To those who voted for Trump
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OK – so enough of me explaining my side. I’ve given a lot of thoughtful comments here with both historical examples and a few numbers.
I really want to hear from some of you in the MAGA camp.
I just asked Viking if he has any clear idea of what MAGA actually means. So we’ll see about that.
However, I’m going to take a little jab here. And I wanna know what you really think.One thing we are hearing from the billionaire class (of which you are wholeheartedly supporting as if… you were one of them) is how they are always a victim. (?)
Because there is this sentiment, a rhetoric that “they’ve worked so hard like nobody else.”
And if you’re not an even millionaire? Then you’re obviously a bum.
That’s pretty much the subtext from the messaging throughout the decades.
Do you actually see yourself along with them… As some kind of victim?
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Just following your lead and stating nonsense and ignoring everything you write. Corn eater.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I will happily engage you if you get a little serious.𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
I eat corn the long way.If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more people into extreme poverty and decrease the middle classes into poverty. The $200,000 given to each household would decrease the buying power of $200,000 and a wheelbarrow .
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
In the words of your orange master of whom you cannot question because you love being subservient… SAD.𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Just following… Corn eater.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I will happily engage you if you get a little serious.𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
I eat corn the long way.If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more people into extreme poverty and decrease the middle classes into poverty. The $200,000 given to each household would decrease the buying power of $200,000 and a wheelbarrow .
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Fair enough Stagger- next question then- should all jobs pay “a living wage” and what defines a living wage? Should a gas station cashier earn enough per hour to afford a 2bdr/2bth townhouse rent, renters insurance, car/insurance/maintanece, cell phone/data plan/ home internet/ cable tv/ PlayStation +, Norton anti virus/monthly don points/ weekly trips to Applebees/ Starbucks every other day/ monthly hair appointments/ utilities/food/clothing/ day care or after school programs/ concert/sports tickets/events/ bi annual vacation/ pet care costs/ charitable donations/tithing and birthday parties with swag giveaways with group event rentals. This seems to be what the “essential” cost of living is to most these days.
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
There’s a few calculators for that. Living wage varies by location. A single person living in Sarasota, FL., should be making a minimum of $22.68 per hour. I doubt, vacation pets, and antivirus are included with that. Check the calculator over at MITFair enough Stagger- next question then- should all jobs pay “a living wage” and what defines a living wage? Should a gas station cashier earn enough per hour to afford a 2bdr/2bth townhouse rent, renters insurance, car/insurance/maintanece, cell phone/data plan/ home internet/ cable tv/ PlayStation +, Norton anti virus/monthly don points/ weekly trips to Applebees/ Starbucks every other day/ monthly hair appointments/ utilities/food/clothing/ day care or after school programs/ concert/sports tickets/events/…. This seems to be what the “essential” cost of living is to most these days.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Shocking! A liberal resulting to using “orange man” as an argument crutch. Let me give you your next line: Hitler, Hitler, Hitler!℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
In the words of your orange master of whom you cannot question because you love being subservient… SAD.𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Just following… Corn eater.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I will happily engage you if you get a little serious.𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
I eat corn the long way.If the world’s .
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Ok MIT living wage calculator https://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/31080
It has the current min wage, poverty wage and minimum wage.
Should a cashier (no spouse or kids) at the gas station be paid a living wage of $28.80 per hour so they can live alone in their own apartment, own a car, have internet/tv/cell phone/food/clothing & money left over for civic engagement, entertainment and misc expenses? The minimum wage is double the poverty wage. Income caps for Food stamps/ HUD housing subsidies/State Medicaid assistance for low income persons is well above the federal poverty limits (poverty wage) and depending on program above minimum wage levels. HUD income eligibility is based on 80% of Area median income (Ami). It is a 3 tiered program. Tier 1 extremely low income, tier 2 very low income (50% Ami) and tier 3 low income (80% Ami). -
It appears the calculation used by MIT is specific to costs for items for the genyperson and does not account for multiple subsidies being provided to lower income households
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And to Staggers point about Corporate views towards labor. In Cali the Gov raises minimum wage wage for fast food workers to $20/hr. Just theirs, not any other industry, including home health aides. The results so far is an increase in fast food store closures, a decrease in employees per store, an increase in prices. The gov shelved the next bill to raise min wage for home health aids.
A partial reason for raising FF min wage was a corporate decision by a clown company to reduce costs by increasing salaried positions- so instead of a GM and a couple of AM’s per store they created a fry manager, grill manager, cashier manager, Am’s and Gm. No more OT, problem solved. Except the lower managers were working 50-60 hours per week and the average per hour was less than min wage -
The issue I have Stagger is that you seem to have a problem with unbridled capitalism, yet you are here to decry market intervention as a fix. You want the administration to encourage industry and job growth domestically, but not actually do anything. Your suggestion seems to be to tell companies to not be so greedy, but still let them take advantage of external labor and resources that are cheaper than they are here. It seems very likely that the only reason you don’t want market intervention is simply because the guy doing it is on the other team. If you were on his team, you’d be cheering it on. THAT is MAGA. Conservatives cheering on market intervention, because the poor can’t earn a living as easily as they could in the past. It’s tribalism everywhere.
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Moving on to other Orange News
The CFPB : Consumer Financial Protection Board
The pesky government regulation officials responsible for returning over $20 billion back to consumers because of fraud… is on the Muskrat “efficiency” chopping block.
The pesky government officials that once protected Americans from predatory financial practices by cracking down on junk fees to your credit card, bank accounts and more… as well as removing your medical debts from your credit report, are no longer a hassle to banks.
(No longer will they be the victims of the evil socialist watchdogs!)
So check your credit card and bank fees. At the least. Because who knows how much they’ll be? Beyond Mars could be the limit.
And Remember: When those fees do kick in? Instead of calling those pesky government people… better to head over to your local bank with affixed kneepads. They will be very understanding no doubt.
Making things great again has never been so much fun for the 1%.
You just can’t make this stuff up.
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Measles outbreak rises in 14 States - pesky virus is rearing its blotchy head.
But fear not! RFK jr. now leading America’s Secretary of Health and Human Services is guiding us. (And protecting us from those bureaucrats.)
Although he has never practiced medicine, because becoming a doctor requires years of medical school, clinical training, and licensing exams… he opted instead for a degree in environmental law.
Disregard all nagging details. Being chosen by the orange hand speaks for itself. “Only the best and most qualified.”
That said – Jr. has instructed that no vaccine is required.
He reassures that once wrestling with measles is over… immunity for a lifetime will be granted.
(Although disputed by so-called experts… his environmental law degree is good enough. The fake jab they claim providing lifetime protection is a lie.)
So sit back and tell your young brats to enjoy the battle.
Making health great again has never been so amazing.
And you just can’t make this stuff up.
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And now… a blast from the past reading DJT’s:
Art of the Deal! Chapter 45
“Never admit defeat. You win. If you don't win claim they cheated. They rigged it. They stole it. You are the aggrieved but you are the true winner always.
Threaten to sue and/or die. No one will remember the outcome. Just that you fought to defend your honor.This is essential to keep your brand healthy and keep the millions of CHUMPS and LOSER, your BASE.”
Wait? What did he say? He didn’t really mean it. We’ll ignore it anyway and wear his Made in China red hat.
The slogan means something that I can’t really explain… But somehow it resonates with me. Who needs to use critical thinking anyway?
And you just can’t make this stuff up.
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I like your RFK criticism. You were definitely in here complaining when Biden appointed Xavier Becerra who also has no medial training right? Oh… that’s right, you probably better google him because you have no idea who that is and didn’t give two shits about that position until you got Trump derangement syndrome. Grrrrrr Orange man!!!!! Grrrrrrrr
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Fair enough, but you missed a subtle difference here.I like your RFK criticism. You were definitely in here complaining when Biden appointed Xavier Becerra who also has no medial training right? Oh… that’s right, you probably better google him because you have no idea who that is and didn’t give two shits about that position until you got Trump derangement syndrome. Grrrrrr Orange man!!!!! Grrrrrrrr
Biden’s appointment acted more as an executive to organize thousands of professionals for handling the pandemic of which… Orange Man disastrously exacerbated.
RFK Junior? Is a de facto, quack, spreading dangerous misinformation. Someone pretending to be a doctor. Someone ignoring actual professionals.
Yeah… context. It matters in critical thinking.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
😂 yea god forbid we get a guy in there who actually wants change. Our food standards are 30 years behind Europe. We immunize with more vaccinations compared to any other country in existence. We spend more on healthcare than any other country but have the sickest population. Now you’re mad someone wants to question the science that got us here. You legit just want to argue against any change even though what we’re currently doing isn’t working. Fine, keep following your food pyramid that the grain companies designed and getting your covid boosters. You’ll be fine I’m sure.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Fair enough, but youI like your RFK criticism. You were definitely in here complaining when Biden appointed Xavier Becerra who also has no !!! Grrrrrrrr
Yeah… context. It matters in critical thinking.
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Viking: Are you familiar with any of the former Soviet Union propaganda techniques?
In case you aren’t acquainted, here’s a little insight.
The main technique is taking a 1/2 truth and twisting it so it seems as real as Dorothy‘s Oz.
That is precisely what we have been seeing for quite some time from what used to be the Republican camp across the board. (Especially that pesky laptop from that guy named Hunter.)
In terms of health:
I.E. “Helps support immunity”: Such a statement suggests the product boosts the immune system. However, “helps support” is vague and can mean anything from a minor contribution to an effect that is barely measurable.
While, not everything he is promoting is a bad idea, a lot of it has no deep statistics.
And dare I say… The most pressing would be eliminating the polio vaccine shall we say? Probably coming soon no doubt.
Caveat Emptor
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Coming from a die hard independent - my view is the shit from the left has the same smell and attracts the same flies as the shit from the right. Both have been very productive and proficient at producing excessive amounts of said shit into our collective environment.
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So, burning a tesla is the new way to erase your carbon footprint? Or aren't we doing that now? Did global warming all of a sudden dissappear? Are women still being paid $0.75 to every $1.00 a man makes? Or is that the wrong women's rights battle? Am I even in the right thread?
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Nice to meet you, fellow diehard independent.Coming from a die hard independent - my view is the shit from the left has the same smell and attracts the same flies as the shit from the right. Both have been very productive and proficient at producing excessive amounts of said shit into our collective environment.
Believe it or not… When I first was allowed to vote, I was registered Republican. Yup.
But then I wanted to debate those weak messaging Democrats. (They still are actually.) So, in order to debate them, I began reading everything I could about their perspective. And guess what? I realized I was wrong.
I mean, I don’t agree with them 100%… unlike those in MAGALAND, who are incapable of finding a single fault with their orange master, but nonetheless democrats are clearly the only ones holding the Republic together right now.
As for HARD Soviet era propaganda? No. It’s unprecedented from the GOP.
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Stagger if you’re trolling good for you. If this is actually you arguing politics I hope to god you’re not this dumb in your daily life 😂. “I’m an independent” while arguing far left political points the whole time is fucking hilarious. I’m done now. Write your paragraphs and don’t forget the word Orange. It’s hard to argue without it.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Do you believe we’ve been to the moon?〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Nice to meet you, fellow diehard independent.Coming from a die hard independent - my view is the shit from the left has the same smell and lcollective environment.
Believe it or not… When I first was allowed to vote, I was registered Republican. Yup.
But then I wanted to debate those weak messaging Democrats. (They still are actually.) So, in order to debate them, I began reading everything I could about their perspective. And guess what? I realized I was wrong.
I mean, I don’t agree with them 100%… unlike those in MAGALAND, who are incapable of finding a single fault with their orange master, but nonetheless democrats are clearly the only ones holding the Republic together right now.
As for HARD Soviet era propaganda? No. It’s unprecedented from the GOP.
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Intermission Time
Flashback to Dec 25, 2023
DJT on Truth Social: “All Electric Car Lunacy, and so much more, are looking to destroy our once great USA. MAY THEY ROT IN HELL.”
Cars… Rotting in hell?
Say who wha? Now stay with me.
In Mark 10: 17-31 Jesus states that it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God.
Ver. 25 “In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”
But it gets better. Flash forward to a few days ago.
Donnie not only bought an electric Tesla, (as his follower’s 401(k)s are evaporating thanks to his tariffs) he’s promoting Tesla sales at the WH. (Like all former forefathers?)
Oh… and he’s illegally ordered his DOJ, to investigate people who in the free market are dumping the muskrat stock.
Say who wha?
- Flip Flopped on electric cars
- Flaunted his wealth against Jesus’s teaching
- Weaponized the DOJ against Americans, who don’t like Tesla?What in the hey ho? Because you just can’t make this stuff up.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Are you done gnashing your teeth? Do you have anything left? Are you down to smacking your gums?Stagger if you’re trolling good for you. If this is actually you arguing politics I hope to god you’re not this dumb in your daily life 😂. “I’m an independent” while arguing far left political points the whole time is fucking hilarious. I’m done now. Write your paragraphs and don’t forget the word Orange. It’s hard to argue without it.
Would you like me to highlight and make fun of some of the Democrats, that I actually cannot stand?
But if I do, dear boy… You must provide equal criticism of Diaper Donnie.
But you can’t. Know why? Because you are in a cult, my dear boy. Sniffing those orange vapors has wrecked whatever neural network you had. (Didn’t anyone tell you not to sniff glue as a kid?)
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Do you believe we’ve been to the moon?
Bro. I am not going to the moon with you, nor am I going to talk about flat earth stuff.
That has been relegated to the last page of the Internet along with Mermaids, Paul McCartney’s death, Hillary Clinton gobbling up children’s blood in Pizza Hut basements, Jewish space lasers… etc.
I would love to actually have a conversation on UAP’s though. Or a big conversation on Stanley Kubrick, of whom I’m a fanatic about. I’m sure you know he’s a part of the whole moon landing alternate reality stuff? (But I’ll only discuss his films and life of which I am decently acquainted with)
But not in this thread. So if you wanna create one, I may jump in when I can. ✌️
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For the G7 summit … we don’t allow felons and rapists into the country. Trump is both. Will be interesting to see what our new PM allows.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
I was just asking because I’ve noticed a startling correlation with people who bring up Cold War propaganda and the fact they don’t believe in the moon landing. That’s why I asked lmao.Do you believe we’ve been to the moon?
Bro. I am not going to the basements, Jewish space lasers… etc.
I would love to actually have a conversation on UAP’s though. Or a big conversation on Stanley Kubrick, of whom I’m a fanatic about. I’m sure you know he’s a part of the whole moon landing alternate reality stuff? (But I’ll only discuss his films and life of which I am decently acquainted with)
But not in this thread. So if you wanna create one, I may jump in when I can. ✌️
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
And since they are now withholding those Epstein files, it seems something far more sinister may have happened. Something that his buddy Matt Gaetzs may have applauded.For the G7 summit … we don’t allow felons and rapists into the country. Trump is both. Will be interesting to see what our new PM allows.
So we assume… because he was in fact on the Lolita Express 7 times.
Didn’t he… promise to reveal the entire scandal on his first day? What’s taking so long?
“Oh, what a tangled web we weave.”
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If you point your finger at your neighbor on the opposite end of the horseshoe and see only evil while believing yourself to be virtuous, there’s no debate necessary. Everyone who isn’t an extremist can see it plainly. It’s ignorance or malice, one or the other.
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Hey Brad- Interesting. I never heard such a correlation. Not surprising that moon landing conspiracist would use the word “propaganda.”
That said – it’s a very interesting subject, and one that I think everyone should be acquainted with.
Everything by George Orwell is a good place to start. “The art of the euphemism“ is excellent on identifying words that soften reality. “We lost one of our marines to “friendly fire.” Friendly what?
After a while, your ear just notices these things.
blinklist.com. Has some good books if you do a search.
Like I mentioned earlier, the 1/2 truth technique was mastered by the KGB.
“Why yes… that rocket did launch as everyone witnessed. But… know what really happened?”
And there you go. All you need are some plausible lies mixed in with an actual event, and people who are willing to believe such a thing without doing the homework of investigating sources… are hooked.
The QAnon thing was a good example. They even threw some mentalism into the mix. Another topic
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