To those who voted for Trump
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It isn’t a good thing to have a lack of self sustainability. When you become a dependent of another, you acquiesce to their control.
The United States is the largest goods importer in the world. U.S. goods imports from the world totaled $3.2 trillion in 2022, up 14.6 percent ($413.7 billion) from 2021. China was the top supplier of goods to the United States, accounting for 16.5 percent of total goods imports. -
〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
I certainly agree to that. The problem of the US becoming an importer as opposed to an exporter as it used to be, are the companies themselves. They left America for literal slave labor. All because too many Americans were making a good living and buying homes and putting back their money into the economy. It’s called greed. And when CEOs went from making thousands in bonuses to 100’s of millions… There was no going back. Sadly, there are some companies doing the right thing today, but not enough.It isn’t a good thing to have a lack of self sustainability. When you become a dependent of another, you acquiesce to their control.
The United States is the largest goods importer in the world. U.S. goods imports from the world totaled $3.2 trillion in 2022, up 14.6 percent ($413.7 billion) from 2021. China was the top supplier of goods to the United States, accounting for 16.5 percent of total goods imports. -
Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
Rupert Murdoch is now heading into the RINO zone for criticizing the Frankenstein he created.
In his paper, The Wall Street Journal, (Big Brother to Foxy) he called his son’s actions ‘the dumbest tariff plunge’ and his plan the 'dumbest trade war in history'
Whew! Did Hannity even mention this? Or is he shaking in his boots about what to say?
“To offend or not to offend the orange master… that is the question.”
Will Daddy Murdoch soon be banished and labeled, The Grand Rhinoceros? Was he always a democrat anyway?
Maybe, Murdoch is just another “globalist?” Isn’t that the same as a communist? Or socialist? Or a demorat? Or an “enemy of the people”?
Stay tuned as we witness yesterday‘s: “four legs good” becoming “four legs bad.”
(That dumb-dumb Orwell just may have been onto something. And Pavlov too.)
You just can’t make this stuff up.
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Stagger I can agree about way over inflated executive salaries- with that said China as a government owns in whole or in part most of their largest export parent companies. That creates even a larger advantage to them since they are government companies
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China leads the world in trade surplus & it isn’t close. Almost 250% more than 2nd place Germany- then Ireland, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Switzerland & Russia.
For trade deficits
USA is #1 by 1000% over #2 India, the UK, Turkey, France , Phillipines & then Japan.Change is way overdue
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That’s a very interesting point about China as many economists have been bringing up for a while now.
It’s the ultimate irony. They are wildly succeeding in ways their communist counterparts never imagined. (Too many factors to list.)
That said: state control in their case has worked favorably because they have embraced capitalism to a degree that their counterparts never did.
(Well… Putin is aping it, but its more the oligarch remnants from the Soviet Union era Black Market running the show. They basically became a crime syndicate, with Putin at the top of chain. A very bad model that Donnie is trying to implement at the moment.)
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One thing that seems to be on the horizon is China maneuvering to become the world currency. Besides being the foundation of BRICS, they’ve accrued the largest gold reserves.
(Trump is so clueless that he thought Spain was a BRIC member. Talk about a forehead slap.)
It’s likely it will be matter of time before they invite the world off of the petrodollar and back onto gold - especially since the US is now becoming more erratic and unpredictable. Continuity matters when it comes to policy in this disregard.
Republican or democrat, every president and his team have understood the importance of this. It means not only sustaining American power, but economic stability and interests around the globe. Cooperation with allies IS strength.
(This whole notion of Isolating from the “globalists” is literally the stuff of a high school schoolyard. “Yeah man… Let’s bring it all down because you know… These people are the ones who really control us.”)
Oh really? Careful what you wish for kids.
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Because when it does come crashing down and you have no more Internet and the power is flickering and you still can’t afford eggs… it will be too late change your tune. (Welcome to New Amerika)
So like a masterful General, they seem to be playing by the Maxim: “Never interfere with your enemy when they are making a mistake.”
With DJT’s insecure narcissism telegraphing his every move, he’s as easy to read as a whore in a red light district. (No offense to working ladies)
Oh, change is coming. But it’s not what we think.
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Stagger you’re now acknowledging that Trump is awesome for lowering egg and gas prices. Thank you for finally acknowledging this and giving Trump the praise he deserves. It’s nice to see you come around to our side.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I see you’re swallowing the propaganda over at Fox?Stagger you’re now acknowledging that Trump is awesome for lowering egg and gas prices. Thank you for finally acknowledging this and giving Trump the praise he deserves. It’s nice to see you come around to our side.
As much as it pains me, I watch that network along with many others.
Those lines have been regurgitated by every MAGA fan throughout the land. I believe it was Kellyanne Conway, who started that bold face lie? It’s just laughable because none of it is true.
I suppose you believe Trump when he said Zelensky‘s approval rating was only at 4%? Checkmate. It’s at 70%.
There are no facts when it comes to MAGA lsnd.
Please check outside of your confirmation bubble
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Extra, Extra, Don’t Read All About it!
Once again, DJT headed to FL for a “special golf tournament” hosted by the man himself. A sort of mini vacation while the economy is tanking.
Amazingly, he won his own tournament! Apparently the faux gold trophy was already pre-inscribed. It’s like they KNEW he would win ahead of time. Just amazing.
The actual headline blasted by Fox News was: “Trump Wins Golf Championship A Day After Ordering Strikes On Terrorists.” I am impressed.
It’s certainly the kind of stuff that makes leaders like Kim Jong-un extremely jealous.
The message to the common man is so poignant. It almost surpasses when he circled the Daytona 500 in the presidential jet, waving out the window, hoping spectators would wave back.
(His appearance there was actually cheaper than the Super Bowl which used 15 million in taxpayer money. Totally considerate of him especially with all the cuts over at DOGE.)
And you just can’t make this stuff up.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
That’s a very interesting point about China as many economists have been bringing up for a while now.
It’s the ultimate irony. They are wildly succeeding in ways their communist counterparts never imagined. (Too many factors to list.)
That said: state control in their case has worked favorably because they have embraced capitalism to a degree that their counterparts never did.
(Well… Putin is aping it, but its more the oligarch remnants from the Soviet Union era Black Market running the show. They basically became a crime syndicate, with Putin at the top of chain. A very bad model that Donnie is trying to implement at the moment.)
Succeeding in unprecedented scale of daming rivers and building hydroelectric stations- environmental pollution, indentured servitude of govt housing for govt job and government food in exchange for unregulated labor. The socialist dream.
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Modern China is a conundrum for sure. Only two decades ago they were a 3rd world communist crap show with nothing to show, but a growing military, a starving and illiterate citizenship with a keen eye on Hong King. (I personally think handing it over was a huge mistake.)
That said – let’s not muddy the waters between communism and socialism.
There is a big difference that I’m not going into here.
However, one can equally say that communist China is actually a hyper-capitalist’s dream.
“Get as much as you can for as little as you can” pretty much sums up the driver of capitalism.
(For the record, I’m a capitalist who believes that moderate regulation in certain sectors is necessary for lots of reasons)
That said – capitalism without any oversight is a dream for those who want absolute power.
Hello China… where the majority have zero rights. Freely express your mind? You’re gone.
Authoritarianism comes in many flavors. China’s Capitalism is just that.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
So are you for labor in America or against it? I can’t really tell.Because when it does come crashing down and you have no more Internet and the power is flickering and you still can’t afford eggs… it will be too late change your tune. (Welcome to New Amerika)
So like a masterful General, they seem to be playing by the Maxim: “Never interfere with your enemy when they are making a mistake.”
With DJT’s insecure narcissism telegraphing his every move, he’s as easy to read as a whore in a red light district. (No offense to working ladies)
Oh, change is coming. But it’s not what we think.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Let’s put it this way: without unions, America would’ve never have had a middle class. Corporations moving overseas for slave labor has been our downfall. The need for Wall Street to constantly be in a state of a “bull market” is the problem. Anything less is considered a failure on the books. I’ve always been an advocate for something I call a “deer market.” A Scandinavian approach if you will. Where everyone is working and making what they need. Do CEOs really need $100 million bonus? No. It’s obscene𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
So are you for labor in America or against it? I can’t really tell.Because when it does come crashing down and you have no more Internet and the power is flickering and you still can’t afford eggs… it will be too late change your tune. (Welcome to New Amerika)
Oh, change is coming. But it’s not what we think.
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So the corporations need to stop wanting profit. It’s either that or government intervention, right?
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Dude I get it. You like Trump. Tone it down a little. He’s not a god. I am glad you support him though.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I love Trump and I wish he was my dad. I didn’t have a strong male role model growing up. He’s everything that’s great about the world and we need more people like himStagger you’re now acknowledging that Trump is awesome for lowering egg and gas prices. Thank you for finally acknowledging this and giving Trump the praise he deserves. It’s nice to see you come around to our side.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
I never said no one should make a profit. I’m talking about insane profits for the few at the expense of many.So the corporations need to stop wanting profit. It’s either that or government intervention, right?
I.E.
One of the complaints by big businesses such as the Midwest auto industry, who closed operations for places like Mexico: claimed that “unions and their salaries were crushing their profits.”It was absolute nonsense. All of those companies were profiting very well. They COULD pay a living wage. They COULD provide health insurance. They even paid a decent amount of taxes back into the American system from which they benefited.
(Those corporate taxes created additional jobs and valuable services - all now being gutted by DOGE.)
The problem as I stated earlier is the pressure from Wall Street and the need to have profits in what is considered the “bullish zone.”
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Investors get nervous if a company isn’t skyrocketing. And therein lies the rub.
In order to keep everything at skyrocketing profits, companies will keep finding ways to essentially suck the life out of everyone.
- lowering/stagnating wages
- bare minimum healthcare
- Price gouging/shrink inflation
- Low taxesAll under the promise of “trickle down economics.” But nothing trickles down. It floats back up to the top into the hands of the few.
There’s quite a few economists tracking this. I would recommend Thomas Piketty who’s been crunching data for decades. And the numbers don’t lie.
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At a quick glance, the days of a single income earner, like a father supporting a family of four are gone. It’s now typically a working couple to support a single child if they are lucky.
The cost of living has outpace the reality of their double earnings.
And yet – we are seeing a mere few at the top consolidating both power and the profits.
As I also said earlier, three billionaires in the current administration have more wealth than the lower part of 170 million Americans. That’s half the country. Three people? We need to think about that number.
The irony is that many of them reaped profits not only by unscrupulous practices, but by sucking money from the taxpayers in the form of “subsidies”
How’s that for irony? The ultimate form of “socialism“
Elon Musk receives 8 million a DAY from taxpayers. I think people really need to sit and think about that number too.
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All this said – there are some CEOs and companies doing good things. And those are the ones I applaud.
I would cite Dan Price who cut his own salary to give all of his employees a minimum wage of at least $70,000 per year. His company’s revenue initially tripled.
And then guess what happened during the pandemic? Like many businesses, they almost went under. But because the employees were treated so well, everyone agreed to a salary cut during that time until they could get the place back on track. Now that’s the kind of quality businesses we need more of.
- Businesses where CEOs don’t hoard everything and pay their employees fairly.
- offer substantial healthcare
- Offer matched 401(k)
- Offer crucial perks like maternity leave, etc.At the end of the day, this benefits everyone. Not just a few. Remember, money goes into circulation. The more money in people‘s pockets, the better off the system.
As for reigning in the ugly ones? Well… That would be “regulations” and paying their fair share of taxes
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Does musk receive 8 million per day in Govt checks- NO he doesn’t. Does the companies he oversees have government contracts & green energy incentive credits- they do to expand commercial space industries and decrease dependency on fossil fuels. Things the left have long supported the government in encouraging. Please don’t mislead by saying the money is directed to the person & not the companies
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If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more people into extreme poverty and decrease the middle classes into poverty. The $200,000 given to each household would decrease the buying power of $200,000 and a wheelbarrow would be needed to transport your money to buy groceries each week.
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Exactly. That’s what a subsidy is. And why I said it. A subsidy is not a personal check. However, once the money is received, he can determine how to use it. It can become a personal piggy bank. In fact, he got rid of the people who were checking into his businesses. Now isn’t that interesting?Does musk receive 8 million per day in Govt checks- NO he doesn’t. Does the companies he oversees have government contracts & green energy incentive credits- they do to expand commercial space industries and decrease dependency on fossil fuels. Things the left have long supported the government in encouraging. Please don’t mislead by saying the money is directed to the person & not the companies
I just find it ironic how so many Trump supporters are regurgitating rhetoric about “their taxes”. God forbid if Grandma needs a check up under Medicare. What a bum, right? Meanwhile… There goes Muskrat soaking it all up.
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Plunging everyone into poverty… Is absolute rubbish. Is the kind of nonsensical rhetoric we’re getting from the Heritage foundation.If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more people into extreme poverty and decrease the middle classes into poverty. The $200,000 given to each household would decrease the buying power of $200,000 and a wheelbarrow would be needed to transport your money to buy groceries each week.
And anyway, I never mentioned handouts. I’m talking about fair wages. -
𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
I eat corn the long way.If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more people into extreme poverty and decrease the middle classes into poverty. The $200,000 given to each household would decrease the buying power of $200,000 and a wheelbarrow would be needed to transport your money to buy groceries each week.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I will happily engage you if you get a little serious. But all I’m seeing are empty trolling jabs. As for corn it seems like you’re swallowing and regurgitating slogans and tiny talking points put into your head? That said – let’s discuss the term MAGA. How about a specific time to go back to? I dunno… 1859?𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
I eat corn the long way.If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more people into extreme poverty and decrease the middle classes into poverty. The $200,000 given to each household would decrease the buying power of $200,000 and a wheelbarrow .
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
If every had 200,000- let’s say 50% use it towards buying a home. The price of homes would immediately skyrocket & thru supply and demand, value of that 200,000 plummet〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Plunging everyone into poverty… Is absolute rubbish. Is the kind of nonsensical rhetoric we’re getting from the Heritage foundation.If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more people into extreme poverty and decrease the middle classes into poverty. The $200,000 given to each household would decrease the buying power of $200,000 and a wheelbarrow would be needed to transport your money to buy groceries each week.
And anyway, I never mentioned handouts. I’m talking about fair wages. -
Value of something is determined by how much is available and what someone is willing to pay. With more people having more money, the cost of goods skyrockets- the basis of inflation
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Again, I’m not talking about handing out money. I’m talking about wages like they used to be. A time when Americans had greater purchasing power𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
If every had 200,000- let’s say 50% use it towards buying a home. The price of homes would immediately skyrocket & thru supply and demand, value of that 200,000 plummet〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Plunging everyone into poverty… Is absolute rubbish. Is the kind of nonsensical rhetoric we’re getting from the Heritage foundation.If the world’s top 5 richest individuals conspired to give every household on earth $200,000. Would it increase the standard of living and ease poverty? NO, it would not. In fact a case to be made would be that it would plunge more
And anyway, I never mentioned handouts. I’m talking about fair wages.
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