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Add swagger wrote:
I would guess they get a bit more than minimum wage. Sooo, 16k a year ish, with overtime?Room 101 wrote:
Not an answer, give me the value of a newly qualified nurse. You may be surprised😉Add swagger wrote:
He or she would not be paid as much as they deserve.How much would you pay a nurse? Newly qualified, just curious.
Bear in mind that nursing staff require a degree or equivalent.
But on the whole, public sector pay is higher than private sector. -
A little input:- some of you see us 'bums' as lazy. It isnt true. I have been unemployed for 1month. I use to do warehouse work. I did 2pm until 6am the next day then i did 5pm until 9pm that same day just too get a decent wage(never happened) i would shovel shit just for my own independance! I hate signing on! But you have too have experience or quals, i currently have neither. I am at college re-doing my gcses too help me get employed...
Please dont paint everyone with the same brush -
FussyJosh wrote:
My direction was at those who have been living the benefit lifestyle for years no questions asked. Apologies if you felt it was towards you. I admire you for the initiate you're taking to improve your chances of employment, that's hard in today's market and not many take that leap of faith. Good luck.A little input:- some of you see us 'bums' as lazy. It isnt true. I have been unemployed for 1month. I use to do warehouse work. I did 2pm until 6am the next day then i did 5pm until 9pm that same day just too get a decent wage(never happened) i would shovel shit just for my own independance! I hate signing on! But you have too have experience or quals, i currently have neither. I am at college re-doing my gcses too help me get employed...
Please dont paint everyone with the same brush -
FussyJosh wrote:
Good for you, after uni and a series of temping jobs it took me 6 months to find work (the job I'm now in). It's good you are being active in making yourself more employable. The best of luck to you in these challenging times.A little input:- some of you see us 'bums' as lazy. It isnt true. I have been unemployed for 1month. I use to do warehouse work. I did 2pm until 6am the next day then i did 5pm until 9pm that same day just too get a decent wage(never happened) i would shovel shit just for my own independance! I hate signing on! But you have too have experience or quals, i currently have neither. I am at college re-doing my gcses too help me get employed...
Please dont paint everyone with the same brush -
this is my 10%.
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Vadan,what's the meaning of life?you seem to know everything
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messrine wrote:
Why are you making the discussion about Vadan? It's not on topic.Vadan,what's the meaning of life?you seem to know everything
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gtg.back to the barricades
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Ʈℍㅌ ʘㄕㅌℝ₳₮ミℝ wrote:
Exactly. And I have no intention of engaging further in your petty game messrine. I'm simply voicing my opinion like the rest of us. You're just voicing your ignorance on freedom of speech. Have a nice day.messrine wrote:
Why are you making the discussion about Vadan? It's not on topic.Vadan,what's the meaning of life?you seem to know everything
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Room 101 wrote:
Lol, you think a graduate is worth so little?Add swagger wrote:
I would guess they get a bit more than minimum wage. Sooo, 16k a year ish, with overtime?Room 101 wrote:
Not an answer, give me the value of a newly qualified nurse. You may be surprised😉Add swagger wrote:
He or she would not be paid as much as they deserve.How much would you pay a nurse? Newly qualified, just curious.
Bear in mind that nursing staff require a degree or equivalent.
But on the whole, public sector pay is higher than private sector. -
More like £25k I thought
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Add swagger wrote:
I think theyre 'worth' more, but they get 'paid' less.Room 101 wrote:
Lol, you think a graduate is worth so little?Add swagger wrote:
I would guess they get a bit more than minimum wage. Sooo, 16k a year ish, with overtime?Room 101 wrote:
Not an answer, give me the value of a newly qualified nurse. You may be surprised😉Add swagger wrote:
He or she would not be paid as much as they deserve.How much would you pay a nurse? Newly qualified, just curious.
Bear in mind that nursing staff require a degree or equivalent.
But on the whole, public sector pay is higher than private sector.
Is the point that the public sector get paid less than the private? Because that's not the case. -
Actually it is, public sector workers with similar qualifications get less.
A new nurse gets 21000 (band 5).
The pay scales are here http://www.rcn.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/372992/004106.pdf
The majority of NHS staff are band 4 or below.
Porters, ward clerks, catering staff, health care assistants and so on.
We work and pay 6% into our pension scheme, if the money isn't in the fund it's due to Robert Maxwell style fiddling by consecutive governments!
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Add swagger wrote:
Was just looking at the pay scale. There's so many levels and bands! Learnt something new.Actually it is, public sector workers with similar qualifications get less.
A new nurse gets 21000 (band 5).
The pay scales are here http://www.rcn.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/372992/004106.pdf
The majority of NHS staff are band 4 or below.
Porters, ward clerks, catering staff, health care assistants and so on.
We work and pay 6% into our pension scheme, if the money isn't in the fund it's due to Robert Maxwell style fiddling by consecutive governments!
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Yeah, there's also a separate one for the gods, I mean doctors.
http://www.nhsemployers.org/Aboutus/Publications/PayCirculars/Documents/Pay%20Circular_MD_1_10.pdf
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Add swagger wrote:
I would pay nurses a fortune. Along with teachers. My recent personal brush with the NHS on behalf of a loved one left me with no illusion of how important and valuable a service this is.How much would you pay a nurse? Newly qualified, just curious.
Bear in mind that nursing staff require a degree or equivalent.
For our government to think of care in terms of profitability is wrong. How do you put a value on care? I would happily pay more on tax to keep frontline NHS going. The over bureaucracy on the other hand and committees and so on can go f*** themselves and let frontline get on with it. That aspect of public sector I take issue with.
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Your wrong Swags. Here's what a
Policy Exchange report said
"Since the start of the recession, the pay premium for the typical public sector worker has increased by around 4 percentage points to 24% (or 43% when pensions are taken into account). When controlling for the differences like age, experience and qualifications, the hourly pay premium for a public sector worker was 8.8% as of December 2010. This almost doubled from 4.3% two years earlier."
The Institute for Fiscal Studies made similar findings, but reported the pay premium to only be around 4% (without taking pensions into account). -
If you don't believe a centre right thinktank, or the IFS, I've got anecdotal evidence that the public sector pays better too.
The job I do can be done within the NHS, for more money, more holidays, and this terrible pension we hear about. It goes up to 8a on the NHS payscale, but I saw an advert for the same job for minimum wage. -
Apparently working for the NHS and seeing detailed information about our workforce is less believable than third party reports.
Believe what you want, you have made your mind up that the public sector is evil and that we're all overpaid fat cats.
We're not, our pay is lower, but our conditions better. That is how consecutive governments have sustained the workforce.
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ϻʀ⋆ɴıcϵ⋆Ǥủʏ 🍀 wrote:
What you talking about?On strikes.
The public sector strike action may be unpopular but most workers have no alternative course of action.
If you are a corgi gas fitter and British Gas give you a 4 year pay freeze, increase your pension contributions and want you to work until your 70. Then you can look for a job with another company that has better pay & benefits.
If you are a teacher or a fire fighter, you have nowhere else to go because the government is the only employer.
of course public sector have somewhere to go,
they can go get a job in private sector if it's so much better, where you currently will not get a pension until your 67 or 68 either -
Coolio wrote:
Nurses can only nurse, odp's can only practice, radiographers are specific to radiology labs. Etc etc. To change to an equivalent private sector career would mean extensive retraining, probably measured in years. Not many families could take that kind of hit to their finances. So they are indeed, pretty much imprisoned in their proffession.ϻʀ⋆ɴıcϵ⋆Ǥủʏ 🍀 wrote:
What you talking about?On strikes.
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of course public sector have somewhere to go,
they can go get a job in private sector if it's so much better, where you currently will not get a pension until your 67 or 68 either -
slugboy wrote:
And that works the same way for the private sector. Less the pension.Coolio wrote:
Nurses can only nurse, odp's can only practice, radiographers are specific to radiology labs. Etc etc. To change to an equivalent private sector career would mean extensive retraining, probably measured in years. Not many families could take that kind of hit to their finances. So they are indeed, pretty much imprisoned in their proffession.ϻʀ⋆ɴıcϵ⋆Ǥủʏ 🍀 wrote:
What you talking about?On strikes.
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of course public sector have somewhere to go,
they can go get a job in private sector if it's so much better, where you currently will not get a pension until your 67 or 68 either -
Nope. Private sector as was said before has numberous companies doing the same work, or similar enough that transfer is possible. I would concede some public sector jobs are transferable. Many are not.
Basically my job does not exist outside the nhs. And the same for others.
So no, it doesn't work the same way. -
slugboy wrote:
So your job doesn't exist in a private healthcare situation?Nope. Private sector as was said before has numberous companies doing the same work, or similar enough that transfer is possible. I would concede some public sector jobs are transferable. Many are not.
Basically my job does not exist outside the nhs. And the same for others.
So no, it doesn't work the same way. -
Not until they have private emergency hospitals, no
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slugboy wrote:
It's not far off. Many private healthcare companies are exploring the idea of private emergency on demand service.Not until they have private emergency hospitals, no
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I don't begrudge 1 penny to our front line services but understand that the books just don't balance.
The reluctance from private sector workers to support strikes is prodominately because their employers have already rewritten contracts & previous goverment raided their pensions. I personally know companies that have levied a 10% pay CUT on employees in an attempt to stem the rate of redunancies. This in no way makes it right, but we all had some benefit from the boom years and now the books need to be balanced.
The government needs to take a serious look at those that abuse the system & the huge army of 'support' staff that sprung up under the Labour regime - outreach officers, diversity coordinators, communications directors, etc. (the kind of jobs that offered the eye-watering salaries!).
The pension issue has been bubbling away for some time. We are all living longer, but I would hate to see our children work until they are 80 so they their teachers can retire at 50/60 on a generous pension scheme!
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Would you like your children and grandchildren to receive substandard education, because no good teacher candidate can be bothered to go into teaching anymore, because it's not worth it?
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Darth Vadan™ wrote:
Reference required pleaseslugboy wrote:
It's not far off. Many private healthcare companies are exploring the idea of private emergency on demand service.Not until they have private emergency hospitals, no
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Sadly, I think the level of education has been dumbed down in this country. This is no way a reflection of the great work our teachers do, but rather a reflection of the targets and pressure forced on them by the government.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking sides here, I just want a future for my kids - but either way I look at it, the future is pretty bleak!
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