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America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
~Abraham LincolnForce is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived.
~Abraham LincolnMilitary glory--that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood--that serpent's eye, that charms to destroy...
~Abraham LincolnWe must recognize the chief characteristic of the modern era--a permanent state of what I call violent peace.
~Admiral James D. Watkins -
Oh on this one taken on by government and pro gun lobby
Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
~Adolph Hitler -
"every year now like christmas, some boy gets the milk fed suburban blues. reaches for the available arsenal and saunters off to make the news.
and the women in the middle
are learning what poor women have always known. that the edge is closer than you think
when the men bring the guns home.look at where the profits are
that's how you'll find the source. of the big lie that you and i both know so well.
by the time it takes this cultural
death wish to run it's course. they're gonna to make a pretty penny, and then they're all going to hell.open fire on the nra
and all the lies they told us along the way. open fire on each weapons manufacturer, while he's giving head to some republican senator.and if i hear one more time
about a fools right to his tools of rage. I'm gonna take all my friends and i'm going to move to canada and we're going to die of old age." -
Give me a freakin' break. How can you be so one sided and completely ignore RECENT history? You are so foolish to think guns aren't needed. Look around you. Genocide happens. I appreciate you trying harder to make an argument, but I emphatically disagree with you, and I think you have a very protected world view. Go out somewhere where you need a gun, and come back and tell me off then. I've been there. I have risked my life, and I have used extreme force to keep us safe. No way in hell will you teach me about the reality of the world, or my own community.
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Tek, move out of NY, that utopia without guns, and realize that you are not a ward of the state.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Well I live in uk no need for guns here there not freely availableGive me a freakin' break. How can you be so one sided and completely ignore RECENT history? You are so foolish to think guns aren't needed. Look around you. Genocide happens. I appreciate you trying harder to make an argument, but I emphatically disagree with you, and I think you have a very protected world view. Go out somewhere where you need a gun, and come back and tell me off then. I've been there. I have risked my life, and I have used extreme force to keep us safe. No way in hell will you teach me about the reality of the world, or my own community.
Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
~Adolph Hitler -
Wasn't the world such a happy and wonderful place before guns? It's guns that cause violence. Make no mistake. Before guns, everyone was safe and free. The governments were all fair and just, crime was non existent, wars were unheard of.
If you think as a society of humans we have moved past the level the ancient Greeks did, you are foolish. People don't change. Violence has existed since the first bug smashed the first slug. Utopia is always just a few laws away, but it never works out, does it?
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Keep quoting hitler. He was the biggest advocate for arms control since ancient China.
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scotland4ever wrote:
Why do people in other countries think that crimes in America involving guns are carried out with legally obtained guns? Most crimes involving guns in America are committed with illegally purchased guns.America should do what Britain does, make it very hard to buy a gun as this would reduce the killing over in the US
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What is it with the Americans and their self-righteous, singular view of the world? Guns are fucking evil. They are ONLY designed to kill. That is their purpose. Somehow the US has brainwashed a majority of the population into thinking it's a great idea to carry a gun under the banner of 'self defence'. Your news reports on the war are fucked- it's like watching a bloody movie. Everything is so damn Hollywood and about a million miles away from reality so no wonder you think it's a great idea to carry a gun.
I worry BrownNoise because your buttons are so easily pressed- just read your posts. The thought of you also having a firearm capable of killing is just frightening. If someone breaks into your home, at what point do you think 'i'm going to kill him'?
You are right to say guns are a necessity, but leave them in trained hands like the military and not some hill Billy redneck with a point to prove. And also get your history AND geography right if you feel the need to verbalise.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
🙋I laughed out loud! 😹😹If only England had no guns, the German burglars could have come in and taken what they wanted without anyone getting hurt! Because you armed yourselves, look what happened! The only reason they had guns was because you had guns. You could learn a lot from the French. Next time, just cower in the corner of Ireland until they leave and the UN Police show up to file a report.
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Think I'm not safe with a pistol? I served on a ballistic missile submarine. I have responsibly and safely maintained enough firepower to wipe out nations. You are inserting your biased belief that gun owners are always untrained, ignorant hillbillies.
Most gun owners I know used them in a professional capacity, either law enforcement or military, and now keep them privately, because they aren't naive.
I have a gun in my home, and I'm confident that I can use it as a deterrent rather than a killing machine. If not, and I'm forced to kill, I will. Violent crime happens, and I will do what I can to protect my family, community, and nation, if need be.
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Here is some interesting research I recently found relevant to the area and topic at hand. I look forward to the interpretations and use of the article from the various perspectives in this debate.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2010/12/20/20101220glendale-store-tops-list-guns-seized-mexico.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/guns/part5.html
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Sexygirl wrote:
Car were no made forthe purpose to kill
Booze was not made with the intention to killAnd guns were made for hunting and defense.
OIt's all about intent. Tge baseball bat came from the club, and people use them to kil.
How about knives?
People need to be held accountable for their actions. And blame placed accordingly. You do not have the intellectual requirements needed to participate in this discussion, so please step aside and remain silent.
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Mr. Ikslopot wrote:
It's shock news at it's finest. Most all guns have a legal origin. If it's a high crime area, guns will be stolen. So you blame the shop closest to the high crime area. Meh.Here is some interesting research I recently found relevant to the area and topic at hand. I look forward to the interpretations and use of the article from the various perspectives in this debate.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2010/12/20/20101220glendale-store-tops-list-guns-seized-mexico.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/guns/part5.html
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No Brown, you blame the fact that guns are so easily available to the anyone and everyone in the first place. A point you've been dodging all the way through this debate.
@ChainsawC yes blame needs to be placed accordingly, but how about prevent guns falling into the wrong peoples hands in the first place before people get killed. Someone in a with a baseball bat or knife doesnt have anywhere near the same power to end the lives of dozens of people in a room before they can be stopped, compared to someone with a gun.
And Brown, you have the training/experience/ and qualified psyche to own a gun. You are convinced that everyone and anyone has those same characteristics? -
ChainsawCharlie wrote:
Lol really so disprove any thing I've said look it up in your history books there the thing with pages that u turn.Sexygirl wrote:
Car were no made forthe purpose to kill
Booze was not made with the intention to killAnd guns were made for hunting and defense.
OIt's all about intent. Tge baseball bat came from the club, and people use them to kil.
How about knives?
People need to be held accountable for their actions. And blame placed accordingly. You do not have the intellectual requirements needed to participate in this discussion, so please step aside and remain silent.
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A law banning the sale of assault weapons has expired, which means it's now legal to buy Uzis and AK 47s. The NRA said that now its owners can protect their families from up to 200 burglars at once.
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I have never said that unqualified people should have access to guns.
What I will say is that the burden of gun ownership for qualified owners is already too high. The reason being that people blame the guns and not the criminals.
If you blame guns for violence, new laws are automatically created to make guns inaccessible to responsible people that can make good use of them.
Why don't we focus on why the laws we have are not working, instead of making new ones that take guns from law abiding citizens?
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Relevant discussion on the state of national health care by professionals and experts with relevance and commentary on the state of care in Arizona should be online at this site tomorrow.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-01-11/serious-psychiatric-disorders-among-young-adults
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Why do we call the cops? They have the guns. If a gun is needed, the cops bring one, but it was needed 5 minutes ago before we picked up the phone.
Police are reactionary, not preventative. Protect yourself and those around you if you can. It is a human right.
If there was no violence, we wouldn't need the police. Clearly there is violence, and it's not because I own a gun.
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One of the biggest problems is with the guns that are lawfully owned but then taken/ borrowed illegally. Can I ask, if I was able to take your gun, and use it, without your knowledge. And I killed someone, would YOU take any of the responsibility/ blame?
Also Brown I totally disagree, how can any burden be too high? If it prevents someone from using a gun to commit murder and they attained that gun legally, then it is not high enough. If it inconveniences you or pisses you off, then you can only blame the people (which is what iv been saying for like the last 10 posts now) who should not be allowed the gun in the first place! -
Sexygirl wrote:
Because you know little about guns and gun laws, allow me to educate you a bit.A law banning the sale of assault weapons has expired, which means it's now legal to buy Uzis and AK 47s. The NRA said that now its owners can protect their families from up to 200 burglars at once.
UZIs are defensive. They are low caliber, close in weapons. This is why they are used by body guards, and not the army.
An AK-47 is a rifle like any other.
Fully automatic variants of these are illegal most everywhere except for military and law enforcement.
Sorry, even with a perfect record, I am unable to purchase a machine gun. Doesn't stop the gangs from using them, but hey... At least I can't have one.
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juggle0 wrote:
Yes, I would have legal responsibility. Read the laws in Maryland.One of the biggest problems is with the guns that are lawfully owned but then taken/ borrowed illegally. Can I ask, if I was able to take your gun, and use it, without your knowledge. And I killed someone, would YOU take any of the responsibility/ blame?
Also Brown I totally disagree, how can any burden be too high? If it prevents someone from using a gun to commit murder and they attained that gun legally, then it is not high enough. If it inconveniences you or pisses you off, then you can only blame the people (which is what iv been saying for like the last 10 posts now) who should not be allowed the gun in the first place!If you are going to curtail people's rights for safety reasons, there needs to be a balance. You will NEVER stop gun violence. People can make guns in prison. Why disarm the law abiding majority because some idiot stole a gun and used it?
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The biggest problem today is that everything is Illegal either Immagrants,knives,guns and drugs. It is to bad that the GOV. can't stop Illegal things like this because if they did this would be a better country.
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Seriously, people get drunk and kill people with cars intentionally. We need to make it harder to own cars. Those evil, evil cars.
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Other relevant articles:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11guns.html?_r=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11district.html
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Recently, an al-queda friendly publication featured an article about how to use a truck or SUV to run down crowds of people.
Ooooo, scary! We better crack down on truck and SUV owners. What if someone stole a truck or SUV for this purpose? Sure the person that bought it legally never hurt anyone, but if it could fall into enemy hands.... No, no, no. We need waiting periods, ATF licensing, fingerprinting, fees, purchasing limitations and justification before anyone can own a truck.
If that's too inconvenient for you, then too f'in bad.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
No. Driving while intoxicated is clearly a danger and was dealt with by law to make the roads safer for society. To not make intelligent laws is in error.Seriously, people get drunk and kill people with cars intentionally. We need to make it harder to own cars. Those evil, evil cars.
Similarly, hunting and protection are reasonable reasons to own a weapon; however, having a 30 round magazine may be a little in excess.
Perhaps, more reasonable than this would be my state at least requiring permits to purchase a weapon. I would prefer tests and at least a class as well to see if an individual was in a state that they could be responsible to own a weapon.
It was also in error when Arizona's governor chose to drop ACCESS coverage for many disabled individuals in the state. Certainly there are some issues here you might see as areas that our country could provide a solution for that would better the society.
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This has been covered Brown... clutching at straws? Drink driving is illegal, drunk whilst in possession of a gun should be.
Or is this still the argument that a gun is not designed to kill? LOL!!To be honest I am about done in this thread. Brown your ignorant of what more or less everyone is saying and arrogant because the way YOU do things works. People are different. If you cant look past that then its a crying shame. The system doesnt work, thats why a 9 year old girl died two days ago.
The system in the UK works fine. I cannot remember the last time there was a massacre or killing rampage because it hasnt happened since before guns were banned. Yes we have violence and gun crime but not on the same levels. I am glad that if for whatever reason, a fight breaks out in a club/ bar or anywhere else I am located, I dont have to worry about being hit by a stray bullet. Knives and baseball bats cars etc can all be used to kill, but not with the same efficiency and quantity as a child with a gun.
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