The Great Obamacare Flood of 2014
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It was really expensive, got a lot if folks scrambling and ultimately didnt work.
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Supposedly someone made an exact replica of the website page in a day or two for free just to make the government feel stupid.
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Sgt Mayday wrote:
😂😂😂 I wish I could see his face.Supposedly someone made an exact replica of the website page in a day or two for free just to make the government feel stupid.
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☠Ɗɪϻɪɴɪsʜєʀ☠ wrote:
Lmao 😂Sgt Mayday wrote:
😂😂😂 I wish I could see his face.Supposedly someone made an exact replica of the website page in a day or two for free just to make the government feel stupid.
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Sgt Mayday wrote:
Are you talking about HealthSherpa.com?Supposedly someone made an exact replica of the website page in a day or two for free just to make the government feel stupid.
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Sgt Mayday wrote:
This isn't meant to be support, but I have to imagine that most of the cost is in design, figuring out mechanics, legal reviews, alpha/beta testing, etc, not the actual "physical" end result. It's way easier to replicate something that already exists than to build it from scratch the first time, web sites included.Supposedly someone made an exact replica of the website page in a day or two for free just to make the government feel stupid.
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I don't understand why all Americans just don't decline Obamacare. If every American just said no, or if every body that is complaining just said no. We wouldn't have this issue. The majority still rules! Even though the corrupt politicians think they have the shit in the bag, all it's going to take is pushing a few of the wrong buttons and they are going to rise a turmoil like they've never seen...... I decline Obamacare. I will not join Obamacare. This stupid "affordable care act" has made my premium go from $348 a month to almost $800 a month. I couldn't afford my health insurance before Obamacare now I can't afford my health insurance AND these motherfuckers are going to fine me for it.
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The Saw wrote:
The assertion that "someone made an exact replica...just to make the government feel stupid" is a lie. All such articles refer to HealthSherpa, a site designed to assist consumers in shopping the ACA exchanges. At least that's what it's creators say. Not sure why the deception is necessary but I have a few guesses.Sgt Mayday wrote:
This isn't meant to be support, but I have to imagine that most of the cost is in design, figuring out mechanics, legal reviews, alpha/beta testing, etc, not the actual "physical" end result. It's way easier to replicate something that already exists than to build it from scratch the first time, web sites included.Supposedly someone made an exact replica of the website page in a day or two for free just to make the government feel stupid.
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〓 MR71VWBUS 〓 wrote:
Aye, seems the "affordable care act" is really only affordable to people who already depend on the government. Otherwise, chances are, you've seem your costs rise.I don't understand why all Americans just don't decline Obamacare. If every American just said no, or if every body that is complaining just said no. We wouldn't have this issue. The majority still rules! Even though the corrupt politicians think they have the shit in the bag, all it's going to take is pushing a few of the wrong buttons and they are going to rise a turmoil like they've never seen...... I decline Obamacare. I will not join Obamacare. This stupid "affordable care act" has made my premium go from $348 a month to almost $800 a month. I couldn't afford my health insurance before Obamacare now I can't afford my health insurance AND these motherfuckers are going to fine me for it.
Redistribution of wealth anyone?
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Here's a cool piece of info: you can not go to jail for not paying the fine. The only way they can collect the fine is to hold it from your tax returns. So, if you pay in like I do, there is no penalty. And if I get sick, I just go buy insurance. It's like getting to see the final score and then placing your bet. Can't fathom how this will possibly work.
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Hi. I worked with a hell of a good work ethic til Mr, depend on the government Cancer anhilated my body and brain. I've lost so much that I'll never work again. BUT , except for the things I need to save my pathetic life, I am NOT on disability because of this attitude. The attitude you get from people when you are on disability is awful. I get money for my photography. Thank goodness I'm talented enough .
I'm not dissing anybody's opinion, but two things happened when this bill was passed.
No insurance would be allowed to drop me or refuse me because of prior disease .
And no $1mil lifetime cap would be levied upon me. Which was levied quite awhile ago, causing me to sell and lose a lot.I'm respecting everybody's opinion. But I thought I'd give mine too.
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in theory its a good idea. in actual practice its a clusterfuck.
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Dont worry about it, sky. It's not going anywhere. The majority did indeed vote for it, congress passed it and the Supreme Court upheld it. All the T's are crossed. The reason why most people are having an issue is because on the state level Medicaid expansion is being obstructed. I can't figure out why anyone would support their individual federal taxes going out yet not coming back to their state. Curious. I suppose you like your high premiums afterall. Funny thing is our insurance went down in my household. Wonder why that is? Awe yes, that's right. Colorado isn't obstructing the law.
You guys know Vermont took it one step further to single payer? That's 100% coverage in that state. No more for profit insurance in Vermont full effect 2017. That's the jumping point. Watch out people, worry free healthcare is coming for you. Boggah boggah boggah!
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Skythelimit, the laws for healthcare reform and Obamacare are different. The parts about nobody being denied are part of the healthcare reform laws, not in Obamacare. I too have had extensive injuries in my back from the marine corps and because the VA is an awful fucking organization, I choose not to use them. The healthcare reform laws saved me from tens of thousands in bills but I still am completely against Obamacare itself. Decimating the private sector of health insurance was a poor choice.
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ugly and single wrote:
Everything you mentioned is part of the ACA (Obamacare). There are not two separate congressional acts, only the one. Different components took effect on different timetables, but everything you mentioned is Obamacare.Skythelimit, the laws for healthcare reform and Obamacare are different. The parts about nobody being denied are part of the healthcare reform laws, not in Obamacare. I too have had extensive injuries in my back from the marine corps and because the VA is an awful fucking organization, I choose not to use them. The healthcare reform laws saved me from tens of thousands in bills but I still am completely against Obamacare itself. Decimating the private sector of health insurance was a poor choice.
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
The thing about health care is that you often don't know when you're going to need it. You could get run over by an uninsured driver and rack up a $1,000,000 hospital bill before you regain consciousness let alone have the ability to start up a new insurance policy, which would certainly not be backdated to before your accident. Guess who gets stuck with the bill if you can't afford it? The rest of us through higher costs. I thought you guys were all about personal responsibility? Not having health insurance is the opposite of that, foisting your obligations on others.Here's a cool piece of info: you can not go to jail for not paying the fine. The only way they can collect the fine is to hold it from your tax returns. So, if you pay in like I do, there is no penalty. And if I get sick, I just go buy insurance. It's like getting to see the final score and then placing your bet. Can't fathom how this will possibly work.
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My family says screw it and isn't signing up for it. It's better to take the penalty than do somthing bad. What idiot in their right mind would want to create such a thing...Obama would.
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〓 MR71VWBUS 〓 wrote:
👆I agree 👆I don't understand why all Americans just don't decline Obamacare. If every American just said no, or if every body that is complaining just said no. We wouldn't have this issue. The majority still rules! Even though the corrupt politicians think they have the shit in the bag, all it's going to take is pushing a few of the wrong buttons and they are going to rise a turmoil like they've never seen...... I decline Obamacare. I will not join Obamacare. This stupid "affordable care act" has made my premium go from $348 a month to almost $800 a month. I couldn't afford my health insurance before Obamacare now I can't afford my health insurance AND these motherfuckers are going to fine me for it.
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Well since y'all are actually talking about Obamacare instead of a TW flood in Vegas, ill give you the problem with it in a nutshell. It's neither a private free market system or true socialized medicine. What we had wasnt working but it's been replaced with the worst elements of what we had and the worst elements of socialized medicine (actual higher cost due to government management). Heads up Addi, Obamacare will go away, it'll get replaced by a true socialized system. That'd be better than this mess. Here's the rub though, class warfare is going to get worse because its still America and many will avoid the long lines at St Mary's Liberal Hospital and go to private clinics set up for those with the $$$.
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Obamacare is here because our President didnt have the stones to actually go after what he truly believed was best and settled for a political compromise. He runs into that issue a lot.
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And before y'all to railing on me about getting elected/re-elected, remember their job isn't to get re-elected its to govern.
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Big Jake wrote:
It's so strange to me, this notion that pragmatic political compromise is weakness and stubborn intransigence is strength. This country was built on vigorous political debate and compromise, it's one of our greatest strengths. Immovable entrenched factions have never accomplished anything lasting other than their own political demise.Obamacare is here because our President didnt have the stones to actually go after what he truly believed was best and settled for a political compromise. He runs into that issue a lot.
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Big Jake wrote:
Haha I missed the punch line.Well since y'all are actually talking about Obamacare instead of a TW flood in Vegas, ill give you the problem with it in a nutshell. It's neither a private free market system or true socialized medicine. What we had wasnt working but it's been replaced with the worst elements of what we had and the worst elements of socialized medicine (actual higher cost due to government management). Heads up Addi, Obamacare will go away, it'll get replaced by a true socialized system. That'd be better than this mess. Here's the rub though, class warfare is going to get worse because its still America and many will avoid the long lines at St Mary's Liberal Hospital and go to private clinics set up for those with the $$$.
And yes, I completely agree. That's where I was going with the bit about Vermont and single payer (socialized/universal). It's already begun.
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★fnord★ wrote:
I generally agree. However, I wish in this instance, that he would have made us a first world health care nation rather leaving us in the second world with just a couple steps forward. Sometimes you can compromise too much. Especially when T's the year you have the WH, senate and house.Big Jake wrote:
It's so strange to me, this notion that pragmatic political compromise is weakness and stubborn intransigence is strength. This country was built on vigorous political debate and compromise, it's one of our greatest strengths. Immovable entrenched factions have never accomplished anything lasting other than their own political demise.Obamacare is here because our President didnt have the stones to actually go after what he truly believed was best and settled for a political compromise. He runs into that issue a lot.
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What's the point of getting insurance if I can buy it when I get sick? That's an extreme example about the uninsured driver, but outside that why get it? If I go tomorrow and am diagnosed with lung cancer, I can't be denied insurance. How is it possible for any insurance company to make a profit that way? Especially when they are operating at a lower profit margin than say McDonalds and many many more companies already (industry average of 8% margin)???
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One more quick question: if Obama can give waivers to certain groups without Congress's approval, why can't the next president just sign a waiver for every US citizen as well???
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
A waiver is not something that is imposed but rather something that is requested. Imposing a 'waiver' on a bunch of Americans who have insurance for the first time ever would be a horrible idea politically not to mention probably unlawful under the ACA. I want to add that there are many situations where your fixed gambling analogy falls apart. Many people require ongoing healthcare and use insurance to spread out their out-of-pocket costs. It would be impractical and perhaps more costly to open and close insurance policies several times a year. You are aware that this idea that you are in complete control of your circumstances is an illusion, correct?One more quick question: if Obama can give waivers to certain groups without Congress's approval, why can't the next president just sign a waiver for every US citizen as well???
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Alright Fnord, here's the deal, that intransigence you speak of keeps things from getting done by the government (by either side, wasnt much better when GOP ran country). That's good because in 99% (+/- 5) of situations government needs to stay out of the way of the American people. It's a good country with smart, hard working people fully capable if making choices that benefit them and walking out consequences of bad choices and learning from them. Country is best off with a Democratic congress and a Republican President or vice versa. I prefer the former for foreign policy concerns but either or works. Now lets put the game down and get to work, America!
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I was only talking about buying the insurance if a huge medical expense arose. And if the president can grant the waiver, a GOP candidate could run on the platform of granting 100% of the waivers. If ACA is unpopular enough, could win an election and would bring in swing votes and independents.
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I fully support this idea if a GOP candidate does it. Honestly I don't think Obamacare will be that much of a campaign issue in 2016. If anything the GOP will claim it was their idea all along, which is kinda true.I was only talking about buying the insurance if a huge medical expense arose. And if the president can grant the waiver, a GOP candidate could run on the platform of granting 100% of the waivers. If ACA is unpopular enough, could win an election and would bring in swing votes and independents.
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Big Jake wrote:
I agree that a balance of power is best, assuming both parties are acting in good faith. I was pointing out that Obama's balls had little to do with shaping this particular congressional act. It was the political reality that did so.Alright Fnord, here's the deal, that intransigence you speak of keeps things from getting done by the government (by either side, wasnt much better when GOP ran country). That's good because in 99% (+/- 5) of situations government needs to stay out of the way of the American people. It's a good country with smart, hard working people fully capable if making choices that benefit them and walking out consequences of bad choices and learning from them. Country is best off with a Democratic congress and a Republican President or vice versa. I prefer the former for foreign policy concerns but either or works. Now lets put the game down and get to work, America!
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