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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
It's not limiting, just interpreting.El Chubaneebre wrote:
Uhhh... Right to take drugs? No dude in the States the Rights of Man are clearly outlined in the Constitution.And for everyone else using the Michael Moore argument, firearms does not include land mines, nukes, and tanks.
And if we are limiting the 2nd amendment why not the fifth? Why not the fourth - if I could search anyone I wanted to without arrest, consent, or exigency I can guarantee I'd save lives.
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༺☣ℳཞ71ᏤཡℬüᎦ☣༻ wrote:
I am pretty sure VW just won this debate.I think god wants me to have an assault rifle. He likes them. That's why he invented them. Spoons make people fat when they are full of trans fats, and I'm not sure if I cAn get the mayo jar open without 30 rounds of hallow point Teflon coated ammo. The drug dealers Obama supply's guns to gets Ar's..why can't I buy one with food stamps? where's my 4k free henchies. Anyone seen my worlds fair spoon? What time is it in Indonesia anyway? Looks like I'm gonna be a felon.
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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
Free speech is already limited. Free press is limited. Due process is not universal. The right to vote is limited. And, in case nobody realizes it, the right to bear arms is ALREADY limited. And all of the above has been deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court. So, to answer your question, yes, rights can be limited. They want to do a ban on certain rifles? Already done.And the constitution refers to God-given rights of man, not government-given rights. And you need to look at writings from the era and since then to understand the motivations and translations and debates of the second amendment which was left intentionally simple and direct. But if we are disagreeing on the nuts and bolts of limitations of these rights, can we also limit free speech a little? How about freedom of the press? Shut down the paparazzi and Princess Di is still alive. Let's limit due process too, while we're at it.
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Arguing about whether it's constitutional is moot. Oh, and god was not mentioned anywhere in the constitution the last time i read it.
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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
He always wins... All he has to do is pull up and it's over, just like that.༺☣ℳཞ71ᏤཡℬüᎦ☣༻ wrote:
I am pretty sure VW just won this debate.I think god wants me to have an assault rifle. He likes them. That's why he invented them. Spoons make people fat when they are full of trans fats, and I'm not sure if I cAn get the mayo jar open without 30 rounds of hallow point Teflon coated ammo. The drug dealers Obama supply's guns to gets Ar's..why can't I buy one with food stamps? where's my 4k free henchies. Anyone seen my worlds fair spoon? What time is it in Indonesia anyway? Looks like I'm gonna be a felon.
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Tweek wrote:
Hitter said in order to conquer a nation you must first take their guns . Tweek a voice didnt help the Jews . This is fact not fictionCivilians do not need assault rifles. Yes, assault rifles are a real thing, and yes, their purpose is killing humans.
we live in a democracy. The beauty of that is you don't need weapons to protect againat tyranny. Just a voice.
As for self defense, assault rifles aren't needed. Pistols kill too. So do shotguns. So do rifles.
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★Λubergine★ wrote:
Just because I'm an idiot does not mean those who agreed with me are also idiots... I was thinking of the Dec of Indepedence... "and to assume among the powers of the Earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle (sic) them"Arguing about whether it's constitutional is moot. Oh, and god was not mentioned anywhere in the constitution the last time i read it.
And
"that they are endowed by their Creatoe with certain unalienable rights"
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Logical gun laws:
limiting clip capacity(10 round reloading is totally reasonable)
Requiring background checks( standard background checks only)
Limits on how many guns one can own( collectors exempted- guns 50 years or older(give or take a decade))
Limiting assault rifle usage to those who have a reason to have one( I'm talking hunting permits or something of that nature but honestly you shouldn't have to hunt with a thirty round death machine)That being said! I do not think that the government should confiscate guns bought before any of the aforementioned laws take place. You ease into the cold water, don't just throw the American people in.
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ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
Lol. Yes, exactly. Here in Canada we are on the cutting edge of developing zombies. Deal with it ✊♛Çąŋժूƴɱąŋ♛ wrote:
I'm not exaggerating the incident. Just pointing out violent deaths occur even in places where guns are more strictly regulated. I should also note for clarity that only one passenger was killed in the above incident, as I reread how I wrote it, it sounds like there where multiple victims. There was only one.ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
U take one instance and exaggerate it, would u like to compare the murders of all of Canada to any number of major American cities ?〓ＦＡＬＬＡＣＹ〓 wrote:
Where greyhound passengers have their heads cut off with dull knives are canabalized, while the other passengers watch.Lol. I'm so happy I live in Canada.
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“To Conquer a Nation, First Disarm its Citizens”
There is no evidence of the source for this quote, Hitler or otherwise.
Hitler DID express some similar sentiments, but he was not speaking of conquering his own people.
The Nazis actually relaxed gun laws for Germans while restricting them for Jews.
We don’t know if Hitler said it, and Nazi gun control was primarily aimed at those Hitler wanted to conquer, not his own people.
http://wafflesatnoon.com/2012/12/16/to-conquer-a-nation-first-disarm-its-citizens-is-this-quote-from-hitler/ -
🔰࿈Ᏸลอ🔥Ᏸεαη࿈🔰 wrote:
Totally reasonable except the limit on rounds to 10 seems arbitrary. My smith .9 holds 17 per magazine plus one chambered. If a bad guy has 18 rounds in a handgun, the rifle should have at least that, no?Logical gun laws:
limiting clip capacity(10 round reloading is totally reasonable)
Requiring background checks( standard background checks only)
Limits on how many guns one can own( collectors exempted- guns 50 years or older(give or take a decade))
Limiting assault rifle usage to those who have a reason to have one( I'm talking hunting permits or something of that nature but honestly you shouldn't have to hunt with a thirty round death machine)That being said! I do not think that the government should confiscate guns bought before any of the aforementioned laws take place. You ease into the cold water, don't just throw the American people in.
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YOU wrote:
This being said, I do not really believe making gun laws stricter will decrease murder rates too much. It will just make it harder for a potential criminal to murder so many people at one time.Logical gun laws:
limiting clip capacity(10 round reloading is totally reasonable)
Requiring background checks( standard background checks only)
Limits on how many guns one can own( collectors exempted- guns 50 years or older(give or take a decade))
Limiting assault rifle usage to those who have a reason to have one( I'm talking hunting permits or something of that nature but honestly you shouldn't have to hunt with a thirty round death machine)That being said! I do not think that the government should confiscate guns bought before any of the aforementioned laws take place. You ease into the cold water, don't just throw the American people in.
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♛Çąŋժूƴɱąŋ♛ wrote:
Yes there was.ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
The exaggeration is was talking about was the canabalism, there was none in the greyhound incident.♛Çąŋժूƴɱąŋ♛ wrote:
I'm not exaggerating the incident. Just pointing out violent deaths occur even in places where guns are more strictly regulated. I should also note for clarity that only one passenger was killed in the above incident, as I reread how I wrote it, it sounds like there where multiple victims. There was only one.ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
〓ＦＡＬＬＡＣＹ〓 wrote:
Where greyhound passengers have their heads cut off with dull knives are canabalized, while the other passengers watch.Lol. I'm so happy I live in Canada.
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I gotta run but thanks to everyone for keeping this topic civil despite it being an emotional one with passionate believers on both sides. ✌
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Michael Moore or not, is it not my right to own a nuke, tank or land mine - cash requirement aside? It's the same constitutional argument used to own assault weapons. How do you know that hand held nuclear devices will not be available 100 years from now? The amount of firepower available today compared to the times of the constitution writing is probably proportional to me having a nuke 100 years from now. Why not buy one now, be prepared.
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AMENDMENT IIA well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Also this whole point become mute if you can 3-D print gun parts and clips with unimaginable clip sizes, then put them together.
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★Λubergine★ wrote:
He may not have said all that but I'm sure at one point he said "I'm tired of zee Americans makink fun of zee moostach" also the TWFC inglorious bastards YouTube video has some awesome hitler quotes in it!“To Conquer a Nation, First Disarm its Citizens”
There is no evidence of the source for this quote, Hitler or otherwise.
Hitler DID express some similar sentiments, but he was not speaking of conquering his own people.
The Nazis actually relaxed gun laws for Germans while restricting them for Jews.
We don’t know if Hitler said it, and Nazi gun control was primarily aimed at those Hitler wanted to conquer, not his own people.
http://wafflesatnoon.com/2012/12/16/to-conquer-a-nation-first-disarm-its-citizens-is-this-quote-from-hitler/"HAAAAVVVVOOCCCCC"
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People lack to see the big picture. The errosion of our constitution will happen little by little. It's not about the AR or AK rifles .It's about being equally equipped to those who may one day try to take freedoms away. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting or sporting . There are two types of people in this country sheep and sheep dog. Too many of you want daddy government to defend you and feed you during a crysis.I feel bad for your "educated ignorant hippy ass".We don't live in a world of rainbows and butterflies. I hope it never happens but if war ever comes to our soil.I feel bad for the sheep.
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I will give everyone a good reason why We need to keep all our guns. We were originally allowed guns to protect ourselvs FROM OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. The founding fathers gave us the right because the government is suppose to serve at the will of the people, and if they didn't we could revol and have a good chance of wining. If they take our guns away it is only making the government that much stronger. And for the people who think guns are the problem are very, very wrong. The problem is gun free zones. In Aurora Colorado, during the movie theater massacre, there were 2 Marines (or another branch of the armed forces) in that movie theater. But that movie theater had a no gun policy. If the marines could have carried a gun into that theater it would have ended slot quicker. To sum up my point, the government has no right to take our guns away and ALL of the shootings have happened in gun free zones.
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Two things.
Yes, kevlar is still very rare in metropolitan areas.
We are not Nazi Germany, and out government does not have the power that Hitler had.
Use your heads people.
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Tweek wrote:
You know hitler was voted into power, right?Two things.
Yes, kevlar is still very rare in metropolitan areas.
We are not Nazi Germany, and out government does not have the power that Hitler had.
Use your heads people.
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I really like canned cheese
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Yea lets let the government do whatever they. Who gives a fuck about our rights and all of the men and women who died to give us those rights. If you don't like guns or don't understand why people want to have them, then don't get one, that's your right to make that choice. Some of you people discust me.
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If you don't like the laws, move out of the country. Protest. Write your congressmen.
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Dunlap2041 wrote:
So was Saddam.Tweek wrote:
You know hitler was voted into power, right?Two things.
Yes, kevlar is still very rare in metropolitan areas.
We are not Nazi Germany, and out government does not have the power that Hitler had.
Use your heads people.
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Point is, they weren't democracies. The people did not have the power that we do.
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I am willing to store the weapon of anyone living in MO. PM me for details.
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Maybe they should ban murder.
Jefferson said the most basic reason for the 2nd amendment was in case citizens ever needed to again throw off the yoke of a tyrannical gov't. THAT is why citizens need advanced weapons.
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Tweek wrote:
Tweek you think it can't happen again?Two things.
Yes, kevlar is still very rare in metropolitan areas.
We are not Nazi Germany, and out government does not have the power that Hitler had.
Use your heads people.
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