Guns don't kill people. Stupid people with guns kill people .
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⌖🔥Fuk*Support🔥⌖ wrote:
Huh. Never saw one of those used in a school shooting.Brown🎵Note wrote:
as·sault ri·fle〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
noun
noun: assault rifle; plural noun: assault rifles
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use -
〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
Uninformed.Brown🎵Note wrote:
The ones that are being used to kill your kids ffs〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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O U 8 1 2 wrote:
Daisy read the chart, take away suicide and it’s negligible ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
Are we reading the same stats?
Compare Australia to USA?
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Whatever. Let em all shoot each other then.〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
Uninformed.Brown🎵Note wrote:
The ones that are being used to kill your kids ffs〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
Define “assault rife”, please.People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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Our most deadly school shooting was done with pistols. I think less focus should be placed on the mythical “assault rifle”, which has never been used in a school shooting, and more on what is creating killer kids.
Unfortunately the public narrative is largely about ignorance, emotion, and knee-jerk reactions over sensationalized media accounts rather than actual reality.
Making it harder for law-abiding people to get guns won’t significantly slow down those that would steal guns and murder kids.
The car license analogy above... Does my annual car registration make it harder for kids to steal cars and run down pedestrians? Would you call for more car licensing regulations if these kids broke in, took my keys and used my car to kill people?
We don’t fight bank robbers by closing down the banks. Tighten security at the doors, stop sensationalizing violence, educate gun owners, and deploy good guys with guns. That will reduce mass school shootings.
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Btw Otto,
1)driving is a privilege not a protected right 👍🏻.
2)Your second point is a dangerous one with activists presumably controlling who can own guns. -
Also cars are more dangerous to public at large.
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
Funny thing about Australia. My friend (from Sydney) has a buddy who is an officer in Sydney. Says the stats are not accurate and there are just as many gun crimes as ever there. He says the main difference between the US and Australia is an agreement to under report the crime to not sensationalize it. I guess That’s fine if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is ok and your your mandatory gun buy back solved all your problems.O U 8 1 2 wrote:
Daisy read the chart, take away suicide and it’s negligible ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
Are we reading the same stats?
Compare Australia to USA?
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Brown, yes, drivers license, car registrations both help to limit those who shouldn’t drive from driving and thereby greatly make our streets and highways safer. You fail the driving test, you don’t get a license. You don’t pass the eye test, you don’t get a license. Sure, anyone can’t still drive, but the basic idea of laws is to provide structure and set norms and expectations. Laws don’t prevent *any* crimes right? The speed limit doesn’t keep you from speeding. It says we all basically agree to not go 90 mph.
Say we had zero driving laws and anyone at anytime could legally go buy a car, jump in and take off and that had always been the case. Do you think there would be more or fewer car deaths?
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O U 8 1 2 wrote:
Btw Otto,
1)driving is a privilege not a protected right 👍🏻.
2)Your second point is a dangerous one with activists presumably controlling who can own guns.Second amendment is a protected right (which I strongly support) but that doesn’t mean we let anyone and everyone buy or own firearms. Right?
Activists don’t control anything. We the people do.
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Kane killed abel with a rock. It's a heart problem not a gun problem.
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"Spoons make people fat" lets ban spoons. "Cars make people drunk drive" lets ban cars.
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OttoNorse wrote:
We already don’t by limiting ownership to those who pass the background check. We have agreed as a society that reasonable gun ownership is ok but not those shoulder fired missiles daisy likes.O U 8 1 2 wrote:
Btw Otto,
1)driving is a privilege not a protected right 👍🏻.
2)Your second point is a dangerous one with activists presumably controlling who can own guns.Second amendment is a protected right (which I strongly support) but that doesn’t mean we let anyone and everyone buy or own firearms. Right?
Activists don’t control anything. We the people do.
We the people don’t (entirely anyway). Sorry but I will Never support psych evals, talk about Pandora’s box. -
- stricter background checks
- better education/help with mental health
- parents need to better educate their kids on proper gun safety
- maybe the media needs to stop sensationalizing these shootings -
OttoNorse, I’m fine with having gun ownership be a difficult process, but I’d say we already do that.
I’m also looking at the vast majority of violent gun crime where the person that went through the responsible and legal hoops to get the gun wasn’t involved with the crime. Usually someone took the gun or otherwise obtained the gun illegally and then continued on their way flaunting other laws like assault with a deadly weapon and murder.
People seem to think teenagers are legally buying machine guns at Walmart with no background checks and shooting up schools. The media, (gun law experts each and every one /s), does nothing to keep us from thinking this kind of crap is true. Invariably, every time a shooting happens, people propose new laws that would not have significant impact on the statistics, and in most cases wouldn’t have even stopped the crime that spurred on the outrage.
There are loud people everywhere that don’t like guns that use every media event as an excuse to eliminate them.
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It’s these loud people that are afraid of guns and don’t understaind guns, gun laws, or our right to self preservation that whip up the populace with nonsense arguments.
The kid on the news tonight crying about “My friend is dead. Why did the shooter need to have a military weapon?”... Someone should immediately correct him and say first that it wasn’t a military weapon, nor a large caliber weapon. It wasn’t automatic. It does the same thing that any gun can do, including the little .22 kit revolver that spurred on the Brady bill.
I’m going to go so far as to say to the general public: If you want to talk about reducing gun violence, the volume of your voice should be proportional to your actual knowledge of guns, gun rights, gun laws, and violent gun crime statistics. In my opinion, if this rule is applied, 99.9% of those walk-out-of-school kids yesterday should sit down and shut up. Sorry, but it’s come to that for me.
I guess it’s just the nature of the 24 hour media cycle.
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Brown I agree with almost all you just said. My view is change is coming for sure and I want to be the positive part of helping to shape that change rather than just resisting and letting that loud, uninformed mob lead it.
I just taught my SF girlfriend to shoot. She’s as left as they come and hated and feared all firearms. You should see her smile now after putting 8 in the black with my Kimber 1911.
I like Yo’s short list. Here’s mine:
- initial and then every 4 years annual written and skills test to obtain and renew a license
- background process like we have today added to this license process
- that license required to buy or transfer (gift) new or used firearms for both parties
- that license required to buy ammo or reloading components
- annual registration of all firearms matching serial numbers to verify ownership and current valid license (just like cars)Won’t solve lots of other society’s problems, but will clearly lead to more responsible ownership and accountability.
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Nothing but circular arguments.
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〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
An assault weapon ban will prevent or reduce school shootings.Nothing but circular arguments.
Therefore an assault weapon ban will prevent or reduce school shootings.
I agree. That’s very circular indeed.
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Don’t be dense. We all know WTH “assault weapons” refer to. I own around 10 guns, and I know which ones are seen as assault and/or military-style weapons. Whether the definitions are accurate isn’t the issue. It’s all semantics and deflection to claim otherwise. Also, claiming my AR has the same destructive power as my Ruger revolver is assinine. There’s a reason military & SWAT use assault rifles. SWAT isn’t running into a building carrying Glock 17s. Let’s stop pretending. Also, the whole spoon-gun analogy is foolish. Unless someone runs into a crowd and force-feeds people tablespoons of Crisco and mayo until they have heart attacks, let’s stop pretending those are real analogies. The bottom line is many of us don’t want our freedom of choice or ownership threatened, whether it be firearms or anything else. That’s a valid fear. Or, for some, guns are a sense of security. Or some of you grew up in a strong gun culture and bans threaten your sense of culture. Again valid. But stop with the BS rhetoric.
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Instead of dancing around stuff and repeating popular talking points, just say it: My sense of security, freedom of choice, and culture is more important than gun violence. I, for one, would respect your honesty a lot more than reading people spout semantics and dumb analogies. Hey, I get it. I probably own more guns than most people. But I’m not blind or dumb to the consequences either.
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Sep 27, 2016 · #1
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.*Four ruffians break into my house.
*"What the devil?" as I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle.
*Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot.
*Draw my pistol on the second man, misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog.
*I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot.
*"Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms.
*Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion.
*Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up.Just as the founding fathers intended
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“Assault weapons” in common usage refers to scary looking guns, regardless of actual comparative lethality.
And let’s stop calling them “military style” weapons. There’s a reason the military doesn’t use them. It’s because they aren’t as effective as assault weapons for actual assault operations.
The empty scare tactics are sickening to me, especially because they are so effective at creating laws that don’t serve the stated purpose. Let’s be up-front about the issue. We need to value both sides of the issue, or there will never be a compromise.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
“Assault weapons” in common usage refers to scary looking guns, regardless of actual comparative lethality.
And let’s stop calling them “military style” weapons. There’s a reason the military doesn’t use them. It’s because they aren’t as effective as assault weapons for actual assault operations.
The empty scare tactics are sickening to me, especially because they are so effective at creating laws that don’t serve the stated purpose. Let’s be up-front about the issue. We need to value both sides of the issue, or there will never be a compromise.
You do realize you’re once again spouting semantics?
And that “military style” is not literal and means just that: styled and patterned after military use weapons?Upfront how? And what do you consider compromise? And I ask this as someone who legally owns several assault rifles, but why do we NEED them?
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I am against a scare tactic that has no substance. I’m against those that would manipulate our fears for their political ends. It’s as simple as that.
An “assault rifle” as defined lately is simply a rifle, no more or less leathal than others.
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⇚❹☠❶☠❺⇛ wrote:
Don’t be dense. We all know WTH “assault weapons” refer to.
I would argue that most actually don't know what the term "assault weapons" refer to. Example: Shannon Watts from "Mothers Demand Action" tweeted in rage about an "assault weapon" Sportsmans Warehouse was selling to anyone 18 and over. The accompanying image from their website was of a very scary looking weapon. In reality the weapon in question was a .22 and a bolt action none the less. Would you consider that an assault weapon? Because most who aren't informed on the subject would. So many people arguing for stricter gun control don't know he first thing about guns. Most don't even actually know what a semi automatic rifle is. If they want to base their argument for gun control on "assault weapons" then it first needs to be clearly defined and agreed upon.
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〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
What’s an “Assault” Rifle? Assault is an action...it’s not a gun “anything” 🤦🏻♂️People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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Mr. DeBerg wrote:
Someone having evil thoughts😈〓DERELICT〓 wrote:
What’s an “Assault” Rifle? Assault is an action...it’s not a gun “anything” 🤦🏻♂️People who have think that the right to bear arms includes assault rifles need to have their heads examined
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⌖🔥Fuk*Support🔥⌖ wrote:
I have a SUR 13 tattoo hahaI live and raised my kids in Chicago suburbs. Crime everywhere. At a young age I have thought them to respect firearms and even let them hold them and help clean them. Firearms are always at reach.... of my oldest .... but never loaded. Only my oldest knows where the loaded magazines are. Because of this they have never considered them a toy to play with and dont OOOHHHH and AAAHHHH at the sight of one. They are given airsoft guns to play safely and i keep them in sports that allow them to shoot others with plastic pellets or balls of paint. Plus it helps with thwir aim if someone ever breaks in.
Interestingly enough never has a gun follwed my kids to school. Teach them young but teach them right. Only 3 people you can shoot.....
1. Burglars
2. Daughters Boyfriend
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Ꮩʬ ₮ᴱ∁ᴴ wrote:
Thug lifeAutomatic weapons are already illegal . No such law exists that will prevent these things from occuring. It is already against the law to commit murder ! Does it stop criminals from doing it? No!! It is against the law to speed and roll thru stop signs but does it stop you from doing it ? No !! Imo family values and morals play a big role in these events ... problem is nobody gives a shit about anything anymore . Id like to have a gun if a criminal decides to attack me or break into my house ect ect so im pro gun👍
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