Arizona Shooting 😱
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ttt wrote:
What about Finland? Canada? Are they failed, too? Most countries have piles of guns. It just varies how many belong to the people and how many belong to the oppressors.Imo any society with Legal guns is a failed society.
3000 years ago an armed society made limited sense now it points to fools.
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punchyclockface wrote:
I've decided that I need to carry a 4 foot long razor sharp samurai sword in public for my own self defense, for hunting, for overthrowing the government, and for projecting force in general when need be. What?!? I can't get a permit for that? A semi-automatic handgun with a huge magazine on the other hand...
I believe that the lesson here is that our country needs a powerful, well financed samurai sword lobby in Washington.only if u can get a concealed permit.
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punchyclockface wrote:
That is not our culture. That's Scotland.I've decided that I need to carry a 4 foot long razor sharp samurai sword in public for my own self defense, for hunting, for overthrowing the government, and for projecting force in general when need be. What?!? I can't get a permit for that? A semi-automatic handgun with a huge magazine on the other hand...
I believe that the lesson here is that our country needs a powerful, well financed samurai sword lobby in Washington. -
Grimjaow wrote:
this dude may be the next gun toten bozoU seriously don't expect me to read ur responses do you?
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BrownNoise, you are just the kind of idiot guns were made for I'm afraid. Enjoy masterbating over this months "Guns and Ammo" with your big, fat Glock.
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A 9 year old girl was killed in this attack. People seem to care very little over the fact that they throw their lives in the trash as well as their victims.
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What I hate about this whole thing is that whenever our great country tries to stop illegal immagrants we have to face stupid people like this.
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Also with the gun thing look people are going to get them legal or illegal they might as well get them legal. It will be just like alcahol in the1920s it was illegal and it just cause more crime. Also people had moonshine like people will have Ak47 and RPG.
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juggle0 wrote:
Ofcourse once a gun is stolen or purchased illegally... it becomes illegal. The argument is obvious. If the guns arent sold legally, then they cant be borrowed/stolen and used to kill someone? How can you not get that? If someone wants a gun bad enough anywhere in the world then yes they can get one, but it stops 15 year old Joe Bloggs running up to his parents room, taking a gun out and killing someone. I am not talking about gang violence which is a different matter. I am talking about the likes of Jared Loughner, who acquired a gun legally and just used it to kill 6 people including a 9 year old girl.
And what about the jackass that acquired an automobile legally, then went to liquor store and acquired his booze legally, then gets drunk and plows into a minivan killing an entire family?
Do we ban automobiles?
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Car were no made forthe purpose to kill
Booze was not made with the intention to kill
That the muststupid arguement any one can use and stupid people have gun. In the uk we have guns were I live we have alot for uk for hunting and for protection of live stock .BUT we don't protect our home with them if some one robs your house here fair enough that's what the police and insurance is for if I was a robber in your country dam right I'd have a gun because I'd know u will have one 2 . See there's my point if I knew in a fight some one had a weapon I'd have a weapon if u had a gun I'd have a gun.where does it stop oh yeah like the us . In most cases in the uk people who rob house don't have guns because they know the home owner does not they break in take you stuff when your out and there gone.no shoot out no people killed .but your culture and dam right stupid values mean that it ok to have guns which is also filters down to your crims who have the same culture of guns sad really -
This is also the reason that commercial ships used to refuse to repel pirate boarders, and terrorists could tell a pilot to land in Cuba without a fight. You see how those policies have changed, and you see why.
So the guns YOU guys have are not for killing people, but our guns are?
Did you watch that video I posted? Those thugs had machine guns, and were not at all expecting the home owner to fight back. They have guns because they can intimidate with them, not because they are afraid of armed victims. To believe that people can just have your property while you cower in the corner is repulsive to me.
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No there for hunting and wild animal attacking animal stock . I'm not saying ban guns for that use no in that case they are tools and specially trained police where there mental health is checked to the max . It is very rare in uk to have armed robbers why is this ? Because they know they can get in rob the place and get out without fear of being shot and also knowing our tactical fire arm team with blow there heads off if they have guns and the police will not stop hunting them down.your not going to stop desperate people robbing A gun won't stop them only makes sure that they will have a gun 2.what you need to do is be tough on crime and the causes of crime if people had what they need then why rob and u are never going to stop mental nutters shooting people randomly a gun won't stop them unless its in the right hands (police) (security forces)
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Yep. And the thought that oh well the government and the insurance companies will take care of it us truly disgusting.This is also the reason that commercial ships used to refuse to repel pirate boarders, and terrorists could tell a pilot to land in Cuba without a fight. You see how those policies have changed, and you see why.
So the guns YOU guys have are not for killing people, but our guns are?
Did you watch that video I posted? Those thugs had machine guns, and were not at all expecting the home owner to fight back. They have guns because they can intimidate with them, not because they are afraid of armed victims. To believe that people can just have your property while you cower in the corner is repulsive to me.
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I think its getting to the point where we are going to have to agree to disagree. Its always an interesting debate. I have been burgled before, I wasnt in at the time but if I was then I fully support the argument that I would rather have a gun to reach over a baseball bat. But I shudder at the idea of every moron in this country, and any country having the ability to own a gun, there are just too many wannabe's and psychos.
The ability to take a gun into a bar is preposterous to me. In response to CHAINSAWCHARLIE the reason drink driving rules are imposed are to prevent just that. There should be similar laws to being caught in possession of a gun whilst intoxicated. -
If only England had no guns, the German burglars could have come in and taken what they wanted without anyone getting hurt! Because you armed yourselves, look what happened! The only reason they had guns was because you had guns. You could learn a lot from the French. Next time, just cower in the corner of Ireland until they leave and the UN Police show up to file a report.
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Lol learn from the French?! Hahahahaha. I don't need to learn how to turn and run. Your arguments always sway from well presented to ridiculous. The reason we had guns back in 1939 was because we had an army, like we do now, who also have guns now.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
May I say another stupid argument our armed forces and air force did a good job repelling the Germans Ty and there the army there allowed guns not mrs bloggs from down the rd and even though Im not the greatest fan of the French there outdated and old military leader fucked them over not the French people them selves if it was not for the French restance d day would of not happened as they secretly destroyed german comincation and defused bombs on major bridge headsIf only England had no guns, the German burglars could have come in and taken what they wanted without anyone getting hurt! Because you armed yourselves, look what happened! The only reason they had guns was because you had guns. You could learn a lot from the French. Next time, just cower in the corner of Ireland until they leave and the UN Police show up to file a report.
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The French resistance used illegal guns and explosives to fight off the Germans. Shame on them.
But my point is, you believe in the collective right to self defense, but not a personal right. This is the road to oppression, which has played out time and time again.
I think I know what you believe. Probably it won't happen *this* time, because we have evolved as a species. We are progressing toward utopia. You can trust people with power not to take yours.
It's foolish, and it's the same argument for the last 400 years.
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Brown Noise, you have to actually read what I write to know what I think. How can I possibly think we are progressing when I just said I don't trust that anyone and everyone could own a gun? What happens if the next time some nut job wonders into school with his dads gun and it just so happens to be the same school you send your kids to? That's the point I'm stating.
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Or do you believe children have the right to bear arms as well as they should be able to properly defend themselves from invading armies, pirates and terrorists?
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True but also as the Zulus showed us Brits all the guns in the world can't supress a nation of people with no guns. think they had illegal spears lol and gandi showed us with no weapons at all let's see where its got u. U beat veitnam nope pearl harbour nope Korean war nope Iraq pending but no afgainistan same a Iraq. Bin Larden nope the only real weapon that works is talking even this game proves that.as u lot keep harking about the germans there best weapons was not guns or tank or planes it was propaganda the mind is way more powerful than any weapon and so is information and knowledge .so u should really be teaching better WORLD history in your schools a learn from the mistake of every one past . Empires will rise and fall , in war both sides never really win and violence breeds violence .so don't feel safe carrying guns cowboys out there because there a very good chance defending your self with a weapon against a person that theywill be thinking the same🔫=🚑
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It's a bit iffy. I say they make it much more difficult to own a gun. The bar thing is a no brainer. Should be no guns.
Never been a big fan of guns. Usually it's idiots that use them in self defense, and chances are that if the moron didnt have a fucking gun to wave around in "self defense", then chances are he wouldn't be so prone to stand his ground and there would be much less killings in the end.
Obviously there are scenarios that defeat that.
Also WTF is with people able to use guns like desert eagles? Is there any particular reason that they need a 50.cal in their hands for self defense? Are they being assaulted by some fucking heavy armour? Jesus.
1 more thing. Brown, what good are those guns when their in a safe and you have people that have broken in your house? Just gonna calmly punch in the code?
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Brown Noise how old you? Now I think 4D was right what he said about you
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I agree with brown. The most important thing is freedom. Freedom has costs. Seems to me the Brits are just too used to not having freedom
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KiLL€R wrote:
I'm 13. What did 4D say about me?Brown Noise how old you? Now I think 4D was right what he said about you
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juggle0 wrote:
Did you read what I wrote about mitigating the kids with guns issue?Brown Noise, you have to actually read what I write to know what I think. How can I possibly think we are progressing when I just said I don't trust that anyone and everyone could own a gun? What happens if the next time some nut job wonders into school with his dads gun and it just so happens to be the same school you send your kids to? That's the point I'm stating.
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Belial wrote:
Wow lol if you forgot we invented your ideals last time we were invaded was around 1066 lol we are not the one brain washed by the tea party or neo conservatives. let's me remind u of your such freedoms like the witch hunt in the 60s of comis and Nixon and watergate or your use of slaves long after us lol freedom is just a buzz word today for us listen to Corey tailors stone sour silly world this is from one of your morden greatest rock stars your being controlled by fear put out by your government since sept 11 no guns needed .I agree with brown. The most important thing is freedom. Freedom has costs. Seems to me the Brits are just too used to not having freedom
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Sexydude conveniently leaves out the communist and fascist regimes that confiscated guns in his version of WORLD history.
Rights are not granted by man. Only stolen.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Live by the sword die by the sword. The pen is mightier the then the sword. May I say history is only written by the winners of wars. And from the losers it may seem very different oh by the way why all all this terrorist actions happing at the mo is u lot screwed the middle east in 60s thanks guysSexydude conveniently leaves out the communist and fascist regimes that confiscated guns in his version of WORLD history.
Rights are not granted by man. Only stolen.
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As u like quotes here's one
I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends.
~Abraham Lincoln
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