Guns don't kill people. Stupid people with guns kill people .
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I’m a gun fan. I own many. Large caliber rifles for hunting. Small caliber for targets and varmits. Shotguns for waterfowl. Shotguns for trap and skeet. Several handguns of various types.
I’ve grown up around guns my whole life. In in rear window pickup racks, hung on the wall. In nightstands. I knew from age 2 your don’t touch guns. From age 5 I knew you don’t point guns at anything you don’t want to kill. Same with all my family, all my friends and everyone I knew in rural northern California.
Too many people have guns and access to guns who are idiots, crazy, clueless or evil. It’s gotta change.
Guns are dangerous. You require extensive training to be safe. Guns are powerful. You can kill an animal, including a human, a hundred yards away and not be a marksman. Guns designed for military-like battles are incredibly deadly.
Gotta change.
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Money talks
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Thanks to nwo everybody killing everybody. That’s been in the plan book
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People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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Guns are just tools. Do they facilitate the killing of others more easily than say wielding a knife? Yes. Do they also stop crazy knife wielders in their tracks? Yes.
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Does the 2nd amendment allow you to legally carry a bazooka?
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I live and raised my kids in Chicago suburbs. Crime everywhere. At a young age I have thought them to respect firearms and even let them hold them and help clean them. Firearms are always at reach.... of my oldest .... but never loaded. Only my oldest knows where the loaded magazines are. Because of this they have never considered them a toy to play with and dont OOOHHHH and AAAHHHH at the sight of one. They are given airsoft guns to play safely and i keep them in sports that allow them to shoot others with plastic pellets or balls of paint. Plus it helps with thwir aim if someone ever breaks in.
Interestingly enough never has a gun follwed my kids to school. Teach them young but teach them right. Only 3 people you can shoot.....
1. Burglars
2. Daughters Boyfriend
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I too am from the Chicago Suburbs and have been into the city many times and have actually lost a friend due to gun violence. I have recently received my FOID card and am hoping to buy my first weapon now that I have recieved my taxes. I definitely don’t believe we will be disarmed and generally I feel that those students protesting and walking out are doing the right thing I feel a ban on guns is unnecessary and in violation of our 2nd Amendment right but we definitely do need better, stricter, more thorough background checks. Only 4 states require an actual FOID card to purchase and Im glad to live in one of them. Guns are safe and not so dangerous when handles correctly. Its only when someone with bad intentions mishandles a firearm that we see the sad tragedies that occur...
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
You must be a fisherman because I smell Herring.Does the 2nd amendment allow you to legally carry a bazooka?
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〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
... how about a shoulder held Stinger surface-to-air missiles? Should they be legal? Seems to fit under the 2nd amendment.
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
What exact gun control measure would you enact that would stop people from killing each other?Brown🎵Note wrote:
〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
... how about a shoulder held Stinger surface-to-air missiles? Should they be legal? Seems to fit under the 2nd amendment.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
It's a rifle that assaults people when it has nothing better to do. Duh.....〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
as·sault ri·fle〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
noun
noun: assault rifle; plural noun: assault rifles
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use -
O U 8 1 2 wrote:
ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
What exact gun control measure would you enact that would stop people from killing each other?Brown🎵Note wrote:
〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right ...
... how about a shoulder held Stinger
... I’m not American. Even though we’re next door neighbours (🇨🇦) there is such a difference in the approach / culture to guns that my advice would be useless and recognize that.
As I’m sure you know and are sick of hearing about, the death rate from guns in the USA is 5-20 times higher then other 1st world nations.
I tongue in cheek asked about Bazookas and Surface-to-Air Missiles. In all seriousness, is there some type of weapon a single person can use that you would ban?
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The problem is the statistics used can be skewed to which ever side you fall in. The most recent use was 18 mass school shootings in 45 days??? Then you look at the “data” they used and find suicide in a school parking lot over night, shooting a school bus with a BB gun and some other random events lumped in to get an emotional response. To answer your question on a weapon a single person could use that I would Ban🤔.....marriage!
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Automatic weapons are already illegal . No such law exists that will prevent these things from occuring. It is already against the law to commit murder ! Does it stop criminals from doing it? No!! It is against the law to speed and roll thru stop signs but does it stop you from doing it ? No !! Imo family values and morals play a big role in these events ... problem is nobody gives a shit about anything anymore . Id like to have a gun if a criminal decides to attack me or break into my house ect ect so im pro gun👍
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O U 8 1 2 wrote:
The problem is the statistics used can be skewed to which ever side you fall in ... Then you look at the “data” they used and find suicide in a school parking lot over night, shooting a school bus with a BB gun and some other random events lumped in to get an emotional response. To answer your question on a weapon a single person could use that I would Ban🤔.....marriage!
The stats are accurate. Here’s the overview:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
Here’s the detailed look:
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext
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Ꮩʬ ₮ᴱ∁ᴴ wrote:
Automatic weapons are already illegal . No such law exists that will prevent these things from occuring. It is already against the law to commit murder ! Does it stop criminals from doing it? No!! It is against the law to speed and roll thru stop signs but does it stop you from doing it ? No !! Imo family values and morals play a big role in these events ... problem is nobody gives a shit about anything anymore . Id like to have a gun if a criminal decides to attack me or break into my house ect ect so im pro gun👍
... but in every other 1st world nation, the laws do work?
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Daisy - They work when all guns are disallowed. But the argument is futile in the US because we will not ban all guns. Firearms are part of our national culture. So, right or wrong — no matter which side of the fence you stand on — gun control here is unrealistic. Can we ban AR-15’s? Well, I guess, but that leaves SKS, AK-47, AR-15, AR-9 (mm), etc. And even then, the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by handguns. Limiting magazine capacity, etc. — none of it is effective. So you see without instituting a blanket ban on all guns, gun control here — or discussion on — is pointless. And there’ll never be that sweeping a ban here no matter how many shootings happen.
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⇚❹☠❶☠❺⇛ wrote:
Daisy - They work when all guns are disallowed. But the argument is futile in the US because we will not ban all guns. Firearms are part of our national culture. So, right or wrong — no matter which side of the fence you stand on — gun control here is unrealistic. Can we ban AR-15’s? Well, I guess, but that leaves SKS, AK-47, AR-15, AR-9 (mm), etc. And even then, the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by handguns. Limiting magazine capacity, etc. — none of it is effective. So you see without instituting a blanket ban on all guns, gun control here — or discussion on — is pointless. And there’ll never be that sweeping a ban here no matter how many shootings happen.
... that I understand. It’s a cultural issue, not solved by banning all guns. Be interested to see if there is any slow adjustment in mindset. I think Otto Norse earlier in the thread nailed it.
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
... that I understand. It’s a cultural issue, not solved by banning all guns. Be interested to see if there is any slow adjustment in mindset. I think Otto Norse earlier in the thread nailed it.
I’ve owned guns since I was 18. I’ve also lost 20+ friends to gun violence, including my best friend, who I lost in 2013. So I have a complicated relationship with guns. Do I want to see less violence? Of course. Only a sociopath wouldn’t. Do I want all guns banned? That I’m not sure. And, for me, it’s super complicated. But yeah, I get it. We do need a national shift of some sort. What that is and how realistic it is, I don’t know. But you see out news: We grieve today and forget tomorrow. Maybe it’s us, maybe it’s just human nature?
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⇚❹☠❶☠❺⇛ wrote:
ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
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I’ve owned guns since I was 18. I’ve also lost 20+ friends to gun violence, including my best friend, who I lost in 2013. So I have a complicated relationship with guns. Do I want to see less violence? Of course. Only a sociopath wouldn’t. Do I want all guns banned? That I’m not sure. And, for me, it’s super complicated. But yeah, I get it. We do need a national shift of some sort. What that is and how realistic it is, I don’t know. But you see out news: We grieve today and forget tomorrow. Maybe it’s us, maybe it’s just human nature?
... last comment and then I’ll finally shut up. You don’t have to ban all guns. My brother in law just got a handgun after having to take a course and passing a background check.
My mother in law has a shotgun and rifle because bears regularly wander on her very remote property.
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Let's imagine that gun supporters cave and agree to a ban on "assault weapons" (even though that isn't really a type of weapon, more a type of look) what happens the next time there is a mass shooting? We know it will happen. What will those who are anti-gun want to take next? All rifles? Handguns? All guns? If those who truly support the second amendment give an inch now, it is just a matter of time before they are expected to give a mile. And let's be honest the left's end game is to ban all guns, they just can't say that yet.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
The ones that are being used to kill your kids ffs〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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TheAntagonist wrote:
Let's imagine that gun supporters cave and agree to a ban on "assault weapons" (even though that isn't really a type of weapon, more a type of look) what happens the next time there is a mass shooting? We know it will happen. What will those who are anti-gun want to take next? All rifles? Handguns? All guns? If those who truly support the second amendment give an inch now, it is just a matter of time before they are expected to give a mile. And let's be honest the left's end game is to ban all guns, they just can't say that yet.
That’s a logical fallacy. And an assumption. However, considering the overwhelming number of gun crimes are committed with handguns, the call to ban assault weapons is mostly posturing.
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OttoNorse wrote:
I’m a gun fan. I own many. Large caliber rifles for hunting. Small caliber for targets and varmits. Shotguns for waterfowl. Shotguns for trap and skeet.
I’ve grown up around guns my whole life. In in rear window pickup racks, hung on the wall. In nightstands. From age 5 I knew you don’t point guns at anything you don’t want to kill. Same with all my family, all my friends and everyone I knew in rural northern California.
Too many people have guns and access to guns who are idiots, crazy, clueless or evil. It’s gotta change.
Guns are dangerous. You require extensive training to be safe. Guns are powerful. You can kill an animal, including a human, a hundred yards away and not be a marksman. Guns designed for military-like battles are incredibly deadly.
Gotta change.
... Hey Otto...as a responsible American gun owner, what would you recommend to effect change?
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Daisy read the chart, take away suicide and it’s negligible. The real problem is violence and responsibility, both are out of control. I take It from your POV and comment above unless you support “gun control” you are irresponsible? Last I checked In the 17 years I’ve owned My guns, has been responsibly. No one wants to address the real problems within our society. Comparing the US to other homogeneous societies to prove a point is irresponsible imo.
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Ideas on a really complicated topic:
1) To own or operate cars requires a license, frequent written and skill and ability tests, insurance and annual registration - I’m willing to do all that.
2) Mental health and or criminal priors correlate with mass shootings. Do background checks similar to sensitive jobs like child care workers, Uber drivers, bank tellers.
3)The vast number of ALL US shootings are not mass shootings. Much more complicated: gangs, high crime areas and drug addition, domestic violence and suicides. Mixing all these together is not helpful.
4)School shootings are relatively new. Guns didn’t change - we did. Teacher friends say, we know who our school shooters will be. They are lonely, teased, angry, abused at home. They have a long list of reasons why they can’t do something. That’s gotta change.
It’s not going to get better soon. Nothing will ‘fix’ This. Outlaw all guns today, there are 300,000,000 guns in homes right now. Gotta deal with the issues while adding sensible regs.
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PS most US gun owners would have been fine with basic registration laws and background checks - but the very liberal few started talking about “gun control” in terms of taking firearms away from law abiding citizens. That started the NRA fight. Read the pre 1970s American Rifelaman (NRA mag) and similar. It was about hunting, self defense and “plinking tin cans with the grandkids” and not all the rhetoric and lobbying we have now.
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