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punchyclockface wrote:
Yeah, that happens all the time. Derp. "Assault weapons" is a political term. A glock if not a rapid fire weapon. It typically has a long pull, and a lot of trigger resistance.I'm saying that giving a civilian the ability to unload 30 rounds as fast as they can squeeze the trigger seems to cross the line from being a self defense weapon to being an assault weapon. Also, let's say for the sake of argument that everyone else in the Safeway that day was armed and an excellent shot. Common sense tells me that, in the ensuing chaos, they would start shooting at each other, assuming this coward had an accomplice. In this situation, more guns would have probably meant a greater loss of life.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Oh almighty intelligent BrownNoise! Have you never heard of WalMart?? Or has farming/cultivation/capitalism not caught up with you yet?Sexygirl wrote:
You won't be putting game in that pot without one. You know, the hunting TOOL.
Knives are a tool sain people cook with them I've never shot a carrot to put in the pot
A good start would be making sure noone could be intoxicated holding a firearm. Taking a gun into a bar, you might aswell get drunk and then be allowed to drive home. If your caught drunk or stoned or whatever with a firearm, it should be confiscated, that seems like common sense to me. -
juggle0 wrote:
Yes, Walmart is where I buy my ammo. But hunting in walmart is generally frowned upon.BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Oh almighty intelligent BrownNoise! Have you never heard of WalMart?? Or has farming/cultivation/capitalism not caught up with you yet?Sexygirl wrote:
You won't be putting game in that pot without one. You know, the hunting TOOL.Knives are a tool sain people cook with them I've never shot a carrot to put in the pot
A good start would be making sure noone could be intoxicated holding a firearm. Taking a gun into a bar, you might aswell get drunk and then be allowed to drive home. If your caught drunk or stoned or whatever with a firearm, it should be confiscated, that seems like common sense to me. -
Why don't you take the guns away from your noble fox hunters? Give them pointed sticks.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
"Derp" real foxhunting has been banned for a while now. Even if it wasnt that is a lame comparison as the smallest minority of ponces used to take part in fox hunting. A minute group compared to the masses who can buy ammo legally in WalMart.Why don't you take the guns away from your noble fox hunters? Give them pointed sticks.
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Foxhunters used dogs, not guns, and foxhunting is now illegal in the uk.Why don't you take the guns away from your noble fox hunters? Give them pointed sticks.
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Sexygirl wrote:
You a bigger troll than grim. Banning guns would just leave the behaved citizens in the dark. Maybe in England it's easier to do since you guys are smaller than one of our states but over here that is a lot of work. Even if the government restricts guns you can still get em illegally. I myself own a shotgun just for security purpose.glman wrote:
Guns don't kill people stupid people with guns do.ban gun in your country before more innocent kids get shotOh, by the way, it happened in front of a safeway, 6 were killed, including a judge and a 9 year old girl. The congresswoman was shot in the head and is in ICU currently.
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bazboffer wrote:
They used guns. The dogs tracked and flushed the fox. Have you not seen the pompous paintings?BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Foxhunters used dogs, not guns, and foxhunting is now illegal in the uk.Why don't you take the guns away from your noble fox hunters? Give them pointed sticks.
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punchyclockface wrote:
That's cool. It's never a "gang" of criminals. Always just one. Good point. But it's not a machine designed to kill people. It's a machine designed to project force. It can be good or bad. It can be people, animals, or locked doors. I open my beer with a gun. Not really.I intentionally contrasted "self defense weapon" with "assault weapon". To me, self defense doesn't involve killing as many people as possible as fast as possible. That's an assault. I am personally comforted by the fact that you have a moment of quiet reflection while you're ejecting your first 15-round clip and inserting another one. Also, I'm going to have to see some of these buried news stories that prove that a machine designed to take lives is more likely to be used to save them.
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YOU wrote:
Oh, my bad. That's your prison colony down under. No, lately it was considered more humane to tear the fox apart with dogs, you are correct.bazboffer wrote:
They used guns. The dogs tracked and flushed the fox. Have you not seen the pompous paintings?BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Foxhunters used dogs, not guns, and foxhunting is now illegal in the uk.Why don't you take the guns away from your noble fox hunters? Give them pointed sticks.
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BrownNoise you are officially the best person at creating tangents. No matter how much you are contradicted and wholly proven wrong you find a way of twisting it lol. Hehe I love your analogy that a gun is NOT designed to kill people, you should be a lawyer!
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
hence why it was banned like 10 years ago... derp lolYOU wrote:
Oh, my bad. That's your prison colony down under. No, lately it was considered more humane to tear the fox apart with dogs, you are correct.
bazboffer wrote:
They used guns. The dogs tracked and flushed the fox. Have you not seen the pompous paintings?
BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Foxhunters used dogs, not guns, and foxhunting is now illegal in the uk.
Why don't you take the guns away from your noble fox hunters? Give them pointed sticks.
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Damn those cunning fox's! 🐺
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juggle0 wrote:
Where have I been proven wrong about the many benefits of gun ownership? I'm telling you, I have lived all over this country, (that's like Europe to you), and I know for a fact that the good guys outnumber the bad guys by a huge margin. The only way they can exert power over us is by out-gunning us. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the good people are unable or unwilling to carry guns thanks to state and political coercion/fear propaganda. Gun ownership is declining, and victims are on the rise.BrownNoise you are officially the best person at creating tangents. No matter how much you are contradicted and wholly proven wrong you find a way of twisting it lol. Hehe I love your analogy that a gun is NOT designed to kill people, you should be a lawyer!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Watch this video. (in Arizona by the way.)
1. What would happen if the resident was not armed?
2. Aren't you cheering on this guy that defended his own home against crazy-armed thugs?
The guns the attackers used are illegal.
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punchyclockface wrote:
Actually, any decent militia these days carries military assault weapons, grenade launchers, land mines, and armored vehicles. If we were following the intent of the constitution, these would all be expected. No well-regulated militia in the world relies on 9mm pistols.I would like to say that I fully support the right to bear arms as enumerated by the US Constitution. For the purposes of maintaining a well-regulated militia, the right of citizens to own a flint-lock, barrel-loaded single-shot revolutionary war style musket shall not be infringed upon.
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It seems like you are also one victim of propaganda as Gun Crime (therefore victims) is definitely not on the rise in the USA and that is a fact. Gun Crime was huge in the 1990s and has decreased hugely since. 79% of guns used in gun crimes over the last decade in the US were originally aquired legally. Most guns used in crimes are borrowed or taken (originally bought legally with a liscence - they wouldnt be there if there werent legal) MINTEL the source to all knowledge worth knowing. So 2 points there and the one before about foxhunting, plus the one about a gun NOT being designed to kill (which I'm still smiling about).
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juggle0 wrote:
You must not have read all of our posts. There are plenty of ways for a crazy person to also acquire illegal guns.It seems like you are also one victim of propaganda as Gun Crime (therefore victims) is definitely not on the rise in the USA and that is a fact. Gun Crime was huge in the 1990s and has decreased hugely since. 79% of guns used in gun crimes over the last decade in the US were originally aquired legally. Most guns used in crimes are borrowed or taken (originally bought legally with a liscence - they wouldnt be there if there werent legal) MINTEL the source to all knowledge worth knowing. So 2 points there and the one before about foxhunting, plus the one about a gun NOT being designed to kill (which I'm still smiling about).
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All guns sold in gun shops and shows are legal. That is a pointless argument. As soon as they are stolen, or purchased illegally, they are no longer legal. I fail to see what that has to do with anything. If guns are harder to get from legal sources, demand increases in the black market.
And surely you must see that gun crime dropping overall has nothing to do with the percentage of unarmed victims going up. And in case you haven't noticed, we have a civilian war on our southern border right now. Is gun crime on the decline there?
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
I live in DC. Guns cannot be purchased here. Until recently, ownership was illegal for 30 years. Second highest murder rate in the US on average. Guns are here, and the vast majority are in the hands of the wrong people.
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Everyones forgotten about hunting with a bow or crossbow I guess. And whoever said guns in bars is a good thing needs a reality check. People tend to drink in bars, some get into fights, all it takes is one person to pull out a gun and then bad news. Not sure what it's like in the states but in Canada you can't drink while hunting. Not legally anyway. So why should it be legal to drink in a bar with a gun?
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punchyclockface wrote:
What do you think was the intent of our second amendment right? And how is that intent met? It is the law of our land, and there is a mechanism to change it if we want to. WE DON'T WANT TO.The founders stated that the Constitution should evolve as technology changes. Too often, the second amendment is used to say that any gun regulation at all is unconstitutional. My replacing of "arms" with a description of the state-of-the-art weapon at the time of the writing was an attempt to illustrate that.
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Kozy wrote:
That's right! Cops wait outside!Everyones forgotten about hunting with a bow or crossbow I guess. And whoever said guns in bars is a good thing needs a reality check. People tend to drink in bars, some get into fights, all it takes is one person to pull out a gun and then bad news. Not sure what it's like in the states but in Canada you can't drink while hunting. Not legally anyway. So why should it be legal to drink in a bar with a gun?
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Kozy wrote:
Who would own a bow?Everyones forgotten about hunting with a bow or crossbow I guess. And whoever said guns in bars is a good thing needs a reality check. People tend to drink in bars, some get into fights, all it takes is one person to pull out a gun and then bad news. Not sure what it's like in the states but in Canada you can't drink while hunting. Not legally anyway. So why should it be legal to drink in a bar with a gun?
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YOU wrote:
And for the record I own a very nice 06 Kodiack 70lb compound bow I paid $1300 forKozy wrote:
Who would own a bow?Everyones forgotten about hunting with a bow or crossbow I guess. And whoever said guns in bars is a good thing needs a reality check. People tend to drink in bars, some get into fights, all it takes is one person to pull out a gun and then bad news. Not sure what it's like in the states but in Canada you can't drink while hunting. Not legally anyway. So why should it be legal to drink in a bar with a gun?
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I believe the 2nd amendment is written in plain English, and the intent was clear. I believe the current supreme court ruling, and new standing (finally!) on the matter is correct. The purpose is to keep us at the ready to defend our homes and property from outside invaders (a right), and to prepare for government overthrow or defense if needed (a duty). The amendment exists, is valid, and will likely not be repealed. Self defense is a right we cherish here.
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Belial wrote:
Every friend I have that hunts owns a bow. They also own multiple shotguns. I was just saying to everyone that kept saying if you take away guns what are you going to hunt with sticks?YOU wrote:
And for the record I own a very nice 06 Kodiack 70lb compound bow I paid $1300 forKozy wrote:
Who would own a bow?Everyones forgotten about hunting with a bow or crossbow I guess. And whoever said guns in bars is a good thing needs a reality check. People tend to drink in bars, some get into fights, all it takes is one person to pull out a gun and then bad news. Not sure what it's like in the states but in Canada you can't drink while hunting. Not legally anyway. So why should it be legal to drink in a bar with a gun?
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Kozy wrote:
In essence using a bow is hunting with sticks.Belial wrote:
Every friend I have that hunts owns a bow. They also own multiple shotguns. I was just saying to everyone that kept saying if you take away guns what are you going to hunt with sticks?YOU wrote:
And for the record I own a very nice 06 Kodiack 70lb compound bow I paid $1300 forKozy wrote:
Who would own a bow?Everyones forgotten about hunting with a bow or crossbow I guess. And whoever said guns in bars is a good thing needs a reality check. People tend to drink in bars, some get into fights, all it takes is one person to pull out a gun and then bad news. Not sure what it's like in the states but in Canada you can't drink while hunting. Not legally anyway. So why should it be legal to drink in a bar with a gun?
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BrownNoise👊🔨💀 wrote:
Ofcourse once a gun is stolen or purchased illegally... it becomes illegal. The argument is obvious. If the guns arent sold legally, then they cant be borrowed/stolen and used to kill someone? How can you not get that? If someone wants a gun bad enough anywhere in the world then yes they can get one, but it stops 15 year old Joe Bloggs running up to his parents room, taking a gun out and killing someone. I am not talking about gang violence which is a different matter. I am talking about the likes of Jared Loughner, who acquired a gun legally and just used it to kill 6 people including a 9 year old girl.All guns sold in gun shops and shows are legal. That is a pointless argument. As soon as they are stolen, or purchased illegally, they are no longer legal. I fail to see what that has to do with anything. If guns are harder to get from legal sources, demand increases in the black market.
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Got it. Why would a 15 year old have access to daddy's guns? THAT is illegal. Let's all not lose sight of the fact that firearms are already heavily regulated. I have a gun safe. I agree with following the law. My kids will not get my guns.
Guns will be here, just like cocaine is here. You can't legislate for people that refuse to respect the law.
Freedom has a cost. I prefer to keep my freedoms, especially when gun ownership lets me protect my family from nutjobs, with or without guns. Like any other freedom, there is danger.
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Imo any society with Legal guns is a failed society.
3000 years ago an armed society made limited sense now it points to fools.
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