To those who voted for Trump
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Do you believe we’ve been to the moon?〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Nice to meet you, fellow diehard independent.Coming from a die hard independent - my view is the shit from the left has the same smell and lcollective environment.
Believe it or not… When I first was allowed to vote, I was registered Republican. Yup.
But then I wanted to debate those weak messaging Democrats. (They still are actually.) So, in order to debate them, I began reading everything I could about their perspective. And guess what? I realized I was wrong.
I mean, I don’t agree with them 100%… unlike those in MAGALAND, who are incapable of finding a single fault with their orange master, but nonetheless democrats are clearly the only ones holding the Republic together right now.
As for HARD Soviet era propaganda? No. It’s unprecedented from the GOP.
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Intermission Time
Flashback to Dec 25, 2023
DJT on Truth Social: “All Electric Car Lunacy, and so much more, are looking to destroy our once great USA. MAY THEY ROT IN HELL.”
Cars… Rotting in hell?
Say who wha? Now stay with me.
In Mark 10: 17-31 Jesus states that it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God.
Ver. 25 “In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”
But it gets better. Flash forward to a few days ago.
Donnie not only bought an electric Tesla, (as his follower’s 401(k)s are evaporating thanks to his tariffs) he’s promoting Tesla sales at the WH. (Like all former forefathers?)
Oh… and he’s illegally ordered his DOJ, to investigate people who in the free market are dumping the muskrat stock.
Say who wha?
- Flip Flopped on electric cars
- Flaunted his wealth against Jesus’s teaching
- Weaponized the DOJ against Americans, who don’t like Tesla?What in the hey ho? Because you just can’t make this stuff up.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Are you done gnashing your teeth? Do you have anything left? Are you down to smacking your gums?Stagger if you’re trolling good for you. If this is actually you arguing politics I hope to god you’re not this dumb in your daily life 😂. “I’m an independent” while arguing far left political points the whole time is fucking hilarious. I’m done now. Write your paragraphs and don’t forget the word Orange. It’s hard to argue without it.
Would you like me to highlight and make fun of some of the Democrats, that I actually cannot stand?
But if I do, dear boy… You must provide equal criticism of Diaper Donnie.
But you can’t. Know why? Because you are in a cult, my dear boy. Sniffing those orange vapors has wrecked whatever neural network you had. (Didn’t anyone tell you not to sniff glue as a kid?)
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Do you believe we’ve been to the moon?
Bro. I am not going to the moon with you, nor am I going to talk about flat earth stuff.
That has been relegated to the last page of the Internet along with Mermaids, Paul McCartney’s death, Hillary Clinton gobbling up children’s blood in Pizza Hut basements, Jewish space lasers… etc.
I would love to actually have a conversation on UAP’s though. Or a big conversation on Stanley Kubrick, of whom I’m a fanatic about. I’m sure you know he’s a part of the whole moon landing alternate reality stuff? (But I’ll only discuss his films and life of which I am decently acquainted with)
But not in this thread. So if you wanna create one, I may jump in when I can. ✌️
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For the G7 summit … we don’t allow felons and rapists into the country. Trump is both. Will be interesting to see what our new PM allows.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
I was just asking because I’ve noticed a startling correlation with people who bring up Cold War propaganda and the fact they don’t believe in the moon landing. That’s why I asked lmao.Do you believe we’ve been to the moon?
Bro. I am not going to the basements, Jewish space lasers… etc.
I would love to actually have a conversation on UAP’s though. Or a big conversation on Stanley Kubrick, of whom I’m a fanatic about. I’m sure you know he’s a part of the whole moon landing alternate reality stuff? (But I’ll only discuss his films and life of which I am decently acquainted with)
But not in this thread. So if you wanna create one, I may jump in when I can. ✌️
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
And since they are now withholding those Epstein files, it seems something far more sinister may have happened. Something that his buddy Matt Gaetzs may have applauded.For the G7 summit … we don’t allow felons and rapists into the country. Trump is both. Will be interesting to see what our new PM allows.
So we assume… because he was in fact on the Lolita Express 7 times.
Didn’t he… promise to reveal the entire scandal on his first day? What’s taking so long?
“Oh, what a tangled web we weave.”
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If you point your finger at your neighbor on the opposite end of the horseshoe and see only evil while believing yourself to be virtuous, there’s no debate necessary. Everyone who isn’t an extremist can see it plainly. It’s ignorance or malice, one or the other.
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Hey Brad- Interesting. I never heard such a correlation. Not surprising that moon landing conspiracist would use the word “propaganda.”
That said – it’s a very interesting subject, and one that I think everyone should be acquainted with.
Everything by George Orwell is a good place to start. “The art of the euphemism“ is excellent on identifying words that soften reality. “We lost one of our marines to “friendly fire.” Friendly what?
After a while, your ear just notices these things.
blinklist.com. Has some good books if you do a search.
Like I mentioned earlier, the 1/2 truth technique was mastered by the KGB.
“Why yes… that rocket did launch as everyone witnessed. But… know what really happened?”
And there you go. All you need are some plausible lies mixed in with an actual event, and people who are willing to believe such a thing without doing the homework of investigating sources… are hooked.
The QAnon thing was a good example. They even threw some mentalism into the mix. Another topic
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
You mean like this?If you point your finger at your neighbor on the opposite end of the horseshoe and see only evil while believing yourself to be virtuous, there’s no debate necessary. Everyone who isn’t an extremist can see it plainly. It’s ignorance or malice, one or the other.
Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. What if someone says, "Well that's not how I choose to think about water." All we can do is appeal to scientific values.
And if he doesn't share those values, the conversation is over. If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?? -
𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Exactly my point.Brown🎵Note wrote:
You mean like this?If you point your finger at your neighbor on the opposite end of the horseshoe and see only evil while believing yourself to be virtuous, there’s no debate necessary. Everyone who isn’t an extremist can see it plainly. It’s ignorance or malice, one or the other.
Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. What if someone says, "Well that's not how I choose to think about water." All we can do is appeal to scientific values.
And if he doesn't share those values, the conversation is over. If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?? -
Being on either end of the horseshoe is the same mental illness. “Half the country is stupid, and it’s not my half.” Both sides say it, and it’s true.
Anything more than a quarter off center is the stupid half.
As soon as you replace your own reasoning with political talking points, it’s over. ..And you admit to doing so. Same thing the MAGA folks do.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Here’s the real mental illness. The inability to say “I could be wrong.”Being on either end of the horseshoe is the same mental illness. “Half the country is stupid, and it’s not my half.” Both sides say it, and it’s true.
Anything more than a quarter off center is the stupid half.
As soon as you replace your own reasoning with political talking points, it’s over. ..And you admit to doing so. Same thing the MAGA folks do.
That simple quality which sprung from The Age of Enlightenment gave us everything we have today.
It pushed religious dogma back into the dirt where it belonged. It gave us science. It gave us the founding fathers of America.
Just because someone says “you’re not logical” doesn’t mean it is so until it is actually proven. But not anymore. Everyone is a genius.
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Babye Protections
FTC: Federal Trade Commission: Gutted. The foxes are fully in the henhouse.
All investigations into companies like Amazon along with the guidance statement for consumers as to how to get help… if they’ve been screwed over… have been taken down from the website. And multiple people fired. You know… Those “evil socialist bureaucrats.”
The FTC established over 110 years ago to help protect Americans from deceptive or unfair business and even unfair methods of competition is null and void.
“What’s that you say ma’am? Lead in my toothpaste is affecting your child’s health? So what? We all do it. Quiet or I’ll have you arrested for slander!”
Realistically? There is no one to call now.
The crazy part is that back in the day when the FTC was created, the average Joe cheered because someone was finally there for them.
Today? You’ve got an entire section of America that will be cheering for more lead in their toothpaste.
And you just can’t make this stuff up.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Being on either end of the horseshoe is the same mental illness. “Half the country is stupid, and it’s not my half.” Both sides say it, and it’s true.
Anything more than a quarter off center is the stupid half.
As soon as you replace your own reasoning with political talking points, it’s over. ..And you admit to doing so. Same thing the MAGA folks do.
Amen- voter fraud conspiracy, Steele dossier conspiracy- which conspiracy theories are based in truth and which are propaganda fueling an agenda to disenfranchise. Shit on one side is the same shit on the other
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Stagger- was the FTC gutted or eliminated entirely? What about their 3 sub commissions/ bureaus for consumer protections? Are you also aware that each state also has their version of both the FTC and consumer protection bureaus? How many bureaucrats do we need looking at Amazon? Most complaints and lawsuits are driven by state lawsuits- they usually become federal oversight when multiple states join in as a class action lawsuit takes place & Congress applies the pressure.
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
I don’t know. You tell me. America is comprised of roughly 350,000,000 people. Say only 1 million needed help? How many agents would we need for that? But really your question is a distraction from a bigger reality going on here.Stagger- was the FTC gutted or eliminated entirely? What about their 3 sub commissions/ bureaus for consumer protections? Are you also aware that each state also has their version of both the FTC and consumer protection bureaus? How many bureaucrats do we need looking at Amazon? Most complaints and lawsuits are driven by state lawsuits- they usually become federal oversight when multiple states join in as a class action lawsuit takes place & Congress applies the pressure.
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This is a point that I support the Repubs. The UNITED states republic democracy. Where the Feds enact laws and policies & the courts determine constitutionality. Where states are free to go above and beyond federal mandates and regulations as long as they are constitutionally upheld. The issue is the states take on the fiscal responsibility for anything above the federal requirements. Politicians have avoided that and issued federal funds in the name of policy grants and initiatives to assist partisan agendas in the states who have gone above and beyond but cannot afford it. Power should be at local and state level with Fed oversight. It should not be dictated to local governments by the Feds. I have a to. Of case in point examples
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Ever hear of corruption at the local level? Are you familiar with the history of corrupt sheriffs and things like… Oh, I don’t know lynching?This is a point that I support the Repubs. The UNITED states republic democracy. Where the Feds enact laws and policies & the courts determine constitutionality. Where states are free to go above and beyond federal mandates and regulations as long as they are constitutionally upheld. The issue is the states take on the fiscal responsibility for anything above the federal requirements. Politicians have avoided that and issued federal funds in the name of policy grants and initiatives to assist partisan agendas in the states who have gone above and beyond but cannot afford it. Power should be at local and state level with Fed oversight. It should not be dictated to local governments by the Feds. I have a to. Of case in point examples
Thats is the purpose of having Federal Laws.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote: Ever hear of corruption at the local level? Are you familiar with the history of corrupt sheriffs and things like… Oh, I don’t know lynching?
Well no, that’s not quite correct. Federal laws are mostly there to govern issues that cross state boundaries, really. States have full jurisdiction over “corrupt” sheriffs, and “lynching” is already illegal at every local and state level. It’s called murder.Thats is the purpose of having Federal Laws.
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So the citizens of Wyoming federal tax dollars should be used for funding California specific mandates that go beyond federal requirements? Such as the 7-9 billion current shortfall of state funds to cover their iteration of Medicaid services that other states don’t provide. Previously funded by the feds by grants, initiatives and covid money. Project roomkey as another example of state mandate that used federal funds for a state specific mandate
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And feral laws continue to exist to address corruption, murder and civil rights violations - upheld by the Supreme Court and prosecuted in both state and federal court systems. Lynching is illegal & the FBI and DOJ continue to exist. Not sure what your argument is about when referencing that. Corruption exists at every level and laws pertaining to such remain on the books
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Check out how the Feds and state went after the City of Commerce about a decade ago. Mandated no new homes or apartments and friends and family were the only ones allowed to live there whilst councilmen and mayors took kickbacks for construction, utilities, garbage and other city contracts
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To say that “corruption” is being handled at the local level is just absurd. There are countless cases around the country where local citizens need the aid of the federal government. That’s why these agencies were created in the first place.
Indeed lynchings are illegal. But did you know a few of them have happened in the last decade?
The FBI? Have you seen what’s going on over there under the new regime? Patel has been ordered by the wannabe mob boss to eliminate the agents who gathered evidence against the criminals who ransacked the capital and attacked police. You know… The ones that were freed in the hopes of putting on Brown shirts in the near future?
But of course… We know you’re not going to call them criminals right?
There’s a real nasty truth underlying the entire MAGA movement that we really need to get to. Dare we say 1930s Germany? Yes.
All this stuff about gutting the government has nothing to do with efficiency at all, my friend. The plan is in plain sight.
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Why are there so many “new money” legislators in the federal government? It’s because the federal government is so good at policing corruption.
State and local government.. Not just for Republicans.
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I do call the 1-6 vandals criminals- they broke the law -damaged, injured and some even responsible for murder. Point Blank- it was a crime & prosecution of those who broke the law needs to occur. Lynchings you mentioned have occurred- let’s be blunt murder is illegal- despite laws on the books- they still occur- laws prohibiting murder doesn’t make them disappear- the consequences and punishment serves as the public deterrent. The movement for community rehabilitation and less imprisonment lessens the social deterrent
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But I suppose it is ok with some for criminals getting slaps on the wrist because they had an absent father or subjected to bullying as a youth, have depression or affected by substance use
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
False equivalency and strawman argument combinedBut I suppose it is ok with some for criminals getting slaps on the wrist because they had an absent father or subjected to bullying as a youth, have depression or affected by substance use
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Should the rioters be criminally investigated, charged and adjudicated for the mass arsons, theft, property damage that occurred during BLM’s hey days? What about the governors, mayors and congressmen who publicly supported their illegal use violence and destruction and didn’t publicly condemn the illegal actions? A sense of it’s good for me but not for thee- does exist.
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Is violence used as a final bastion for a group’s protest socially for injustice justifiable or is it just reserved for certain groups or beliefs? The law makes no such distinction. The lawyers and prosecutors add nuance and spin to sway public opinion of justifications- but an illegal protest is still an illegal protest, arson is arson, property damage damage and injury is still property damage and injury
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