To those who voted for Trump
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⚸яѻɢɛʀ✞тɦǟȶ⛧ wrote:
If we didn’t force people to pay into SS, some/many would save nothing. If this were the case, what would be the US’ obligation to them in old age when they could not work? To what age would be the expectation that they worked, till death? Are we going to let people starve and die because they didn’t have savings?
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You have a very minimal understanding of economics. And you’re forgetting the major goal of tariffs. To encourage American made and bought products. This in the long term, will make us very wealthy and more independent. If you do not want to look at foreign trade since ww2 (when it became unfair) that’s on you.
But to say that I’m incorrect is hilarious. Because what I told you is what a variety of fiduciaries have told me, what I’ve heard from consulting firms, and various other professionals. Keep arguing with yourself from this point forward.
I addressed everything you’ve asked. You have failed to retort to institutions with money linked to Vangaurd and BlackRock placing put options.
I thought facts matter to you?
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Persephone: The executive order allowing for the cutting down of forests is not addressing “tree huggers.”
It’s about giving carte blanche to companies who could give a crap less about national parks or devaluing certain communities that may not want the forests behind their properties destroyed.
We already have allocated portions of land for that purpose.
Frankly, if Republicans had any balls, they would legalize hemp, which would reduce a considerable amount of our lumber needs. (the paper part.)
(Remember everyone: The Constitution was written on hemp paper. And the ropes used during World War II were created by hemp plants.)
All this said – it’s astonishing that anyone can be happy to see the environment destroyed… Where it doesn’t need to be. It’s de-facto psychotic if you ask me.
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Did you see my post about overseas American made products“?You have a very minimal understanding of economics. And you’re forgetting the major goal of tariffs. To encourage American made and bought products. This in the long term, will make us very wealthy and more independent. If you do not want to look at foreign trade since ww2 (when it became unfair) that’s on you.
But to say that I’m incorrect is hilarious. Because what I told you is what a variety of fiduciaries have told me, what I’ve heard from consulting firms, and various other professionals. Keep arguing with yourself from this point forward.
I addressed everything you’ve asked. You have failed to retort to institutions with money linked to Vangaurd and BlackRock placing put options.
I thought facts matter to you?
Companies who left decades ago - are not going to get Americans to work for less than $100 a month. I guarantee
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Please give me numbers on these tariffs. And tell me how they are rectifying some grand injustice.You have a very minimal understanding of economics. And you’re forgetting the major goal of tariffs. To encourage American made and bought products. This in the long term, will make us very wealthy and more independent. If you do not want to look at foreign trade since ww2 (when it became unfair) that’s on you.
But to say that I’m incorrect is hilarious. Because what I told you is what a variety of fiduciaries have told me, what I’ve heard from consulting firms, and various other professionals. Keep arguing with yourself from this point forward.
I addressed everything you’ve asked. You have failed to retort to institutions with money linked to Vangaurd and BlackRock placing put options.
I thought facts matter to you?
You did not
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
So your point is that “trade has been unfair between America and the world” which in economics terms would mean you import more from eg Ireland than you export to Ireland. Still with me? Because I have some crayons…...
Anyway, this shows how dependent America is on its trading partners. You solution to this problem is to pay more for your imports, because that’s what a tariff is, it’s a fee that *you* as the consumer end up paying.
In summary: American people buy lots of products from outside america. Trump tells them “this is bad and I’m gonna fix it” and tries to do this by passing extra costs for your stuff back to you.
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Uglyladdie wrote:
What extra costs have I been blessed with? I’m very eager to hear what they might be from someone who knows nothing about me lol. And no, actually, you’re not following correctly at all. Look up all of the tariffs and margins and voluntary penalties we took for nearly all trade deals with Europe starting from the late 1940’s and onwards to today. We blessed them with handouts to recover from the nasty war. This should go on no more𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
So your point is that “trade has been unfair between America and the world” which in economics terms would mean you import more from eg Ireland than you export to Ireland. Still with me? Because I have some crayons…...
Anyway, this shows what a tariff is, it’s a fee that *you* as the consumer end up paying.
In summary: American people buy lots tries to do this by passing extra costs for your stuff back to you.
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And that is just one example. The United States and its people want FAIR deals. If this causes turbulence or “omg we’re gonna start a trade war” (never will happen) for the time being, then so be it. We voted for this, we want this. I, incredibly so, have no doubts so far which is better than I was expecting.
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If you’d like me to step up the “facts” and the verbiage,
While U.S. tariffs on European steel and aluminum imposed in 2018 under Trump were framed as a response to national security concerns, they reignited debates about longstanding trade imbalances. Europe retaliated with tariffs on U.S. goods like bourbon and motorcycles, but the underlying grievance from the U.S. was a persistent trade deficit $155.8 billion in goods with the EU in 2023, according to Eurostat. Critics argue that Europe’s lower tariffs on U.S. services (where the U.S. has a surplus) don’t offset restrictions on goods like cars (10% EU tariff vs. 2.5% U.S. tariff), perpetuating an uneven deal.
A recurring theme in U.S. critiques is the trade deficit with Europe, which has grown over time. While the U.S. enjoys a surplus in services ($104 billion in 2023 per Eurostat), the goods deficit has fueled claims of unfairness, especially in sectors like automotive and agriculture where Europe maintains higher barriers.
Europe taking advantage.
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
You are parroting stuff from Trump that is untrue. “Fair”?And that is just one example. The United States and its people want FAIR deals. If this causes turbulence or “omg we’re gonna start a trade war” (never will happen) for the time being, then so be it. We voted for this, we want this. I, incredibly so, have no doubts so far which is better than I was expecting.
I repeat: Trump claims that a tariff is a tax on a foreign country. That is 100% FALSE.Tariffs are fees on imported goods - paid by the importer. That means US businesses paying more for incoming goods. That fee is passed on to the consumer.
And that’s it. This is textbook stuff. End of story.
Tariffs were the cause of the great depression. They have nothing to do with equalizing an injustice against the U.S.
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Trump’s not “passing costs back to you”—he’s fighting a war against a rigged system where Europe’s been laughing all the way to the bank while we eat their trade deficits. You wanna talk costs? How about the cost of millions of American jobs gutted by cheap foreign imports because limp-wristed politicians wouldn’t grow a pair? Tariffs level the damn playing field—Europe wants to play hardball with their CAP and digital taxes, then they can kiss their free ride goodbye. We’ll make our own stuff, bring back factories, and tell the EU to shove it. It’s better for the long term.
Not to mention all of the business returning their manufacturing to the USA as well as investing billions lol.
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Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Trump delayed the tariffs so yes that does make sense….Uglyladdie wrote:
What extra costs have I been blessed with? I’m very eager to hear what they might be from someone who knows nothing about me lol. And no, actually, you’re not following correctly at all. Look𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
So your point is that “trade has been unfair between America and the world” which in economics terms would mean you import more from eg Ireland than you export to Ireland. Still with me? Because I have some crayons…...
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Also Marshall aid is over so if you can give evidence of America “giving handouts” to Europe in the present day that would be appreciated.Also yeah trump might start a trade war, just speculation on my part though, neither of us knows for sure since trump likes to do 180s on his plans
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Uglyladdie wrote:
Read above. I can provide more.𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Trump delayed the tariffs so yes that does make sense….Uglyladdie wrote:
What extra costs have I been blessed with? I’m very eager to hear what they might be from someone who knows nothing about me lol. And no, actually, you’re not following correctly at all. Look𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
So your point is that “trade has been unfair between America and the world” which in economics terms would mean you import more from eg Ireland than you export to Ireland. Still with me? Because I have some crayons…...
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Also Marshall aid is over so if you can give evidence of America “giving handouts” tEurope in the present day that would be appreciated.Also yeah trump might start a to do 180s on his plans
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
They don’t. Even a little. Makes me think they weren’t around to see the devastation NAFTA caused to American workers.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
What’s absolutely crazy is that the current admin is actually fighting for these people and wants what’s best for them. But they’d rather spit shine Zelensky’s cock or pretend Biden was sharp as a tack. 🤣🤣𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
They don’t. Even a little. Makes me think they weren’t around to see the devastation NAFTA caused to American workers.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Read above but don’t see how those are “handouts” like the point about American jobs outcompeted by cheap foreign labour, I don’t see that as a handout just a government with more lax human rights laws and corporations taking advantageUglyladdie wrote:
Read above. I can provide more.𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Uglyladdie wrote:
What extra costs have I been blessed with?𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
So your point is that “trade has been unfair between America and the world” which in economics terms would mean you import more from eg Ireland than you export to Ireland. Still with me? Because I have some crayons…...
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hand·out
/ˈhandˌout/
noun
noun: handout; plural noun: handouts; noun: hand-out; plural noun: hand-outs
1.
something given free to a person or organization.I used the term hand out because it’s an unfair deals where they benefit more than we do. - a stupid decision by the leadership of the country. A more accurate way of using handout would be what we provide to people who come here illegally or the money we send to Israel and Ukraine.
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📣 let it be known that their rebuttal was “handout isn’t a completely accurate term for these shitty deals” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Completely inaccurate. My rebuttal can be summed up with “corporations are good at business and you’re whining about it”📣 let it be known that their rebuttal was “handout isn’t a completely accurate term for these shitty deals” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
You have yet to pick apart one single point that I’ve made.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
You have yet to use any facts to back up the parroting of DJT’s statements.
You have yet to use any historical examples to back up your statements.
All we’ve gotten is a rambling ready-made script that you didn’t even write.
Frightening actually.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
There’s plenty to look up if you want the history of tariffs. For the ultimate test on history: Please refer to the Great Depression of which tariffs played a major part.
The whole premise of tariffs, rectifying some “injustice” by other nations… Is patently false. He has done nothing to fix an imaginary problem.
It’s literally like he’s asking the fire department to spray down a house that isn’t on fire.
“There now! I put that fire out!” Uhhh. Not really Donnie.
So… I’m still looking for this fire that Donnie is talking about if anybody could explain it to me. This is horrible injustice that needs to be rectified.
I’m sure WWI had nothing to do with the Great Depression after governments worldwide spent unprecedented amounts and inflation was out of control
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
I’ve produced an example for everything I’ve said so far. Others could read it, not sure why you can’t 🤣𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
You have yet to pick apart one single point that I’ve made.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
You have yet to use any facts to back up the parroting of DJT’s statements.
You have yet to use any historical examples to back up your statements.
All we’ve gotten is a rambling ready-made script that you didn’t even write.
Frightening actually.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
That is the problem with short term thinkers and government- why solve problems when you have blank checks to write & others can deal with the fallout long after you are gone.Trump‘s other BS argument: jobs will come back to America?
Really? How long will it take for companies to set up shop again?
You know… Build a bunch of factories here and there to get production rolling?
Oh… But then there’s a little snag: The American worker will not work for less than $100 a month.
CEOs definitely won’t be getting those hundred million dollar bonuses. And they will certainly have a lot of explaining to do to their investors.
But hey… Maybe the whole point of crashing the economy is so that Americans will work for less than $100 a month?
Who the fudge knows with this 6x bankruptcy clown?
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Uglyladdie wrote:
These whiny corporations go elsewhere cause it’s cheaper. Right?𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
Completely inaccurate. My rebuttal can be summed up with “corporations are good at business and you’re whining about it”📣 let it be known that their rebuttal was “handout isn’t a completely accurate term for these shitty deals” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Soooo…. Wouldn’t it make sense to.. you know like… make it better and incentivize them to stay here in the USA? Which is what Trump has been saying? Which is why they’re moving manufacturing here and investing billions to… you know what, you’re a lost cause buddy lol.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Are you done arguing that social security is awesome or are we only arguing about tariffs now?𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
You have yet to pick apart one single point that I’ve made.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
You have yet to use any facts to back up the parroting of DJT’s statements.
You have yet to use any historical examples to back up your statements.
All we’ve gotten is a rambling ready-made script that you didn’t even write.
Frightening actually.
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Dude asked for examples, I pasted from the source directly, and now he’s “literally shaking” and wetting his pants because I didn’t write it myself. :|
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
And there was a hush over the audience. Someone whispered: “ Dunning–Kruger effect?”𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
They don’t. Even a little. Makes me think they weren’t around to see the devastation NAFTA caused to American workers.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
And there was a hush over the audience. Someone whispered: “ Dunning–Kruger effect?”𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
They don’t. Even a little. Makes me think they weren’t around to see the devastation NAFTA caused to American workers.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Sorry, what would you like to debate? Tariffs you said? Yeah, no one answered a single thing about it yet.𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Are you done arguing that social security is awesome or are we only arguing about tariffs now?𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
You have yet to pick apart one single point that I’ve made.Yall genuinely have no idea how this works
You have yet to use any facts to back up the parroting of DJT’s statements.
You have yet to use any historical examples to back up your statements.
All we’ve gotten is a rambling ready-made script that you didn’t even write.
Frightening actually.
Still waiting on maybe a little history and a few facts as to how tariffs are going to benefit the United States.
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