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∞ᐯ工丂乇尺工Ⓞᑎ∞ wrote:
Ah. What city are you in? You can order cleaning supplies online.Mystery wrote:
The virus arrived today***∞ᐯ工丂乇尺工Ⓞᑎ∞ wrote:
You arrived where from where? Schools are just beginning to close? Seems kind of late. They finally closed all the bars here. Restaurants are delivery only. I assume that means other entertainment, like the movies, are closed too. Our grocery stores are staying open and plan to stay open - they are even hiring, lol. I haven’t been to the store but they say they are keeping stocked. Towards that end they are also limiting the number of any one thing a person can buy at a time. That’s smart though - stops or cuts down on the hoarding.Just arrived in my city today and there are no cleaning supplies anywhere and schools have begun to close.
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we have destroyed our economy, put tons out of work/school all over this disease. We have to look at the cost/benefit analysis of this.
40,000 people every year die in car accidents in the United States. If we lowered the speed limit to 10 very few people would die. Possibly 0. But we don’t do that. Even though we could save 40,000 people a year. Why? Cost/benefit analysis. We’ve decided it’s more important to get where we’re going quickly than to save 40,000 innocent people.
I don’t know how you can look at what this is going to do to families and businesses and think we’re on the correct side of the analysis here.
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If anyone really needs a job, I recommend checking your local grocery stores. Ours around here are hiring. I also heard about Amazon:
“We are opening 100,000 new full and part-time positions across the U.S. in our fulfillment centers and delivery network to meet the surge in demand from people relying on Amazon’s service during this stressful time, particularly those most vulnerable to being out in public.
In the U.S., we will be adding an additional $2 USD per hour worked through April from our current rate of $15/hour or more, depending on the region, C$2 in Canada, £2 per hour in the UK, and approximately €2 per hour in many EU countries.“
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Because of past histories of epidemics. Nothing about this is or will be easy.we have destroyed our economy, put tons out of work/school all over this disease. We have to look at the cost/benefit analysis of this.
40,000 people every year die in car accidents in the United States. If we lowered the speed limit to 10 very few people would die. Possibly 0. But we don’t do that. Even though we could save 40,000 people a year. Why? Cost/benefit analysis. We’ve decided it’s more important to get where we’re going quickly than to save 40,000 innocent people.
I don’t know how you can look at what this is going to do to families and businesses and think we’re on the correct side of the analysis here.
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WOW - Gov Newsome (a very progressive lib) on radio speaking of a discussion with Trump (and giving Trump a lot of praise). Said a few things that were eye opening
1- Govt needs to retool and support local manufacturing to maintain integrity of supplies within local communities, not seen since WWII
2- Schools may not be re-opened & challenge is to reimagine how we live and redesign, engineer and imagine our current society instead of relying on merely modifying existing buildings, facilities and infrastructure. The needs of tomorrow aren’t best served with yesterday’s tools.
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∞🪓Persephone🌲∞ wrote:
Number two seems super extreme for something with a 99% survival rate. It’s got a 93% survival rate among sick people right now. That’s not counting all the people who are carrying it without symptoms. So the rate is likely in the 99% range. South Korea who is testing everyone sick or not has a survival rate of 99.4% but we’re talking about permanent closing of schools. This is the shit I’m talking aboutWOW - Gov Newsome (a very progressive lib) on radio speaking of a discussion with Trump (and giving Trump a lot of praise). Said a few things that were eye opening
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2- Schools may not be re-opened & challenge is to reimagine how we live and redesign, engineer and imagine our current society instead of relying on merely modifying existing buildings, facilities and infrastructure. The needs of tomorrow aren’t best served with yesterday’s tools.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
we have destroyed our economy, put tons out of work/school all over this disease. We have to look at the cost/benefit analysis of this.
40,000 people every year die in car accidents in the United States. If we lowered the speed limit to 10 very few people would die. Possibly 0. But we don’t do that. Even though we could save 40,000 people a year. Why? Cost/benefit analysis. We’ve decided it’s more important to get where we’re going quickly than to save 40,000 innocent people.
I don’t know how you can look at what this is going to do to families and businesses and think we’re on the correct side of the analysis here.
‘Peace in our time’ said Mr. Chamberlain. You’re at war, gear up now.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I’m with Viking on this one. This isn’t bubonic plague or the 1918 Spanish Flu. I don’t understand why we would need to “modify our existing buildings.” Modify them for what?? I saw one prediction that schools might have to close for 2 years. Even that seems extreme to me. Look at China - they’ve only got 13 new cases today. They had a hellish 4 months but the disease seems to be settling down. It’s possible COVID could end up being seasonal, like the flu. It’s also possible people that have had it may develop an immunity to it, like with Polio. They are also working on coming up with a vaccine for COVID. I realize once they figure it out it will still take time to test, etc. but IMO there’s no reason to jump to such extreme scenarios as permanent school closures.∞🪓Persephone🌲∞ wrote:
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Mystery wrote:
Unless this was the plan all along to get rid of traditional education and go to an online format where the government can control and monitor the message being sent to each classroom.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
there’s no reason to jump to such extreme scenarios as permanent school closures.∞🪓Persephone🌲∞ wrote:
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Not saying it’s a giant conspiracy theory but let’s be honest the cia has done crazier things.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Play your cards right and this will be a great buying opportunity - low interest rates, stocks are going to bottom out, oil is cheap as hell, etc. Unless you are retiring in the next 2-4 years this shouldn’t hit *that hard*.we have destroyed our economy, put tons out of work/school all over this disease. We have to look at the cost/benefit analysis of this.
40,000 people every year die in car accidents in the United States. If we lowered the speed limit to 10 very few people would die. Possibly 0. But we don’t do that. Even though we could save 40,000 people a year. Why? Cost/benefit analysis. We’ve decided it’s more important to get where we’re going quickly than to save 40,000 innocent people.
I don’t know how you can look at what this is going to do to families and businesses and think we’re on the correct side of the analysis here.
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What is 2% of the population? Like 6 million? Psh. That’s nothing. Then another 100 million with permanent lung damage... That’s no big deal.
And if we don’t flatten the curve so that hospitals (that are full even when times are good) can work to keep that 2% where it is, it exactly will be like the Spanish flu.
BAM. Logic.
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That’s one of my favorite Simpsons lines... Homer in high school debate, arguing against reducing the speed limit to 55mph.
“Sure it’ll save a *few* lives... BUT MILLIONS WILL BE LATE!”
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
I like your random 100 million number. Look I can do it too: 200 million will die from poverty caused by shutting down our economy.What is 2% of the population? Like 6 million? Psh. That’s nothing. Then another 100 million with permanent lung damage... That’s no big deal.
And if we don’t flatten the curve so that hospitals (that are full even when times are good) can work to keep that 2% where it is, it exactly will be like the Spanish flu.
BAM. Logic.
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The goverment telling everybody to stay at home if they so much as cough is a cover up to hide confirmed cases.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
What’s the number?Brown🎵Note wrote:
I like your random 100 million number. Look I can do it too: 200 million will die from poverty caused by shutting down our economy.What is 2% of the population? Like 6 million? Psh. That’s nothing. Then another 100 million with permanent lung damage... That’s no big deal.
And if we don’t flatten the curve so that hospitals (that are full even when times are good) can work to keep that 2% where it is, it exactly will be like the Spanish flu.
BAM. Logic.
It’s 29% of the hospitalized patients that recover, so yeah. Maybe not 100 million in the US. Still, many many millions, ACTUAL.
Still, we stand to lose more than we did in WWII. Maybe we should start rationing food and raw materials.
Should we kill off the weak or the stupid? Your choice.
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Well unfortunately we here in Illinois can’t contain this thing lol some nursing home in my county had 46 confirmed cases as of a few hours ago. 13 of them staff members. Drove past it on my way to work today too 🥺 time to decontaminate my car with a hot water pressure wash and detail 😅
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Both? I’m not picky. In all seriousness where’d you get the 29% number? I’d actually like to read about that.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
What’s the number?Brown🎵Note wrote:
I likeWhat is 2% of the population? Like 6 million? Psh. That’s nothing. Then another 100 million with permanent lung damage... That’s no big deal.
And if we don’t flatten the curveSpanish flu.
BAM. Logic.
It’s 29% of the hospitalized patients that recover, so yeah. Maybe not 100 million in the US. Still, many many millions, ACTUAL.
Still, we stand to lose more than we did in WWII. Maybe we should start rationing food and raw materials.
Should we kill off the weak or the stupid? Your choice.
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What Does the Coronavirus Do to the Body?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-body-symptoms.amp.html%3f0p19G=0038
This is a really interesting article. The bit below though is what most scares me, because of my Crohn’s Disease. (Crohn’s is when your own immune system decides it should attack your gastrointestinal tract.)
“So while the virus appears to zero in on the lungs, it may also be able to infect cells in the gastrointestinal system, experts say. This may be why some patients have symptoms like diarrhea or indigestion... As a result, some patients may endure damage that is inflicted not just by the virus, but by their own immune system as it rages to combat the infection.”
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Due to our governments massive failure to react fast enough (testing, replenishing medical inventory stockpiles depleted in earlier epidemics, isolation, etc) and add in the massive number spring breakers trickling slowly back up north now I would guess the US will fall more on the bad side of the infection and mortality rate curve. If only 1/3 of the us is infected that is still over 100 million people. I’m hoping Vikings optimism is right...the next 3 weeks should tells us one way or another.
Until then I’m going to continue practicing “safe sacks” (I buy groceries once a week for another week ahead and just put the bags of groceries that don’t need refrigeration in a corner so the viruses can die a slow and agonizing natural death). I probably will still wipe them down and go back to watching reruns of Monk.
Everyone take care and be well.
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https://youtu.be/n4no04822NQ
Not sure links work here but found the above projection graphs and associated text interesting. It leaves out the massive epidemics such as 1918 but has better analysis of the statistics than others I’ve seen.
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Our government’s total bipartisan failure to act is going to cost a lot of lives and hardship. This includes the Dems, who won’t shut NYC down before it takes over from Italy as the new biggest hotspot. (5,100 here as of today) and our senators profiteering off the pandemic. Let’ break this down. Scientists say we’re facing a 40-70% total infection rate. In NYC, that would mean 3.2 to 5.6 million. But hey, let’s assume they’re incredibly off base and the number is 4-7%. That would still be 320,000 to 560,000 in one city alone. Who here thinks our healthcare system can handle anything even remotely close to even that number? Not to mention mass job loss, etc., which $600-1,200 apiece won’t even begin to cover one month’s bills. And our pandemic leader, Pence, suggests we pray. I guess, but thanks for the leadership?
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^ “Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Friday that 100 percent of non-essential work forces are now required to stay home. The new order goes into effect as of 8 p.m. Sunday. He asked the public to "remain indoors to the greatest extent possible to protect physical and mental health. Your actions can affect my health; that's where we are. We are all in quarantine."
Effective immediately, non-essential gatherings of any size are banned and strict social distancing -- maintaining at least a 6-foot distance from others in public -- must be obeyed. Public transportation will keep running to get nurses, doctors, law enforcement officers, and other essential personnel where they need to go. Everyone else is asked to use mass transit only if absolutely necessary.
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Non-compliance by businesses may result in fines or summonses; at this point, there are no legal consequences for individuals but crowds violating the new orders will be broken up. People older than 70 and those with compromised immune systems are told to take even more precautions, including pre-screening visitors' temperatures and making sure any visitors wear masks...and he announced a 90-day moratorium on all commercial and residential evictions.”
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nyc-hospitals-weeks-from-running-out-of-supplies-as-death-toll-soars/2335762/
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How to safely shop for groceries if you're concerned about coronavirus (a few tips)
“Go alone.
When you get to the store, use a sanitizing wipe to rub down high-touch areas like cart and basket handles. Use hand sanitizer, or wash your hands, immediately after leaving the checkout lane, especially if you used any type of touch screen for payment.
Limit your time in the store as much as possible.
Plan to start with the non-perishable items on your list. The riskiest areas will be those with items people touch the most, like salad bars (which should be avoided these days) and the produce section. "Make these your last stops in the store to avoid transferring the virus, if present, to other areas.” Don’t poke the produce - only touch what you are going to buy. If the food comes in plastic packaging, be mindful to touch just the one you want to select.
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"If you’re immunocompromised, consider buying pre-packaged produce that likely has undergone strict sanitation standards at the packing site. Cook any raw vegetables to further cut down on the risk of contamination.
No hoarding - buy enough food to last for two weeks at a time, including TP.
When you get home, after you wash your hands, wash your produce. There have been no reported cases of COVID-19 being transmitted by ingesting food, but it's possible for the virus to live on surfaces. When you get home, scrub hard-skinned produce with a soft-bristled vegetable brush, using a little bit of soap and warm water. Other types of produce, like fruits or leafy veggies, can be soaked for about 15 minutes in soapy water. Make sure to rinse them thoroughly before consumption.
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If you carried items home in reusable bags, make sure to wipe them down thoroughly, or wash them immediately.”
https://www.today.com/food/how-safely-shop-groceries-if-you-re-concerned-about-coronavirus-t176047?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=&cid=referral_taboolafeed#anchor-Whenyougethome
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Don’t forget to drink plenty of Corona beer to fight off the Corona virus. It’s been working for me so far.
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Vaccines are in the works -- and a new clinical trial launched Monday.
Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine. Other medical options are in the works, including experimental drugs and antiviral therapies. One of the companies leading the experimental drug charge said it has five clinical trials worldwide, three of which have United States patients enrolled. But there's no proof yet that it's safe or effective.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nyc-hospitals-weeks-from-running-out-of-supplies-as-death-toll-soars/2335762/
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Lord R. Rahl wrote:
Lol, I think you are the only other person that noticed the title. I made a turf a couple of week ago called:Don’t forget to drink plenty of Corona beer to fight off the Corona virus. It’s been working for me so far.
“Corona Virus” 👉🍺? -
A few weeks ago, I sent 🎀Bella a pic the CSSE map, and we wondered who had turf in China, Italy & Iran.
It was over ten years ago, my home turf was 500 feet from where I live now. Here in New York, we have half the cases in the country, and more than half of those cases are in my city. My entire industry is crippled along with hundreds of thousands of restaurant employees. As we brace to get fucked wholly, because our cavalier asses couldn’t stop moving around and touching each other...
Stay home, folks. If you go out, wear a mask. Washing your hands just isn’t enough.
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