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I think it's also perception.
When the general public think public sector they think of a beuracrat pushing a pen, not a nurse or doctor, sometimes not even a teacher.
Slug boy, I get the feeling you do a front line job which is the hardest and most visible kind of job, but would you agree that you have several layers of management? Who aren't frontline and perhaps are not required in such numbers? -
So as you said, with teachers I think there has been a big push to fill the jobs. But there has been a lot of training going on, people from other fields have been relearning how to teach to become teachers, I kid you not, there will be more teachers than teaching positions.
With NHS staff, it does show that there is a skills shortage in the UK, because you are quite right why are there 1.6 million on the dole when they could be filling jobs that are currently being filled by people from abroad, but that is a dangerous touch on immigration policy. -
Firstly, there are loads of people in private sector who work 70+ hours per week. For NO extra pay. Their job just demands it.
Secondly, you talk of social responsibility, but apart from NHS, social services, probation, emergency services, the rest of the public sector is essentially admin.
Thirdly, the private sector may employ more people, but there is not always the 'wealth generation' that the government talks about. Take a supermarket giant. Most of the people they employ are just over minimum wage, yes they are in jobs but how has that created wealth? Plus 90+ don't have that safety net of pension, yada yada yada.
This country has simply turned its back on people's hard work, by dumbing down education in the hope of better grades and improved ofsted ratings, and encouraging people to stay off work and get on benefits.
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Yes, plenty of dead wood up top.
But they should be reduced, not the pension. Different issue (but definitely a real one) -
Also, people talk of social responsibility, but it's the private sector's taxes that that are paying for the public sector's jobs. So even though we may not have a "socially responsible" job, the outcomes of our labour still pay for yours. So please drop the socially responsible argument.
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randombloke wrote:
Why? Because you don't understand it (see your previous comment)Also, people talk of social responsibility, but it's the private sector's taxes that that are paying for the public sector's jobs. So even though we may not have a "socially responsible" job, the outcomes of our labour still pay for yours. So please drop the socially responsible argument.
Go back to watching the news so David Cameron can tell you what your next thought is. -
What's with the insults? I didn't even vote for doll face and don't agree with 90% of his policy.
I may not wipe people's arses all day but I give to charity and do some voluntary work too. I'm private sector. You saying that public sector don't have to do that?
Step back mate. Anyone with a job (or trying for one) in this economic climate gets my respect as its tough. It's the people who refuse to work (probably because of the benefits trap set up by last government) that I have issue with.
I'm just saying its not just the public sector who's having it hard. It's everyone else too. They just dealing with it.
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randombloke wrote:
For someone who doesn't agree with him you sound just like him...What's with the insults? I didn't even vote for doll face and don't agree with 90% of his policy.
I may not wipe people's arses all day but I give to charity and do some voluntary work too. I'm private sector. You saying that public sector don't have to do that?
Step back mate. Anyone with a job (or trying for one) in this economic climate gets my respect as its tough. It's the people who refuse to .
I'm just saying its not just the public sector who's having it hard. It's everyone else too. They just dealing with it.
Over the last 8 years I have seen my job made worse, more difficult, less well paid, all of which I 'dealt' with
And you wonder why I'm now angry that it's one plus point. I'm now being expected to pay more, to get less, to not get for almost another decade? -
But that's my point. It's not just you. It's everyone else too - private sector included. Only difference is the private sector hasn't had the luxury of being able to strike.
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So if it's not just us, why is it our pension being fucked?
Every other measure the gov has introduced to botch together the economy has hit us just as hard. And now we get singled out?
Why Is that fair? -
5% increase in benefits.
I get my pension screwed.
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Nothing to do with fairness. The current pensions are too costly. They must be reduced, simple.
Its not 'fair' that my income has reduced by around 30% the last year, but I'm not blaming sub prime, am I? (aside, yes I am). -
Take it off the bankers. There is no must about my pension, that I signed up for as part of my work contract. You know one of those legally binding contract things.
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Ʈℍㅌ ʘㄕㅌℝ₳₮ミℝ wrote:
There was always a strong push, from labour times, but there was also a lot of unnecessary red tape and tax legislations new business owners had to abide by. Lending has always been an issue, whether it's start-up capital or OD facility.And Vadan there should be a distinction between a small business owner against large corporations, and I'm pretty sure there are some, but I'm no expert on the tax system.
But certianly there used to be a strong push for people to run their own businesses and now the encouragement with bank lending and tax rules it seems harder and harder.And that's exactly my argument with slugboy. Even against the odds new business are starting, struggling and pulling through. Because they put 110% in, and to be honest they're not better off than public sector workers. So he needs to get off his whining band wagon and understand how lucky he is he has a damn job.
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Tell you what. If I decided your house was far to amazing, and that for the good of other houses I should smash out some of the windows 'to put it in line with private sector houses' would you be happy?
No.
You worked hard for your house.
I work hard for my pension.
It's not whining, and I dislike some demonstratably ill informed person trying to say I'm lucky that my future financial safety is being massively eroded. -
And slugboy. I also work a 70-80 hour week, Easter or Christmas, no time and half, I'm not even thinking of state pension, I pay my income tax, NI and CTG. So don't teach me social responsibility, I more than pay my share towards benefits for bums.
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Aparantly I would still need to teach you it, as you still don't understand lol
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slugboy wrote:
No, you just need to stop crying for being better off than 3m unemployed.Aparantly I would still need to teach you it, as you still don't understand lol
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Hay here's an idea, let's put everyone on minimum wage regardless of job, or whether they own a business, then everyone is the same...
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god.forgotten just how dull you are Vadan
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messrine wrote:
Glad to see your opinion is so insightful you waste of space. Tell you what messrine, say something useful or piss off. Is that dull enough you ignorant twat?god.forgotten just how dull you are Vadan
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How much would you pay a nurse? Newly qualified, just curious.
Bear in mind that nursing staff require a degree or equivalent.
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Add swagger wrote:
He or she would not be paid as much as they deserve.How much would you pay a nurse? Newly qualified, just curious.
Bear in mind that nursing staff require a degree or equivalent.
But on the whole, public sector pay is higher than private sector. -
Darth Vadan™ wrote:
When did social responsibility cost anything or be about how much you pay?And slugboy. I also work a 70-80 hour week, Easter or Christmas, no time and half, I'm not even thinking of state pension, I pay my income tax, NI and CTG. So don't teach me social responsibility, I more than pay my share towards benefits for bums.
Not all benefit claimants are bums. Try not to lump everybody into one box, that's the tabloids job. -
Room 101 wrote:
Not an answer, give me the value of a newly qualified nurse. You may be surprised😉Add swagger wrote:
He or she would not be paid as much as they deserve.How much would you pay a nurse? Newly qualified, just curious.
Bear in mind that nursing staff require a degree or equivalent.
But on the whole, public sector pay is higher than private sector. -
Im thinking the reason lots of people joined the public sector was because the best and most secure jobs were based in this part, now we see a government that is happy to hand over the controls of our infrastructure to the private sector but because the incentives aren't there on a ground floor level people arnt interested in going there, better pay and benefits in public sector, at a base level anyway, In order to attract people away from that they are doing away with the incentives, pay rises, pensions ect. See what I mean? They are working towards privatising everything, take away the workforce your effectively shutting down a service without being directly accountable for shutting it down.
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413-479-882 wrote:
You talk a lot of senseIm thinking the reason lots of people joined the public sector was because the best and most secure jobs were based in this part, now we see a government that is happy to hand over the controls of our infrastructure to the private sector but because the incentives aren't there on a ground floor level people arnt interested in going there, better pay and benefits in public sector, at a base level anyway, In order to attract people away from that they are doing away with the incentives, pay rises, pensions ect. See what I mean? They are working towards privatising everything, take away the workforce your effectively shutting down a service without being directly accountable for shutting it down.
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prejudice is a great time saver Vadan,it allows you to have an opinion,without knowing the facts
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413-479-882 wrote:
Didn't mean to sound that way just came out wrong. I have a family member claiming disability so I know how genuinely important benefits are to most.Darth Vadan™ wrote:
When did social responsibility cost anything or be about how much you pay?And slugboy. I also work a 70-80 hour week, Easter or Christmas, no time and half, I'm not even thinking of state pension, I pay my income tax, NI and CTG. So don't teach me social responsibility, I more than pay my share towards benefits for bums.
Not all benefit claimants are bums. Try not to lump everybody into one box, that's the tabloids job. -
messrine wrote:
You never have a valid point of opinion. Everything you donate to a debate is either sarcastic, ignorant or simply unnecessary. As you have clearly proven. It would be justifiable if even 10% of your input was relevant to the discussion.prejudice is a great time saver Vadan,it allows you to have an opinion,without knowing the facts
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