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And even in self defense, my intention is never to kill. Only to deter. If deterrence does not work, then acting with reason, I will use the minimal level of force necessary to put a halt to any aggression.
I've never had to shoot anyone, but I did fire a warning shot once.
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And the background checks are not simple. They are quite comprehensive.
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ChainsawCharlie wrote:
And that's fantastic. But the with the amount of stupid people in America, that's not always the case. You know it as well as I doAnd even in self defense, my intention is never to kill. Only to deter. If deterrence does not work, then acting with reason, I will use the minimal level of force necessary to put a halt to any aggression.
I've never had to shoot anyone, but I did fire a warning shot once.
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In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with a type of firearm not specified.[37] Due to the lethal potential that a gun brings to a situation, the likelihood that a death will result is significantly increased when either the victim or the attacker has a firearm.[38] The mortality rate for gunshot wounds to the heart is 84%, compared to 30% for people who sustain stab wounds to the heart.[39]
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Ok. I thinks it's obvious you've become conditioned to believe it's an absolute nessesity to own firearms to be 'safe'. Which it may very well be living in a society flooded with guns. Doesn't mean that's the best way for things to be, and for you pro gun guys to be unable to even consider that its not. That's just odd.
Just for the record, I used to work at a clay pidgin club, and enjoyed having a few rounds. But handguns all round? No thanks. -
I think the problem is handguns. If handguns magically disappeared crime rates would drop. It's easy to conceal a handgun then whip it out at your destination. Not so easy to conceal a shotgun or rifle.
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Kozy wrote:
Nobody uses handguns for hunting. There ya go charlie. You own a handgun, you have the intention.I think the problem is handguns. If handguns magically disappeared crime rates would drop. It's easy to conceal a handgun then whip it out at your destination. Not so easy to conceal a shotgun or rifle.
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ripd wrote:
Ever go pig hunting and that little motherfather springs up a little pissed?!!!! Guess what you reach for in that situation....Kozy wrote:
Nobody uses handguns for hunting. There ya go charlie. You own a handgun, you have the intention.I think the problem is handguns. If handguns magically disappeared crime rates would drop. It's easy to conceal a handgun then whip it out at your destination. Not so easy to conceal a shotgun or rifle.
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like a ballerina THUMP THUMP THUMP
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Ο u 8 | 2 wrote:
Yes because all the handguns you see are used for that. Cmon man that doesn't even make up a percent of what the guns even used for. Be realistic.ripd wrote:
Ever go pig hunting and that little motherfather springs up a little pissed?!!!! Guess what you reach for in that situation....Kozy wrote:
Nobody uses handguns for hunting. There ya go charlie. You own a handgun, you have the intention.I think the problem is handguns. If handguns magically disappeared crime rates would drop. It's easy to conceal a handgun then whip it out at your destination. Not so easy to conceal a shotgun or rifle.
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ripd wrote:
Why do people always assume inflicting a gunshot wound is the same as killing someone?You don't buy a nail gun to kill someone. You buy a nail gun to do handi work or whatever.
When you buy a gun, you either have the intention to kill someone, or intention to kill someone down the road in self defense. No matter how you word it, guns have no other purpose. Your not gonna take apart your glock and use it as a makeshift pipe or any of that shit. It is a gun, and people use it as such
I was taught that it was OK to shoot first and ask questions later, but be damn sure they don't die.
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I'm from the UK and I think it's a little difficult for me or anyone from the UK to see the gun ownership in quite the same way.
It's good for us that guns have never been that easy to get hold of and long may it continue. But when you talk about the US the cat is out the bag too Many people have guns, you can't just stop people having them, it's done now, a change like that would never work.
Plus in the US you actually have wildlife that can kill you, if not your fellow gun wielding human. It's just too late to stop gun ownership now. -
My point was handguns are used by hunters. My problem with the opposition is that everytime you don't agree with something or because "x" may happen you want to take it away. Well I say F that and if you are anti whatever then just don't buy them, be around them, or what have you. Don't stand on the soap box and try and tell me what my rights should be based on your opinion. Like it or not gun ownership in America is our RIGHT and no one is forcing you to buy one so leave me alone already. Next thing you know They will make all roads one way streets to avoid head on collisions because any idiot age 16 or higher can get a liscense and potentially kill me with their death machine.
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Kozy wrote:
Crime happens with or without handguns. In fact, I'd prefer it if my target wasn't armed. I don't have a gun because I might have to go against another gun. I have a gun to project force against a person or animal that means harm to me or those around me. Handguns are a much better close in weapon choice than a rifle or shotgun. I can get at it and maneuver in small spaces like the cab of a car, I can fire one-handed, and I can have it with me and still keep my hands free.I think the problem is handguns. If handguns magically disappeared crime rates would drop. It's easy to conceal a handgun then whip it out at your destination. Not so easy to conceal a shotgun or rifle.
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Ο u 8 | 2 wrote:
Well actually they kinda do that already. Divided highways once it gets more traffic. Or if there is a certain highway with an unusually high rate of collision they divid it. At least where I grew up.My point was handguns are used by hunters. My problem with the opposition is that everytime you don't agree with something or because "x" may happen you want to take it away. Well I say F that and if you are anti whatever then just don't buy them, be around them, or what have you. Don't stand on the soap box and try and tell me what my rights should be based on your opinion. Like it or not gun ownership in America is our RIGHT and no one is forcing you to buy one so leave me alone already. Next thing you know They will make all roads one way streets to avoid head on collisions because any idiot age 16 or higher can get a liscense and potentially kill me with their death machine.
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ripd wrote:
If stupid people is your arguement, you have no argument.And that's fantastic. But the with the amount of stupid people in America, that's not always the case. You know it as well as I do
Stupid people beat each other to death with bats. They drown each other. They strangle each other. They poison each other. The list goes on.
Stupid people's childre drown in unattended bathtubs and swimming pools. Stupid people let vicious angry dogs kill their babies. Stupid people's children die in locked automobiles.
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bazboffer wrote:
You say conditioned, I say educated.Ok. I thinks it's obvious you've become conditioned....
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
I know when a handgun is better then a shotgun or rifle. And I'm not saying crime would cease to exist it there were no handguns. I am just saying that if there wasn't handguns, then gun violence would drop. The reason most gun violence happens with handguns is because of the very reasons you stated. You can't ignore the fact that most gun related crimes are from handguns.Kozy wrote:
Crime happens with or without handguns. In fact, I'd prefer it if my target wasn't armed. I don't have a gun because I might have to go against another gun. I have a gun to project force against a person or animal that means harm to me or those around me. Handguns are a much better close in weapon choice than a rifle or shotgun. I can get at it and maneuver in small spaces like the cab of a car, I can fire one-handed, and I can have it with me and still keep my hands free. -
Kozy wrote:
I think the problem is handguns. If handguns magically disappeared crime rates would drop. It's easy to conceal a handgun then whip it out at your destination. Not so easy to conceal a shotgun or rifle.
I think crime rates would increase.
Explain the following numbers...why does a country that outlaws guns have a higher total crime rate than a country WITH armed citizens?
TOTAL CRIMES PER CAPITA
# 8 United Kingdom: 1.57433 per 1,000 people
# 11 United States: 1.38527 per 1,000 peopleKeep in mind, that since this is TOTAL crimes, gun crimes are included.
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Ο u 8 | 2 wrote:
ripd wrote:
Ever go pig hunting and that little motherfather springs up a little pissed?!!!! Guess what you reach for in that situation....Kozy wrote:
Nobody uses handguns for hunting. There ya go charlie. You own a handgun, you have the intention.I think the problem is handguns. If handguns magically disappeared crime rates would drop. It's easy to conceal a handgun then whip it out at your destination. Not so easy to conceal a shotgun or rifle.
Damn straight. Pig hunting here is up close and personal. A lot of hunters even use knives.
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ChainsawCharlie wrote:
Ya I meant violent crimes with guns would drop. But total crimes is so broad. What is included in total crimes? Two people get in a bar fight and punch each other and cops get called, does that go under crimes? If someone gets charged with assault? Also someone already stated that in the UK you can't legally prevent burglars or you get prosecuted or something. In the USA you can still defend house and home so it's not quite the same.Kozy wrote:
I think crime rates would increase.
Explain the following numbers...why does a country that outlaws guns have a higher total crime rate than a country WITH armed citizens?
TOTAL CRIMES PER CAPITA
# 8 United Kingdom: 1.57433 per 1,000 people
# 11 United States: 1.38527 per 1,000 peopleKeep in mind, that since this is TOTAL crimes, gun crimes are included.
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Charlie, it's very probable that gun ownership prevents some crimes. But the number of deadly crimes increase. Total crime reduced, murders increased.
If a vaccine for the common cold were to be discovered, but it resulted in many more deaths than the cold caused, no one would want it. A reduction in overall illness, but an increase in overall fatalities. Its not defensible, when looked at subjectively. -
I'd like to see a breakdown on "murders".
How many of them were scum sucking dirt bags playing with guns and engaging in criminal behavior. Huh? 2 rival gang members kill each other...that counts as two murders. Taking away the guns won't stop them from killing each other.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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It's too late for America, there are to many guns available. If you outlaw guns you could buy them for a dollar on the black market. It's 2011. Not wild west days. I say we just pull the plug and USA should stop all inbound and outband passengers, 50 years we can go and have a look see how many people are still alive!
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ChainsawCharlie wrote:
9000 dead 'scum' a year, it's not likely all were. Taking away the guns might not stop the gang murders, but you can't have a shootout in a diner with knives, or do a driveby with baseball bats.I'd like to see a breakdown on "murders".
How many of them were scum sucking dirt bags playing with guns and engaging in criminal behavior. Huh? 2 rival gang members kill each other...that counts as two murders. Taking away the guns won't stop them from killing each other.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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ChainsawCharlie wrote:
My arguement is having such loose gun laws in the presence of stupid people. My opinion isn't trying to take your guns away. I'd rather see laws tighten up. It makes no difference to me, I'm Canadian.ripd wrote:
If stupid people is your arguement, you have no argument.And that's fantastic. But the with the amount of stupid people in America, that's not always the case. You know it as well as I do
Stupid people beat each other to death with bats. They drown each other. They strangle each other. They poison each other. The list goes on.
Stupid people's childre drown in unattended bathtubs and swimming pools. Stupid people let vicious angry dogs kill their babies. Stupid people's children die in locked automobiles.
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! !Add AE & ONE wrote:
Lmao! It's not US citizens that are trying to escape, anyway. The problem we have is with people sneaking into our country.It's too late for America, there are to many guns available. If you outlaw guns you could buy them for a dollar on the black market. It's 2011. Not wild west days. I say we just pull the plug and USA should stop all inbound and outband passengers, 50 years we can go and have a look see how many people are still alive!
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As I've stated in several other threads, I own a gun. If someone breaks into my house, I am prepared to shoot & kill them. I will not allow them to potentially rape &/or murder me, as long as I can help it. As a woman, I need something with range. It is unlikely I could win against them, even if they only had their bare hands. Therefore, they should never get close enough to be able to touch me. If their intention was simply theft, that is still on them; they should not be breaking into my house.
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Mystery wrote:
I hear in Texas, sometimes the police will reimburse you for the ammo you used. Is that true?As I've stated in several other threads, I own a gun. If someone breaks into my house, I am prepared to shoot & kill them. I will not allow them to potentially rape &/or murder me, as long as I can help it. As a woman, I need something with range. It is unlikely I could win against them, even if they only had their bare hands. Therefore, they should never get close enough to be able to touch me. If their intention was simply theft, that is still on them; they should not be breaking into my house.
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Granted, I think people should have to get a license to be allowed to have children; maybe then there would be less abuse & neglect.
Once again people, it's the right to "bear arms," not "bare arms 💪."
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