Arizona Shooting 😱
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Lovely touch to add to my previous post.Recently, an al-queda friendly publication featured an article about how to use a truck or SUV to run down crowds of people.
Ooooo, scary! We better crack down on truck and SUV owners. What if someone stole a truck or SUV for this purpose? Sure the person that bought it legally never hurt anyone, but if it could fall into enemy hands.... No, no, no. We need waiting periods, ATF licensing, fingerprinting, fees, purchasing limitations and justification before anyone can own a truck.
If that's too inconvenient for you, then too f'in bad.
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juggle0 wrote:
BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Lovely touch to add to my previous post.Recently, an al-queda friendly publication featured an article about how to use a truck or SUV to run down crowds of people.
Ooooo, scary! We better crack down on truck and SUV owners. What if someone stole a truck or SUV for this purpose? Sure the person that bought it legally never hurt anyone, but if it could fall into enemy hands.... No, no, no. We need waiting periods, ATF licensing, fingerprinting, fees, purchasing limitations and justification before anyone can own a truck.
If that's too inconvenient for you, then too f'in bad.
Drunks commit this abysmal and odious act every day.
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I will also add:
Nothing can be resolved over night. Things take time. If guns were banned in the US there would be an increase in illegal gun ownership and the black market, that would be inevitable. However the government would have to pledge more time and money to ridding the guns, like they have here.
I am less likely to be burgled or mugged at gun point in the UK, simply because idiots and psychos cannot generally get hold of them. As I said earlier, if someone really wants to use a gun to kill they can find one. But the facts are undeniable. If there are less guns openly available, the chances of those occurances are reduced. I would also want to know how many times people have had to use a gun to defend their home.... there was a reason that video you posted made it to the news. -
Alcohol was not made for killing
Cars not made for killing
Spoons not made to kill
Plane not made to kill people
Firework not made to kill
Knives not made to kill people
Baseball bats not made to kill people
Crowbars not made to kill people
GUNS killed a nine year old girl and by your own words to defend by injury or death are made to kill people
Case closed -
After all I have read in this thread, I will pose just one question...
Would any of you break into brownnoise's house?(obvious hypothetical, if you were going to break into a house). I think that his anti-gun neighbor might be any easier target...that seems to be the point to me.
It's possible, yet very hard, to say a shooting would not have occurred with stricter regulation. It is impossible to say you would break into a gun owners house before a non gun owner.
Both sides are visible which makes it a contentious and interesting topic to debate. Bottom line has to be that if the government could not enforce a law why make one?
Anyone ever fired a taurus PT-92? I'm considering one
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Mr. Ikslopot:
I largely agree with you, but I think state law needs to be addressed in Arizona, not federal law. This is not an American problem, it's an Arizona problem, and they have the right to make the laws they want to make.
I like those articles... I liked when the victim said the murdered judge just came from church and probably didn't have a gun on him.
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Guns for work eg armed forces /police. Yes
Guns for hunting. Yes
Guns for use on street or home. No no no no
Quote Churchill the dog -
BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
I think you are responsible; however, not everyone is as fortunate to have or display the good sense that you have.Think I'm not safe with a pistol? I served on a ballistic missile submarine.
Most gun owners I know used them in a professional capacity, either law enforcement or military, and now keep them privately, because they aren't nieve.
I have a gun in my home, and I'm confident that I can use it as a deterrent rather than a killing machine.
The debate should be answering a question like this:
Should laws be made to control gun ownership in Arizona.
Then, sides declare wether they are for or against and why and make their defense. This way the sides may have a conversation without insulting each other.
Also, apparently the congress woman is doing the best that may be expected and is responding to questions.
Keep these survivors in your prayers. 🙏
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Sexygirl wrote:
Go ahead close your mind. I mean case, sorry.Alcohol was not made for killing
Cars not made for killing
Spoons not made to kill
Plane not made to kill people
Firework not made to kill
Knives not made to kill people
Baseball bats not made to kill people
Crowbars not made to kill people
GUNS killed a nine year old girl and by your own words to defend by injury or death are made to kill people
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What tell me where in any car etc advertising does it say nice drive but also if your getting robbed you can run the fucker over
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
I agree. The leaders and culture in my state is responsible for the situation here. It is appalling and very disturbing to me that individuals here would bring weapons instead of have an intelligent debate in my state. That politicians have come here witnessing crowds that are armed at a public conversation is appalling.Mr. Ikslopot:
I largely agree with you, but I think state law needs to be addressed in Arizona, not federal law. This is not an American problem, it's an Arizona problem, and they have the right to make the laws they want to make.
@BrownNoise Thank you for serving our country. I respect you and our nations soldiers for their bravery and dedication to our country by risking your own lives. Thank you.
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For further debate I would encourage all individuals to state their thoughts in a coherent statement. Then, after all sides have presented their case we will read each others opinions and examine their supporting evidence. Afterwards, we will pose our arguments. We may examine these arguments. Finally, we may present final statements.
I am tired of reading people slandering each other.
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Final statement guns are made to kill and specially trained And mentally assessed people should be allowed to have them
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Eg police army or any one that need them for work xxxxc
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Self defense is a basic human right, enumerated in our constitution. The amendment also specifies the usefulness of an individual right to bear arms for collective defense in the form of a militia.
States may regulate firearms as they see fit, as long as they do not supersede the US Constitution as interpreted by the federal supreme court.
Arizona must comply with all federal laws, until or unless they are deemed unconstitutional.
If the people of Arizona want to tighten their gun laws, they have a mechanism to do so. Other states have no say, other than to amend the constitution if given the opportunity by congress.
Foreign states have no say.
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In my opinion, Arizona is free to do as they see fit, but I am encouraged by their gun rights advocacy, even on the part of thier Democrat party officials, including at least some of the victims of this lunatic's actions. If the judge that was kill had his firearm that he apparently almost always carried, it seems likely that the assailant would have been stopped before emptying his entire magazine.
I yield the balance of my time.
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punchyclockface wrote:
It's a fringe party, still smokin' from the 1960s. Soon to be replaced by the granola munching 70s cocaine users. They are the chief warriors against the GOP, still hanging on to the 1950s, soon to be replaced by yuppie porshe pilots of the 80s. And then coke will finally be legal!!I've never heard of this "Democrat" party of which you speak, but I am intrigued.
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👆I will affirm this.
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punchyclockface wrote:
Fallacy of false cause: cum hoc ergo propter hoc, and argument by innuendo. (one of my favorites!)I'm sorry, you're going to have to speak a little slower. I'm not at all fluent in dittohead. But yeah, I'm sure it would have been just like in the movies. The judge would have pulled his gun and said something memorable like "eat lead, punk" before blowing the perp away.
I am not a "dittohead", and my politics are not based on movies.
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Yaaaaaaawnnnn... Ahhh.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
New member! Lol.Yaaaaaaawnnnn... Ahhh.
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shin-soo choo wrote:
And how in the hell would you know who has guns and who doesn't before breaking into a house? I mean I'm fairly certain brown doesn't sit out front of his house shooting off rounds to make sure people know ahead of time he has guns. Like really... think about it.After all I have read in this thread, I will pose just one question...
Would any of you break into brownnoise's house?(obvious hypothetical, if you were going to break into a house). I think that his anti-gun neighbor might be any easier target...that seems to be the point to me.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Coke was legal. Now it's not.punchyclockface wrote:
It's a fringe party, still smokin' from the 1960s. Soon to be replaced by the granola munching 70s cocaine users. They are the chief warriors against the GOP, still hanging on to the 1950s, soon to be replaced by yuppie porshe pilots of the 80s. And then coke will finally be legal!!I've never heard of this "Democrat" party of which you speak, but I am intrigued.
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Kozy wrote: And how in the hell would you know who has guns and who doesn't before breaking into a house? I mean I'm fairly certain brown doesn't sit out front of his house shooting off rounds to make sure people know ahead of time he has guns. Like really... think about it.
Some people do target shoot in their yards to let it be known that they are armed. Depends on how rural they are. Personally, I have alarm signs and stickers. Some people put NRA stickers on their windows. I worry that advertising my NRA membership may actually encourage a break-in, in order to steal guns. The alarm system signs probably work better. -
I own a gun. I have owned it since long before 9/11 - I was not brainwashed by the government because of that. We are all products of our environment. In the UK, you guys were taught you don't need guns for self-defense. In the US, it varies by state/part of the country you live in. I have lived my whole life in Texas. Texas would probably secede from the US before allowing the government to attempt to take away their rights to bear arms. (Yes, it's bear arms, not "bare" arms 💪, lol). If someone breaks into my house, then I have every right to kill them. I honestly wouldn't care if they were armed or not; they clearly do not have good intentions.
I'll tell you something else, as a woman, I would use every bullet I possibly could if someone tried to rape (or obviously kill) me. So sexygirl, would you prefer to be raped over having the ability to defend yourself? (Don't try to avoid the question by saying you'd call the cops, etc. I would try to also, but say your phone is dead, etc, those are your options.)
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Personally I think intelligence tests should be required to buy a gun, but then again, I also think they should be required to download this game.
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Wow this thread has turned into a flame war when it's supposed to be dedicated to the victims may thy all find peace with God in heaven and I pray for their families
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And the ppl who r protesting at the funerals of these ppl r assholes
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glman wrote:
👍. We just happen to display iy aloy moreIt happens everywhere, and everyday, some are worse than others, defiantly not just in US tho, it's a sad thing
us=media whores
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Killing Man wrote:
✌👍👍👍👍👍👍Wow this thread has turned into a flame war when it's supposed to be dedicated to the victims may thy all find peace with God in heaven and I pray for their families
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