UK strikes
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slugboy wrote:
This is in the flesh. http://www.theprincessgracehospital.com/about-us.aspxDarth Vadan™ wrote:
Reference required pleaseslugboy wrote:
It's not far off. Many private healthcare companies are exploring the idea of private emergency on demand service.Not until they have private emergency hospitals, no
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Tx for the link,
If this is on the cards I'm genuinely interested.
Can't find anything about emergency service? What am I missing/ not searching for. -
slugboy wrote:
Well that's walk in emergency treatment. Let me find the other link. It had info re. Private emergency call out etc.Tx for the link,
If this is on the cards I'm genuinely interested.
Can't find anything about emergency service? What am I missing/ not searching for.In India, because medical is private only, if in an emergency you require an ambulance, they'll charge your bill for it. Just some GK there lol.
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slugboy wrote:
I don't understand your argument.Would you like your children and grandchildren to receive substandard education, because no good teacher candidate can be bothered to go into teaching anymore, because it's not worth it?
Are you implying that teachers remuneration packages (pay and pension) are so bad if they were reduced, new and current teachers would become sub standard?
If so, where would all of the people who's vocation is teaching go to get a wage they find acceptable? -
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My sister is a teacher at the moment her pension breaks down like this,she pays in 3% of her annual wage and it's then topped up a further 17% from government and she get the option to retire at 60 and live the dream with that fat pension. But I work in the private sector for a bank I have to work till I'm 68 or 70 to retire at my current level if I pay In a maximum of 3% they match it
From my understanding the government are just bringing people in to line it makes sence, what seems like a pay cut is actually just a restructure that needed to happen these people av been flying below the radar for years on a massivly inflated pension scheme,I feel that they should be thinking well we got away with that for a while and there still not getting a bad deal !
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stewbdoo wrote:
Your whole argument could have been lifted from the daily mail. 50/50 government lapdog/ jealousy.!
'bringing in line'. Some jobs are more difficult. As such deserve a better pension. Working in a bank= piece of piss. Working in a school, operating theatre = difficult.
Words like fat and massively inflated are silly and just show your green eyed monster.
Oh and if bringing in line makes sence, why are the mps pensions (which really are massively inflated) not being touched? -
Room 101 wrote:
I'm not implying anything. It's perfectly and clearly explained to anyone with half a brain.slugboy wrote:
I don't understand your argument.
Are you implying that teachers remuneration packages (pay and pension) are so bad if they were reduced, new and current teachers would become sub standard?
If so, where would all of the people who's vocation is teaching go to get a wage they find acceptable?
Where would they go?
Well my fiancee who is a teacher is already looking elsewhere because of this. -
Darth Vadan™ wrote:
I see private medicine around the world and iv not seen a single scheme that didn't horrify me.slugboy wrote:
Well that's walk in emergency treatment. Let me find the other link. It had info re. Private emergency call out etc.Tx for the link,
If this is on the cards I'm genuinely interested.
Can't find anything about emergency service? What am I missing/ not searching for.In India, because medical is private only, if in an emergency you require an ambulance, they'll charge your bill for it. Just some GK there lol.
GK? -
slugboy wrote:
So in summary, you think public sector workers work so hard and do such difficult jobs that they deserve the conditions (holidays, sickpay etc) and pay (wage, pension) they get now, and not a penny less (even if its better than that of an equivalent private sector position)?Room 101 wrote:
I'm not implying anything. It's perfectly and clearly explained to anyone with half a brain.slugboy wrote:
I don't understand your argument.
Are you implying that teachers remuneration packages (pay and pension) are so bad if they were reduced, new and current teachers would become sub standard?
Where would they go?
Well my fiancee who is a teacher is already looking elsewhere because of this.BTW, your fiancé only does teaching for the money she gets? No altruistic reason?
Also, keep your idle insults to yourself, if you don't mind.
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Anyone out there. If you think my job is so easy for such fucking fantasic rewards.
Why are you not doing my job?
Either you think you can make more money elsewhere. In which case leave me to my descision.
Or. And this is an important or...
You don't want to do my job.
Now if you don't want to do my job that's fine. Most people don't. that's the crux. It requires incentive to get good staff. Remove incentive, remove reason to do crappy job. -
Room 101 wrote:
slugboy wrote:
It wasn't an idle insult. If you couldn't understand that simple sentence you are a bit thick.Room 101 wrote:
I'm not implying anything. It's perfectly and clearly explained to anyone with half a brain.slugboy wrote:
I don't understand your argument.
Are you implying that teachers remuneration packages (pay and pension) are so bad if they were reduced, new and current teachers would become sub standard?
Where would they go?
Well my fiancee who is a teacher is already looking elsewhere because ofBTW, your fiancé only does teaching for the money she gets? No altruistic reason?
Also, keep your idle insults to yourself, if you don't mind.
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slugboy wrote:
General Knowledge.Darth Vadan™ wrote:
I see private medicine around the world and iv not seen a single scheme that didn't horrify me.slugboy wrote:
Well that's walk in emergency treatment. Let me find the other link. It had info re. Private emergency call out etc.Tx for the link,
If this is on the cards I'm genuinely interested.
Can't find anything about emergency service? What am I missing/ not searching for.In India, because medical is private only, if in an emergency you require an ambulance, they'll charge your bill for it. Just some GK there lol.
GK? -
So higher wages and pension so a small minority take up jobs the majority don't?
Let's weigh this up.
1. Private sector salaries in comparison to public are generally higher.
2. Public sector pensions, holiday pay, sick pay in comparison to private are generally higher.
I think the point made of restructuring is a sound point. As inconvenient as the strike was, when you look at the stats it wasn't that big a success. Why should the government be held to ransom because a small group of workers feel they "deserve" more than the rest. And doing it while discussions were going on?
Private sector workers, and this is just based on people I know, have higher outgoings in comparison to public workers. They also have higher tax bands and less support from the government. So what was the point of the strike? Break it down for me as I'm thick.
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I must be thick, as you say Slug.
You say public sector workers have to get the remuneration they get, as there are no jobs in the private sector they can do. Then you say your fiancé is looking for work out of the public sector.
How is that not a nonsense? Please try to clear this up, as my obviously too feeble a mind can't. -
Room 101 wrote:
Ok thicko.I must be thick, as you say Slug.
You say public sector workers have to get the remuneration they get, as there are no jobs in the private sector they can do. Then you say your fiancé is looking for work out of the public sector.
How is that not a nonsense? Please try to clear this up, as my obviously too feeble a mind can't.
When the job you are trained for becomes screwed up beyond recognition, when it ceases to be financially viable, You make the hard descision to have to change career.
Really was that so fucking difficult to work out? I agree, very feeble minded indeed. -
Darth Vadan™ wrote:
You said it yourself. We get paid less, this is balanced by a higher pension.
We deserve what we signed up for. It's not like we are asking for a raise, just to keep what we legally signed up for.
Discussions were not continuing. We got told what was happening and that was it. Government reopened talks when strike came up. Just to say 'how dare you strike, talks are still ongoing' well done for swallowing yet more gov bullshit.
Tax you pay is based on what you earn. So as you said, we earn less, so less tax.... Duh.
Tax credit and benefits are also based on what you earn. Sooooo.... Same point applies.
So if we are to get a smaller pension to 'be in line with private sector'
To really be in line all private sector workers should take a pay cut in order to 'be in line with public sector pay'
You'd soon see strikes then -
Oh, and I'm bored of answering tedious questions posed by massively ill informed players. so I'm not bothering any more.
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slugboy wrote:
Just when we were getting somewhere, too :(Oh, and I'm bored of answering tedious questions posed by massively ill informed players. so I'm not bothering any more.
Or have you ran out of contradictions? -
Slugboy what's with all the unnecessary abuse and confrontation? If you can't engage in a civil discussion like an adult don't bother give any further input. I'm beginning to doubt you're even front line NHS. You seem too naive in your contradictions. Go evaluate your understanding of fiscal policy.
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