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True but England is more of a push over,our mentality is "come all we'll take you in" and now we are paying for it,look at Australia they don't tolerate it,help the country with a trade/skill or bugger off
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I completely agree that some people seem to think a life on benefits is somehow a 'lifestyle choice', and they should never have to work. That shouldn't be allowed, and certain benefits need to be reduced. But all Georgie Osborn seems to think, is that if he pours enough money into the richest people's pockets, it'll somehow filter through to the rest of society. Why take 5billion out of tax credits, to pay profit making companies to improve infrastructure? Why not cut VAT, or basic rate income tax instead of raiding tax credits and cutting corporation tax? The mans Tory tit, through and through.
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Australia actually started off as an island. Then it was used a for want of a better word 'prison' countries sent there worst criminals there... Too say it was england who started it off we should of followed australia... There independant etc... But we are too soft on rules!
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Room 101 wrote:
It's an attempt to retain these big spenders. I'm not saying its the right way but if you make life too expensive for the people who have enough to live where they want, they'll just upsticks, I think the idea is these people will stay in the UK and invest in companies and spend money in this economy.I completely agree that some people seem to think a life on benefits is somehow a 'lifestyle choice', and they should never have to work. That shouldn't be allowed, and certain benefits need to be reduced. But all Georgie Osborn seems to think, is that if he pours enough money into the richest people's pockets, it'll somehow filter through to the rest of society. Why take 5billion out of tax credits, to pay profit making companies to improve infrastructure? Why not cut VAT, or basic rate income tax instead of raiding tax credits and cutting corporation tax? The mans Tory tit, through and through.
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I'm all up for cutting benefits ect. But the ones that actually need them are suffering to!
I'll take me as an example. I have the disabled living allowance. Blue badge ect ect. They are now considering taking that all off me. Because the new rules say that having one leg doesn't mean you are disabled. So yes, I am going to be monitored. If I can walk more then 5 meters then they'll take it off me.
I'll be honest, if I just take my fake leg off. I could walk 5 meters with crutches. Hell, I could hop it without any help! The problem is I can't bend my leg more then 90 degrees. But that doesn't matter. I'll be wiped clean of the name "disabled".Being harsh on people with benefits will make the ones that need them suffer too.
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Ʈℍㅌ ʘㄕㅌℝ₳₮ミℝ wrote:
The trickle down philosophy never works. The 80's in the USA proved that.Room 101 wrote:
will stay in the UK and invest in companies and spend money in this economy.I completely agree that some people seem to think a life on benefits is somehow a 'lifestyle choice', and they should never have to work. That shouldn't be allowed, and certain benefits need to be reduced. But all Georgie Osborn seems to think, is that if he pours enough money into the richest people's pockets, it'll somehow filter through to the rest of society. Why take 5billion out of tax credits, to pay profit making companies to improve infrastructure? Why not cut VAT, or basic rate income tax instead of raiding tax credits and cutting corporation tax? The mans Tory tit, through and through.
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Superyan wrote:
Same for my friends uncle, he has one arm. They took his benefits off him and said he could be a call centre agent!I'm all up for cutting benefits ect. But the ones that actually need them are suffering to!
I'll take me as an example. I have the disabled living allowance. Blue badge ect ect. They are now considering taking that all off me. Because the new rules say that having one leg doesn't mean you are disabled. So yes, I am going to be monitored. If I can walk more then 5 meters then they'll take it off me.
I'll be honest, if I just take my fake leg off. I could walk 5 meters with crutches. Hell, I could hop it without any help! The problem is I can't bend my leg more then 90 degrees. But that doesn't matter. I'll be wiped clean of the name "disabled".Being harsh on people with benefits will make the ones that need them suffer too.
With one arm! You need two arms to pick-up the phone and another too type/write -
Ʈℍㅌ ʘㄕㅌℝ₳₮ミℝ wrote:
I'm sure that is the idea, and it would make sense to a Cabinet full of privileged millionaires. But if the majority of working and middle class people had more money to spend on the high street, or save for a deposit on a house, our economy would be better off.Room 101 wrote:
It's an attempt to retain these big spenders. I'm not saying its the right way but if you make life too expensive for the people who have enough to live where they want, they'll just upsticks, I think the idea is these people will stay in the UK and invest in companies and spend money in this economy.Why not cut VAT, or basic rate income tax instead of raiding tax credits and cutting corporation tax? The mans Tory tit, through and through.
I don't know about you, but I've noticed my disposable income being eaten into by rising inflation, and burgeoning energy/fuel costs. -
Superyan wrote:
Some people need benefits, some people fleece the system. It's the ones that aren't in 'need' that should have reduced benefits.I'm all up for cutting benefits ect. But the ones that actually need them are suffering to!
I'll take me as an example. I have the disabled living allowance. Blue badge ect ect. They are now considering taking that all off me. Because the new rules say that having one leg doesn't mean you are disabled. So yes, I am going to be monitored. If I can walk more then 5 meters then they'll take it off me.
I'll be honest, if I just take my fake leg off. I could walk 5 meters with crutches. Hell, I could hop it without any help! The problem is I can't bend my leg more then 90 degrees. But that doesn't matter. I'll be wiped clean of the name "disabled".Being harsh on people with benefits will make the ones that need them suffer too.
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Room 101 wrote:
Oh I agree with you, I was just trying to look from the other side. Explain why.Ʈℍㅌ ʘㄕㅌℝ₳₮ミℝ wrote:
I'm sure that is the idea, and it would make sense to a Cabinet full of privileged millionaires. But if the majority of working and middle class people had more money to spend on the high street, or save for a deposit on a house, our economy would be better off.Room 101 wrote:
It's an attempt to retain these big spenders. I'm not saying its the right way but if you h to live where they want, they'll just and spend money in this economy.Why not cut VAT, or basic rate income tax instead of raiding tthrough.
I don't know about you, but I've noticed my disposable income being eaten into by rising inflation, and burgeoning energy/fuel costs. -
FussyJosh wrote:
I know someone's dad. Who helped me through my amputation. That got BOTH of his legs blown off by a land mine while in the army.Superyan wrote:
Same for my friends uncle, he has one arm. They took his benefits off him and said he could be a call centre agent!
With one arm! You need two arms to pick-up the phone and another too type/write
They have took his benefits off him because he can walk 5 meters. I know we are cutting down. That's stupid. He lost both of his legs while protecting the country and now they have punished him. -
Superyan wrote:
Its discusting, the government complain about the strikes, but yet it was ok too let everyone have a day off for the royal wedding?, and its ok too spend billions of tax payers money on the queens birthday next year?FussyJosh wrote:
I know someone's dad. Who helped me through my amputation. That got BOTH of his legs blown off by a land mine while in the army.Superyan wrote:
Same for my friends uncle, he has one arm. They took his benefits off him and said he could be a call centre agent!
With one arm! You need two arms to pick-up the phone and another too type/write
They have took his benefits off him because he can walk 5 meters. I know we are cutting down. That's stupid. He lost both of his legs while protecting the country and now they have punished him. -
I'd love to go round Certain benefit thieves houses and assess them.
"Ok sir... So there's fuck all wrong with your lazy tamp ass... Now here's a lawnmower, go and cut my field!"
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I disagee on 1 part. Further corporation tax cuts are in effort to help small businesses like me. It's welcomed with open arms. However, it should have been specifically for us guys. Put a cap on it. Any business with £1m+ revenue stays at the current rate.
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YOU wrote:
And let's not forget who abolished the 10p tax in the first place. It's easy to jump on the Tory hate wagon when the going gets tough.I disagee on 1 part. Further corporation tax cuts are in effort to help small businesses like me. It's welcomed with open arms. However, it should have been specifically for us guys. Put a cap on it. Any business with £1m+ revenue stays at the current rate.
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As for the royal wedding, the revenue generated far exceeded what it cost. Justifiable expenditure in my opinion. It can't be compared to today's actions.
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On strikes.
The public sector strike action may be unpopular but most workers have no alternative course of action.
If you are a corgi gas fitter and British Gas give you a 4 year pay freeze, increase your pension contributions and want you to work until your 70. Then you can look for a job with another company that has better pay & benefits.
If you are a teacher or a fire fighter, you have nowhere else to go because the government is the only employer. -
I'm in support of the strikes. Especially when it's going to affect me shortly when the government decide to do the same to my job.
They say that all the police cuts will NOT affect frontline policing. Well WRONG cause it already is. Freeze on all pay for two years? increased pension?
Surely starting off on sick pay, benefits etc the main things that us tax payers pay for and see no return.
At least with private sector you get a return for your tax. Education, healthcare, police, fire crews, council services. Main things people rely on and not all of the them are great paid jobs.
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Let's not forget the strikes were due to pension policy and nothing else.
As for yesterday's statement, that's a different debate.
Did the unions consider the impact this will have on revenues for small businesses? No. Did they consider the loss in taxes this will bring? No.
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Darth Vadan™ wrote:
Well from what I saw today the retail trade must have been great, the shops were incrediblyLet's not forget the strikes were due to pension policy and nothing else.
As for yesterday's statement, that's a different debate.
Did the unions consider the impact this will have on revenues for small businesses? No. Did they consider the loss in taxes this will bring? No.
Busy -
SCHOOLS ARE OFF! YAY!!!!
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⚡ Ⓛⓐⓦⓡⓔⓝⓒⓔ ⚡ wrote:
Right in middle of my GCSE mocks!SCHOOLS ARE OFF! YAY!!!!
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Ʈℍㅌ ʘㄕㅌℝ₳₮ミℝ wrote:
And what of the small businesses like newsagents? Who took a big hit on passin trade and travel cards because people were off work? The lunchtime office trade? I know because my parents took a hit today. It's affected more small retailers than people see. Ok, 1 day trade loss is not gonna break the bank but that's not the point. The point is were their losses considered? I doubt it.Darth Vadan™ wrote:
Well from what I saw today the retail trade must have been great, the shops were incrediblyLet's not forget the strikes were due to pension policy and nothing else.
As for yesterday's statement, that's a different debate.
Did the unions consider the impact this will have on revenues for small businesses? No. Did they consider the loss in taxes this will bring? No.
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True. It's been spent elsewhere
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Oh for crying out loud. 90% of workers in the private sector have not had a pay rise in 4 years. Public sector workers get so much annual leave, amazing pension and other subsidies that make up for the lesser sums earned than the private sector. Add to that early retirement (on that cushy pension).
Whilst I feel for those struggling, part of me feels that it was time for the gravy train to end and public sector workers get more 'in line' with hardships of the rest of the working populace.
And then when they don't get what they want they just strike. It's like the spoiled child who throws a tantrum after getting what they want.
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randombloke wrote:
Precisely!Oh for crying out loud. 90% of workers in the private sector have not had a pay rise in 4 years. Public sector workers get so much annual leave, amazing pension and other subsidies that make up for the lesser sums earned than the private sector. Add to that early retirement (on that cushy pension).
Whilst I feel for those struggling, part of me feels that it was time for the gravy train to end and public sector workers get more 'in line' with hardships of the rest of the working populace.
And then when they don't get what they want they just strike. It's like the spoiled child who throws a tantrum after getting what they want.
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Random, your comments are just plain wrong.
We had pay freeze too, on top of pay scale freeze too.
We don't get subsidies you talk of. We just get paid less.
Holiday reflects that we work nights evenings weekends bankholidays (I havnt spent xmas with family in 6 years) nor was I off for the royal wedding. -
Our pension isn't 'amazing' it's good.
You just show you swallowed the anti strike propaganda, well done.. Well done. -
Our last 'pay rise' was before the crash even happened. And was so far below inflation it was in effect a paycut.
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If these unfair changes go ahead, look forward to a future with a shortage of teachers and hospital workers. As people will leave. And less will feel the jobs are worth the effort
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