Health Care Reform. Good or Bad?
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Ok I think it's one of the worst things that has happened to this country in a long time.
1). This is my biggest problem with the bill and it's that Obama and the people in congress don't participate in the same health care they are making us.
2). They are making us accept this bill, under the table deals were made to pass it and it was against the will of the people. Most people didn't want it. (at least Bush let go of the idea after he knew the people didn't want it).
3). If people don't get health care they will be forced to pay a tax. That is wrong because it's against our constitution, if this was a free country we should choose what we want and need. Not the govornment. -
4). This bill is making people rely on the govornment more and more. And this country was founded by some of the best thinkers and invisionaries with the thought of less govornment.
5). This bill makes the doctors work for the govornment and have to treat everyone, this means they get paid govornment money witch will be less than what they are making now... If they have lives on their hands and have stressfull jobs but they still arnt making very much money then what's the motive? Wouldn't you quit and get an easy job that pays more? Makes sense to me.
6). This bill shows that the govornment thought one of the two things... That the people of America are like babies an don't know what thy really want and need. Or... The democrats just wanted to pass the bill to get a victory over the republicans. Because with the majority of America against it what other reason is there? -
This is unconstitutional because we are suposed to have less govornment power and more power to the people. It's worked well so far too so why are they shoving something down our throuts that we don't want it isn't right and it isn't what America is or ever has been about, at least until Obama. It also shows communism characteristics because in a communist country everyone is equal exept the leaders. What Obama is doing is make the people have the same obamacare but him and his congress friends will have something else. My two questions are...
Why do you think us people are so stupid and can't think for ourselves?
And...
If this health care is so great why don't you use it?
Please post telling me if you agree and disagree. That's all you need to say but if you have more to say please post only once with all your points on it, to keep this organized, thanks!
-TBock -
1). Very minor point and unrelated to the bill. The health care bill doesn't regulate what health care you receive, only that you have insurance and that if you can't afford insurance that it will be provided to you.
2). That's how government works and how it's broken. This point isn't related to health care but a messed up government in general.
3). The government currently pays an enormous amount into the health care system because of uninsured people. This is a first step and an immediate way to reduce government spending. Taxes are mostly illegal as it is but the government isn't getting out of your pocket just because you wish they would. You are still free to choose whatever health care plan you wish you are just no longer free to let the tax payer foot the bill when you go to the emergency room.
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4). I'm not sure why it matters what they believed or wanted. We're the ones alive now. Fuck them.
5). This isn't socialized health care. It's just requiring people to get health insurance the same way they're required to get car insurance except it's also providing that opportunity to people who can't afford it. Like many working class Americans.
6). We are like babies. If we were like adults we'd all have fucking health insurance.
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Ok so let's get this strait... You think that the way the govornment works is by not listening to the people? Are you from Russia? China? Then you say fuck our founding fathers... Your an ass hole. Then you say that americans are like babies, that's sort of degrading to yourself too... Are you depressed? Brown Note said it best: This is bound to fail and that's why the govornment officials are staying out of it and have their own form of health care. Witch is wrong, it's like nukeing america and the govornment officials get a bunker as the people have to live through it.
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T Bock wrote:
T Bock the Founding Fathers were slave owners. Even Abraham Lincoln held what would be considered extremely racist views. Perhaps these were great men for their time, but not for ours. Your logic could also be used to suggest that non-whites shouldn't have the voteOk so let's get this strait... You think that the way the govornment works is by not listening to the people? Are you from Russia? China? Then you say fuck our founding fathers... Your an ass hole. Then you say that americans are like babies, that's sort of degrading to yourself too... Are you depressed? Brown Note said it best: This is bound to fail and that's why the govornment officials are staying out of it and have their own form of health care. Witch is wrong, it's like nukeing america and the govornment officials get a bunker as the people have to live through it.
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Well if America wasn't so stubborn and if they just accepted a totally socialized healthcare system, then healthcare, in the sense of doc visits, prescriptions, aids, etc. Would be free, it would just result in an addition of tax. Man Up America.
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The health bill Is faggetish..that sums it up for the people with paragragh comments😄
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Yes i agree. Faggotish sums up everything all of u said👷🔫
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I qualify to be at poverty level and have unpaid medical bills. I really don't like this bill.
I find the idea of people being forced into buying insurance for existing is wrong. I don't want to benefit like that
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The health care bill was forced on the people by the liberal hand. And people wonder why i vote republican...
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T Bock wrote:
Ok so let's get this strait... You think that the way the govornment works is by not listening to the people? Are you from Russia? China? Then you say fuck our founding fathers... Your an ass hole. Then you say that americans are like babies, that's sort of degrading to yourself too... Are you depressed? Brown Note said it best: This is bound to fail and that's why the govornment officials are staying out of it and have their own form of health care. Witch is wrong, it's like nukeing america and the govornment officials get a bunker as the people have to live through it.
I think the government doesn't listen to the people, yes. Isn't that exactly what you're complaining about? I say the founding fathers are dead and the Constitution is living document that is meant to serve us, not their memory. I say that it's childish to have to be forced to act like an adult.
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The congress and other branches of the government use private health care providers. The same health care that's available to not only every other federal employee but you as well. I understand that Blue Cross is the most popular provider in congress.
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Unmaker wrote:
I qualify to be at poverty level and have unpaid medical bills. I really don't like this bill.
I find the idea of people being forced into buying insurance for existing is wrong. I don't want to benefit like that
Your unpaid medical bills are paid by the tax payer. The hospital you didn't pay will be reimbursed by the government as a loss. If you had health insurance then those bills would be covered by your provider instead and it's far cheaper for the government to pay for your insurance then it is to pay for your unpaid bills.
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Being from MA. a state that requires health care it's killing our state's budget.
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Scroobius Pip wrote:
Dude that's just how things were back then and how life was... And it's not like saying non-whites shouldn't vote. Do you dissagree and think our founding fathers who wrote or constitution and the bill of rights and the declaration of independance were stupid? Because that's the point I was making... Also the fact that people had slaves doesn't make them stupid... That's like saying in a few hundred years that we are all stupid for having pets. Also you should see where this conversation originated from (me first posts) because your way off topic bringing up slavery.T Bock wrote:
T Bock the Founding Fathers were slave owners. Even Abraham Lincoln held what would be considered extremely racist views. Perhaps these were great men for their time, but not for ours. Your logic could also be used to suggest that non-whites shouldn't have the vote -
🔱Bart🔱 (Add Bart) wrote:
Yes. Also socialism is a step towards communism... It's happened to other countries and if we socialize health care then it will continue to snowball and soon the govornment will be socializing everything.Well if America wasn't so stubborn and if they just accepted a totally socialized healthcare system, then healthcare, in the sense of doc visits, prescriptions, aids, etc. Would be free, it would just result in an addition of tax. Man Up America.
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Didn't Obama say he was going to do this before the election? People still voted for him which must mean there are a lot of people out there who are for this.
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j punchclock wrote:
Where the hell do you get your facts from?The majority of Americans were and still are for health care reform. This should stabilize or reduce insurance costs, which without intervention would have kept rising. HCR certainly has it's flaws, but it's a step in the right direction. There was a time in this country when health insurance was a not-for-profit industry, but unfortunately there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. And don't tell me that profit drives innovation. The insurance industry doesn't heal the sick, doctors and nurses do.
-Majority of Americans are for the bill.
-Step in the right direction Do you mean socialism?
-Also you say that profit doesn't drive innovation...if doctors don't get paid their good salarys then tell me why they would go to school for the 8 years when they could do 4 and get a higher paying job with less stress. And without doctors how will anything get done? -
We in the UK have the NHS and it works great, and I don't think we're communists
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T Bock wrote:
🔱Bart🔱 (Add Bart) wrote:
Yes. Also socialism is a step towards communism... It's happened to other countries and if we socialize health care then it will continue to snowball and soon the govornment will be socializing everything.Well if America wasn't so stubborn and if they just accepted a totally socialized healthcare system, then healthcare, in the sense of doc visits, prescriptions, aids, etc. Would be free, it would just result in an addition of tax. Man Up America.
Socialism does not lead to communism.... On the ideological scale yes, it is a step "towards" communism, but to assume that having a few social services implemented would make a nation vulnerable to communism is a little bit of fear-mongering no?
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president nixon wrote:
Unmaker wrote:
I qualify to be at poverty level and have unpaid medical bills. I really don't like this bill.
I find the idea of people being forced into buying insurance for existing is wrong. I don't want to benefit like that
Your unpaid medical bills are paid by the tax payer. The hospital you didn't pay will be reimbursed by the government as a loss. If you had health insurance then those bills would be covered by your provider instead and it's far cheaper for the government to pay for your insurance then it is to pay for your unpaid bills.
I'd love if the state to state barrier on buying insurance was taken down. Give me a subsidy to chose my own insurance and require me to pay for some of it.
As things stand now it's confusing as hell to buy insurance as an individual
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president nixon wrote:
RESPONSE TO NIXON AND HIS HATRED TO OUR FOUNDING FATHERS:::T Bock wrote:
Yes that's what I'm complaining about but that's not how it's supposed to and for some reason you think it's ok.
Then the constitution was created by their idea of a free country and they are the ones who made this country what it is... And to say fuck you to them that makes you an ass hole. Here's an example... Have you ever had a family member die? Well fuck them cause they arnt here anymore!! They can go to hell!
And why not act like an adult if that's what you are? Do you not like it? Do you like trying to be something your not? A kid... And when your country is on it's way to socialism you still want to act childish. How about you go fingerpaint and stay out of this conversation. It will be more fufilling for you. -
Scroobius Pip wrote:
Abraham Lincoln wasn't a founding father. Haha wow idiot! And lincoln obviously wasn't too racist because he freed them.T Bock wrote:
T Bock the Founding Fathers were slave owners. Even Abraham Lincoln held what would be considered extremely racist views. Perhaps these were great men for their time, but not for ours. Your logic could also be used to suggest that non-whites shouldn't have the vote -
Johnny O wrote:
Here's some of the first of the many effects as a result of health care reform.Being from MA. a state that requires health care it's killing our state's budget.
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I still don't think you Americans don't realise we had te same thing and it's worked out great
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RPL wrote:
Once you get into socialism and start passing bill it will just continue to grow and grow. I'm saying that if the people continue to allow this to happen then we are all introuble.T Bock wrote:
🔱Bart🔱 (Add Bart) wrote:
Yes. Also socialism is a step towards communism... It's happened to other countries and if we socialize health care then it will continue to snowball and soon the govornment will be socializing everything.Socialism does not lead to communism.... On the ideological scale yes, it is a step "towards" communism, but to assume that having a few social services implemented would make a nation vulnerable to communism is a little bit of fear-mongering no?
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howard wrote:
dude I don't care how things work in your little backwards island so go eat some blood pudding or something.I still don't think you Americans don't realise we had te same thing and it's worked out great
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howard wrote:
No but your controlling it... I'm saying that if we continue to let these socialist programs take I've soon our whole govornment will turn that way and from there we become communist... And after that a dictatorship. Happend before to other countries. In europe too, so you would know about it.We in the UK have the NHS and it works great, and I don't think we're communists
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If the slope to communism is so slippery why didn't we slide down it after those secret commies started a non-profit standing military? Why hasn't the socialist public school system created a one world government? Why didn't medicare or social security come with an oath to the Czar?
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