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It's like the on-going debate in UK. Should criminals in prison be allowed to vote? In a nutshell, NO. If they can't live their lives honestly and civilised amongst society why should they be allowed a choice in how the nation functions? There's so much political and humanitarian bullshit and red tape now that these governments have forgotten what justice is.
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VADAN wrote:
What is justice to you? A system that ignores that criminals have families, friends, etc., that could be just as distraught that this person committed a crime; that ignores that criminals are people who made mistakes, albeit bigger mistakes than most people ever make? Doesn't sound like justice to me. Personally this is why I like what the Bible says about heaven, hell and judgement, but I don't want to sound preachy so I'll just leave it at thatIt's like the on-going debate in UK. Should criminals in prison be allowed to vote? In a nutshell, NO. If they can't live their lives honestly and civilised amongst society why should they be allowed a choice in how the nation functions? There's so much political and humanitarian bullshit and red tape now that these governments have forgotten what justice is.
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I have no moral objection to death penalty though it's far costlier to kill a criminal than to send him to prison for life. plus then u don't risk killing an innocent.
it's seems at first glance to be counterintuitive that it's cheaper to just throw them in prison but the appellate process is cumbersome and very costly.
why? because our American system of justice us built on the idea that it's better to let many guilty free than to risk convicting an innocent.
which is also why Casey Anthony will likely walk free this week even though she may indeed be guilty of murder.
so... my bottom line is that the death penalty is so cumbersome and costly for society, that it's more practical and efficient to not pursue.
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GRANE wrote:
Yeah I'd take the death penalty over life in prison if the choice was given to me. That ain't living.CRIM⇪NAL wrote:
Exactly, let them suffer in prisonDeath penalty is an easy way out for real criminals.
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@ryan. Murdering someone in cold blood, rape and peadophilia is NOT a mistake. These people are very aware of their actions and they should face severe penalties period.
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YOU wrote:
N I ain't saying rapists n peados should face death. But it should be an option for extreme crimes.@ryan. Murdering someone in cold blood, rape and peadophilia is NOT a mistake. These people are very aware of their actions and they should face severe penalties period.
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Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot!!
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Leprechaun wrote:
Prisons in Britian are like holiday camps!!GRANE wrote:
Yeah I'd take the death penalty over life in prison if the choice was given to me. That ain't living.CRIM⇪NAL wrote:
Exactly, let them suffer in prisonDeath penalty is an easy way out for real criminals.
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GOD~of~WAR wrote:
Peepers wrote:
But we also aren't paying for them.Wrong. But only because it's an easy way out. They can't pay for what they did if they're dead.
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I believe the victims and their families have the more important right to justice. Teks plan sounds good. Let the victims have a little power back on their lives
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VADAN wrote:
Mistakes and accidents are not the same thing. Someone is mistaken if they think committing those crimes is better than whatever situation they are in, and there should be penalties and consequences in place when that happens. Making those mistakes doesn't make you less of a person though. You are still entitled to the opportunity to change.@ryan. Murdering someone in cold blood, rape and peadophilia is NOT a mistake. These people are very aware of their actions and they should face severe penalties period.
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Granted, most prisons are probably too cushy, but I guess I would rather have that than have them subjected to some sick scientist's experiments, which is what we used to do. I just don't see the whole eye for an eye argument extending throughout the whole justice system very well, so why implement it only in the worst circumstances?
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bee ryan wrote:
Where's my friends opportunity to live!!! In my opinion his killer lost all entitlement to change, and if I was kill her then change does that make it ok!?VADAN wrote:
Mistakes and accidents are not the same thing. Someone is mistaken if they think committing those crimes is better than whatever situation they are in, and there should be penalties and consequences in place when that happens. Making those mistakes doesn't make you less of a person though. You are still entitled to the opportunity to change.@ryan. Murdering someone in cold blood, rape and peadophilia is NOT a mistake. These people are very aware of their actions and they should face severe penalties period.
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bee ryan wrote:
If you steal from someone you have the chance to repay that debt, if their dead you don't, for this reason I believe death penalty is the answer, but only for murderers! It's fair!!Granted, most prisons are probably too cushy, but I guess I would rather have that than have them subjected to some sick scientist's experiments, which is what we used to do. I just don't see the whole eye for an eye argument extending throughout the whole justice system very well, so why implement it only in the worst circumstances?
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🇬🇧👊RAGINGBULL👊🇬🇧 wrote:
Agreed!!bee ryan wrote:
If you steal from someone you have the chance to repay that debt, if their dead you don't, for this reason I believe death penalty is the answer, but only for murderers! It's fair!!Granted, most prisons are probably too cushy, but I guess I would rather have that than have them subjected to some sick scientist's experiments, which is what we used to do. I just don't see the whole eye for an eye argument extending throughout the whole justice system very well, so why implement it only in the worst circumstances?
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If it's a murderer the next of king should decide the fate of the killer same for rape then people would actually feel justice is done
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Well would say if they shot someone in the head then shoot them in the head if they tortured someone they do the same and so on
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We live in a civilised society people! The argument for killing people in a manner decided by the victims family is totally wrong. A magistrate or judge handing down a sentence is working on behalf of the families of the victims without the emotional issues clouding his/her judgement. The legal system is there to sentence people fairly with a view to reform, if someone nicked my iPhone I would want to hang them by their bollox for a week whilst playing hide the rolling pin up their arse..... It's not going to happen as its not fair people make mistakes, if they are inherently evil they will never be released. The life vs money debate is rediciulous, we dont negotiate with terrorists and so we shall not put a price on punishing a criminal.
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A judge and jury should definatly decide which punishment to hand out, not the families, but 1st degree murder deserves the highest punishment, which in my opinion is death. Victims can't continue with their life because their dead, why should the a person who knowingly caused this continue with their life. If not death atleast make a life sentence mean what it says!!!
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Well I only know about US prison by TV so it's not likely to be accurate but UK prison though grim in that it is a prison is still sometimes an easy option.
If you go to prison you are tainted for life whenever you go for a job etc. So it helps encourage you to reoffend as you have a harder time once out. And since you will have been in a dry comfortable habitat with 3 square meals and a chance to learn new things or go to the gym or watch some tv, if you come out and can't get these things what is the easy option?
No one wants to go to a prison in thailand, that is a prison, it's somewhere you'll do anything to avoid, and if you have been will NEVER want to go back. -
Bring back the chain gang!!
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In Romans, which is within the bible, it states "if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain"
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Rialdo Capadona wrote:
👍In Romans, which is within the bible, it states "if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain"
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The death penalty is needed
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I think the failing of our culture is that the focus is on punishment; however, the victims of the crimes rarely recieve counciling or psychological services, help, or aide, any financial support in absence of a provider or any post trauma support. This can be observed in multitudes in this country (US). People are willing to pay for punishments, life time imprisonment, capital punishment (murder), wars, ect. Other concerns like medicine or human aide are voted down every year. Unfortunately, revenge is a crude basic instinct. Generosity requires faith in others and a belief in positive action as a way to make progress.
Our culture is real big into punishment. Hell, that is almost like a sport in that the media cashes in on it. Our culture fails at compassion, empathy, and rarely goes beyond sympathy.
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🔥⌖ Renegade ⌖🔥 wrote:
That's true and I get your point, but I guess I should've added that most of the time depending on the crime, other prisoners "punish" them, ... Hopefully.GRANE wrote:
Sorry Grane, when it's a fact that many prisoners have free access cable and are gauranteed 3 squares a day while families are scraping by and paying higher and higher taxes to support these practices I disagree with giving these nice long sentences. When the gov't does what they should do and give them nice (maybe) painted cinderblock walls and a bucket to relieve themselves in that gets cleaned once a day then maybe I'll change my mind.CRIM⇪NAL wrote:
Exactly, let them suffer in prisonDeath penalty is an easy way out for real criminals.
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GRANE wrote:
Three of my uncles were wardens at top prisons in America. My grandfather was also a warden. The cable and such are amenities to keep prisoners occupied and calm. Prisons are incredibly over-populated and underfunded. It is extremely dangerous to not provide ways to occupy their time and provide peace. Remember, prisons are primarily supposed to be a place where criminals can reform their lives. This is why education programs, therapy, and other programs are essential.🔥⌖ Renegade ⌖🔥 wrote:
That's true and I get your point, but I... Hopefully.GRANE wrote:
Sorry Grane...CRIM⇪NAL wrote:
Exactly, let them suffer in prisonDeath penalty is an easy way out for real criminals.
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Mr. Ikslopot wrote:
Thank you for doing a better job at voicing my emotions and thoughts than I did. Please don't ever leave the forums. You are a great voice of reason and logic, with the occasional rap or horror story!I think the failing of our culture is that the focus is on punishment; however, the victims of the crimes rarely recieve counciling or psychological services, help, or aide, any financial support in absence of a provider or any post trauma support. This can be observed in multitudes in this country (US). People are willing to pay for punishments, life time imprisonment, capital punishment (murder), wars, ect. Other concerns like medicine or human aide are voted down every year. Unfortunately, revenge is a crude basic instinct. Generosity requires faith in others and a belief in positive action as a way to make progress.
Our culture fails at compassion, empathy, and rarely goes beyond sympathy.
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🐱 mama tek wrote:
FUCK YES!!!I think if we're going to kill killers, we need to bring back public executions and stoning. and the jurors and prosecutors and family members can be given a bunch of rocks and do their thing. at close spattering range. the blood and tissue should be on the hands (and also faces, dribbling) of those seeking justice and the peers that issue the sentence. otherwise i see it as "trading crime for crime." If I were looking at a life sentence, no parole, in a system where you're kept alive until you're killed, I would probably do the deed myself. as escapism is always a quick fix to endless imprisonment.
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BRITFURY™ wrote:
Very good point, a punishment delt in anger will eventually lead to regret. The individuals on both sides may or may not feel the burden of there crime or decisions straight away but late at night, just before you get to sleep thet feeling of remorse will kick in and that's something you can't hide from and that's why the courts should be the ones to decide punishments.We live in a civilised society people! The argument for killing people in a manner decided by the victims family is totally wrong. A magistrate or judge handing down a sentence is working on behalf of the families of the victims without the emotional issues clouding his/her judgement. The legal system is there to sentence people fairly with a view to reform, if someone nicked my iPhone I would want to hang them by their bollox for a week. It's not going to happen as its not fair people make mistakes, if they are inherently evil they will never be released.
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