The Great Obamacare Flood of 2014
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@Jake:
I strongly disagree that a paralyzed federal government is a good thing in any way. No time in our history has political gridlock ever been looked back upon in a positive light. Might as well tear up the Constitution and let the states go their own way in that case. Also your 94-104% figure seems a bit dubious on the face of it. 😜 Something like 40% of what the government does is protect us while we sleep, I don't mind them involving themselves in that aspect of my life at all as I'd do a piss poor job defending my home alone from a foreign army. Also, ensuring the stability of the markets, providing an adequate justice system, ensuring a safe and stable food supply, building and maintaining essential infrastructure. You know, doing all the things that the profit motive can't or won't do. They do a lot of stuff that most people and corporations take for granted but would really miss if it was gone. -
Pardon me. That 99ish% referred to new things the government comes up with to do. As for the 40%, I can assure you I'm a big believer in the defense, security, trade, diplomacy, general law and order in our country. It's the other 60% I can do without.
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Big Jake wrote:
Pardon me. That 99ish% referred to new things the government comes up with to do. As for the 40%, I can assure you I'm a big believer in the defense, security, trade, diplomacy, general law and order in our country. It's the other 60% I can do without.
Hate that I agree with him 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
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Did you hear about all the Er's in Vegas? They blew through $700 billion in just a couple days. Don't worry though, General G put the money to good use. 😜
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🔥℘ཞعϮϮყ⌖ცօყ🔥 wrote:
I'm calling bullshit on this storyDid you hear about all the Er's in Vegas? They blew through $700 billion in just a couple days. Don't worry though, General G put the money to good use. 😜
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Enjoy these times...Hillary awaits you in 2016....
"What difference does it make!!" - HC
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★COVΛH★ wrote:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/may/08/context-hillary-clintons-what-difference-does-it-m/Enjoy these times...Hillary awaits you in 2016....
"What difference does it make!!" - HC
There's the context for those of you out there willing to read rather than being lead by out of context misinformation quotes.
I wonder if bush thought the same with the 13 embassy attacks under his reign of terror? Actual embassy attacks, rather than an unarmed consulate. Hmm...
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Reign of Terror? A tad hyperbolic don't ya think. I guess everybody drinks Kool-Aide at some point. Which is a nice segue to my next comment. General G? Wth kind of deal is that. Lmao.
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Big Jake wrote:
100,000 to 1 million dead Iraqis, several million Iraqi refugees. The most secular, educated, anti-Islamofascist Arab country destroyed for at least a generation. Thousands of people tortured, poisoned and otherwise irreparably damaged by OUR country. And that was just from one hasty, poorly informed decision by our former CIC. Reign of terror is entirely apt, war criminal is more accurate. Take off the rose colored glasses, he was a disaster of a president by any objective measure. He became the monster which he set out to destroy. Haven't you gotten the memo, today's conservative must pretend he never existed, not defend him for God's sake.Reign of Terror? A tad hyperbolic don't ya think. I guess everybody drinks Kool-Aide at some point. Which is a nice segue to my next comment. General G? Wth kind of deal is that. Lmao.
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Wow. Underestimated the juice intake. I'm thinking we probably aren't gonna find much common ground on this one. I will take issue with your last statement though. Free speech or not, he wasn't nor will be Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist/dictator/monster. I don't even need data to defend that most ignorant of statements. So you can say it but it reveals more about yourself than it ever will about the man you slandered.
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Big Jake wrote:
Bush set out to fight a war on terror. In the process he terrorized and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. By body count alone, he did more damage to innocent life than Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden combined. That's a fact, take from it what you will. Just because he used good men and women wearing little American flags on their uniforms to do it doesn't somehow make it less of an atrocity. Every war criminal is seen as a hero by his supporters, doesn't change the undeniable truth of what he is. And it's only slander if it's untrue.Free speech or not, he wasn't nor will be Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist/dictator/monster. I don't even need data to defend that most ignorant of statements. So you can say it but it reveals more about yourself than it ever will about the man you slandered.
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Big Jake wrote:
That's the difference. We can actually cite ourselves with facts. Where all you can do is use the emotional argument you just did. Though, conservatives seem to think facts are subjective, that is not actually the case. Facts are just that. Facts. No one said anything about those dictators you named but about the millions of lives we disrupted while we were policing said terrorists for fake WMDs. Fact.Wow. Underestimated the juice intake...
Anyways, I'm not gonna get deep in this with you Jake. Politics doesn't really mix well with those you like especially when they resort to insults straight away to make their case = losing from the start. I was talking to havoc and his push poll type one liners. He knows that makes me crazy, so I don't need to go in depth over using a dramatic phrase like reign of terror when everybody knows it was just that, dramatic.
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★fnord★ wrote: Bush set out to fight a war on terror. In the process he terrorized and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. By body count alone, he did more damage to innocent life than Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden combined. That's a fact, take from it what you will. Just because he used good men and women wearing little American flags on their uniforms to do it doesn't somehow make it less of an atrocity. Every war criminal is seen as a hero by his supporters, doesn't change the undeniable truth of what he is. And it's only slander if it's untrue.
maybe he took the mob approach. instead of killing just the person who harmed you. you kill him and his family so they don't come back later.... they might have been innocent but how long would they stay that way? take that chance? or chalk them up to casualties of war. or he could have just been trying to help with over population. i'm sure there was a good reason in there somewhere. -
Deicide wrote:
Shock and awe, baby! Shocking and awful. The more time that passes the more it seems like a bad dream, but it was real. It really happened. And now we're pissing our pants over 4 dead Americans in Benghazi without a hint of irony.★fnord★ wrote: Bush set out to fight a war on terror. In the process he terrorized and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. ✂️
maybe he took the mob approach. instead of killing just the person who harmed you. you kill him and his family so they don't come back later.... they might have been innocent but how long would they stay that way? take that chance? or chalk them up to casualties of war. or he could have just been trying to help with over population. i'm sure there was a good reason in there somewhere. -
〓 MR71VWBUS 〓 wrote:
I declined it too. We will pay the fine together my friendI don't understand why all Americans just don't decline Obamacare. If every American just said no, or if every body that is complaining just said no. We wouldn't have this issue. The majority still rules! Even though the corrupt politicians think they have the shit in the bag, all it's going to take is pushing a few of the wrong buttons and they are going to rise a turmoil like they've never seen...... I decline Obamacare. I will not join Obamacare. This stupid "affordable care act" has made my premium go from $348 a month to almost $800 a month. I couldn't afford my health insurance before Obamacare now I can't afford my health insurance AND these motherfuckers are going to fine me for it.
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If you want to include Iraqis that have died because of economic sanctions in your body count, I think you should also look at how many Iranians Mr. Obama has killed in his own blood-thirsty rein of terror.
Just sayin'.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Sure. Our post-WWII control-freak foreign policy coupled with our inability to grasp the pitfalls of modern asymmetrical warfare has left a trail of corpses all over the world. Obama's just as bad as the rest of them simply for sitting in the big chair without getting visibly ill. I do think there's a very special place in hell reserved for gleeful, willfully ignorant sociopaths like George Bush, though. I have this silly notion that our soldiers are not toys to be played with and tossed aside, and that if innocent life is taken by our brave men and women anywhere in the world, it should be done as an absolute last resort when all other avenues have failed. I'm not sure I've seen any conflict that has risen to that standard since WWII, yet here we are again.✂️I think you should also look at how many Iranians Mr. Obama has killed in his own blood-thirsty rein of terror.
Just sayin'.
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Seriously. I want to know what the majority thinks of my situation and others like me. I paid in and worked hard til something out of my control hit me. I did NOT get on disability. Because of the stigma. Talk about death panels. I feel that since I barely contribute, I really should do everybody a favor and go out quietly, with this. I used my ins. Til I hit the cap, then married Tom. And was scared he would be layed off cause of his age.
I really don't see an answer to people like me cause of the stigma of "livin off the government".
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I've been self employed for ten years and do pretty okay. I almost always end up writing a big check to the IRS (and paying a penalty for not making quarterly contributions like an idiot). Also, some may not realize that self employed people pay almost double the FICA taxes people with a matching employer contribution do. Most years I have enough set aside to easily write that big check, a couple years I've had a 5-figure tab I had to scrape to come up with. Regardless, it's always a lot of money to me but also a responsibility I take very seriously.
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I'd be honored if I knew that one of my fellow Americans in need could benefit from just a fraction of my contribution. I suppose there's a bit of selfishness to it. I fully realize that despite my best layed plans I could suffer a personal tragedy and have no where else to turn, but really it's just a good feeling that comes from helping someone in need. I honestly don't even mind if half of my taxes get wasted on people who don't deserve it as long as the other half gets where it needs to go. Of course you should use disability to help you rebuild your life, Sky. You're the person that this program exists for and people like me feel it's our duty to assist you. Let us do it for you as you have done for others, and others will eventually do for us. This is one of our sacred traditions as human beings, taking care of each other. -
So, all this Benghazi stuff.... Did you guys know that the government said it wasn't Al-Queda, but the only leader they name in suspicion was trained by Bin Laden?
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Tricky Ricky II wrote:
If you can come up with a legitimate source for this story of yours I will post a YouTube of me eating my iphone. Anyone who so much as breathed on Bin Laden has been under a microscope for 12 years and the Benghazi incident has been under hostile senate investigation for months, yet you are privy to info that has somehow illuded them all. Bullshit, you're being lied to.So, all this Benghazi stuff.... Did you guys know that the government said it wasn't Al-Queda, but the only leader they name in suspicion was trained by Bin Laden?
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Maybe not trained directly, but in any case, it doesn't matter who did it, we just need to kill them off. Correct? I mean even if he had no ties shouldn't we disband all of the terrorist organizations. I personally believe that all terrorist groups have one central, core group.
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Tricky Ricky II wrote:
You need to get in touch with the DHS immediately to share your incredibly thoughtful insights, they would certainly prove invaluable in saving countless American lives. You're obviously some sort of national security idiot savante. Seriously though, which "news" outlet is filling your head with this mush? I have to know.Maybe not trained directly, but in any case, it doesn't matter who did it, we just need to kill them off. Correct? I mean even if he had no ties shouldn't we disband all of the terrorist organizations. I personally believe that all terrorist groups have one central, core group.
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Listen, i dont care how liberal you are, but hey. At least tell me you shouldn't spend what you don't have. (Exactly what the government is doing)
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Tricky Ricky II wrote:
I do it all the time. It's called "credit." It's an adult thing, you'll understand when you're older.Listen, i dont care how liberal you are, but hey. At least tell me you shouldn't spend what you don't have. (Exactly what the government is doing)
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Tricky Ricky II wrote:
Horseshit. Every government in the history of the world spends money they don't have. That's kinda what governments do, especially when times are tough. People all over the world invest in government debt and US government debt in particular because it's The most reliable long term investment in the history of the planet. Without government debt the world economy would come to a screeching halt. The United States was born deeply in debt to most of the free world and will probably die that way.Listen, i dont care how liberal you are, but hey. At least tell me you shouldn't spend what you don't have. (Exactly what the government is doing)
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I don't know how you guys can be optimistic about our multi-trillion dollar debt our country has. It's called a successful business with profit. You might have heard of that before.
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★fnord★ wrote:
Tricky Ricky II wrote:
Horseshit. Every government in the history of the world spends money they don't have. That's kinda what governments do, especially when times are tough. People all over the world invest in government debt and US government debt in particular because it's The most reliable long term investment in the history of the planet. Without government debt the world economy would come to a screeching halt. The United States was born deeply in debt to most of the free world and will probably die that way.Listen, i dont care how liberal you are, but hey. At least tell me you shouldn't spend what you don't have. (Exactly what the government is doing)
I agree with you in that the US will die deeply in debt. It will come sooner than you think.
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Tricky Ricky II wrote:
Government is not a business and it does not exist to make a profit. Government creates and backstops the means of exchange that represents the capital that it borrows mostly from it's own citizens for which it pays a return. No business I've ever heard of functions remotely like that. In other words, your analogy is hopelessly flawed. And FYI government spending is falling. Fast. The federal deficit dropped 37% last year, the larges single year drop in recent history. Pick up a newspaper some time.I don't know how you guys can be optimistic about our multi-trillion dollar debt our country has. It's called a successful business with profit. You might have heard of that before.
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