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El Chubaneebre wrote:
I don't want to shoot anybody and I carry a gun everyday I go to work, and most days I don't work.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Can't this just be used as an argument to how easy it is to get a gun? There are too many incidents for it to be a few that slipped through the cracks. Gun ownership is too entrenched in the US for it to vanish in one go. The big argument for concealed and military style rifles always seems to always be self defence. Everyone wants to shoot an intruder.You are all absolutely correct. It's the gun's fault. Not the mentally unstable individuals behind them. 👍
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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
The 2nd Amendment says NOTHING about the right to own an AR brand gun. Or even a rifle. If you can find somewhere in the REAL constitution addressing a specific type or style of firearm, I'll be very impressed. Also, side note, how many home invaders do you think go in wearing a kevlar vest?ωⅇɢṡɪⅇṣ wrote:
Because, Wegsies, it's an incrementalist strategy to ban guns, first. Second, because we have a constitutional right to own AR's. Third, because most home invasions occur with more than one person, so I'm happy I have something with 30 rounds that can defeat Kevlar.No ones answered my question yet. I am in support of the 2nd amendment, although I will probably never have a gun. Why should anyone need an assault rifle? I fail to see the purpose. I may be missing something obvious, and if so, correct me
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🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
Then I'd have a hard time pheasant hunting.🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I'd happily ban shotguns as well. What's your point?YOU wrote:
Keep* their shotguns lolHey lefties. Shotguns were used in Aurora, Virginia Tech, Newtown, and Littleton. Why don't you want to ban shotguns? Let's hear a good argument from the left in support of allowing people to kill their shotguns, which are just as deadly as assault rifles.
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ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
Touché🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
Then I'd have a hard time pheasant hunting.🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I'd happily ban shotguns as well. What's your point?YOU wrote:
Keep* their shotguns lolHey lefties. Shotguns were used in Aurora, Virginia Tech, Newtown, and Littleton. Why don't you want to ban shotguns? Let's hear a good argument from the left in support of allowing people to kill their shotguns, which are just as deadly as assault rifles.
Didn't think of hunting... -
★Λubergine★ wrote:
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
From personal experience I know how common Kevlar is in violent criminal acts. And you are exactly right, the constitution does not specify which type of arms we have the god-given right to bear. But it does mention a militia to defend against tyranny, and in other writings from the time mentions that the militia should be armed as well as the standing national army. So there's that.✂
The 2nd Amendment says NOTHING about the right to own an AR brand gun. Or even a rifle. If you can find somewhere in the REAL constitution addressing a specific type or style of firearm, I'll be very impressed. Also, side note, how many home invaders do you think go in wearing a kevlar vest? -
🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
Just showing your true motives and intentions Yan. You are using "oh you dont need an assault rifle" as an incrementalist strategy to get rid of all guns, right?🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I'd happily ban shotguns as well. What's your point?YOU wrote:
Keep* their shotguns lolHey lefties. Shotguns were used in Aurora, Virginia Tech, Newtown, and Littleton. Why don't you want to ban shotguns? Let's hear a good argument from the left in support of allowing people to kill their shotguns, which are just as deadly as assault rifles.
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Civilians do not need assault rifles. Yes, assault rifles are a real thing, and yes, their purpose is killing humans.
we live in a democracy. The beauty of that is you don't need weapons to protect againat tyranny. Just a voice.
As for self defense, assault rifles aren't needed. Pistols kill too. So do shotguns. So do rifles.
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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
It's a official! Get these citizens a tank or two!★Λubergine★ wrote:
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
From personal experience I know how common Kevlar is in violent criminal acts. And you are exactly right, the constitution does not specify which type of arms we have the god-given right to bear. But it does mention a militia to defend against tyranny, and in other writings from the time mentions that the militia should be armed as well as the standing national army. So there's that.✂
The 2nd Amendment says NOTHING about the right to own an AR brand gun. Or even a rifle. If you can find somewhere in the REAL constitution addressing a specific type or style of firearm, I'll be very impressed. Also, side note, how many home invaders do you think go in wearing a kevlar vest? -
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I'd prefer if you didn't call me Yan.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
Just showing your true motives and intentions Yan. You are using "oh you dont need an assault rifle" as an incrementalist strategy to get rid of all guns, right?🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I'd happily ban shotguns as well. What's your point?YOU wrote:
Keep* their shotguns lolHey lefties. Shotguns were used in Aurora, Virginia Tech, Newtown, and Littleton. Why don't you want to ban shotguns? Let's hear a good argument from the left in support of allowing people to kill their shotguns, which are just as deadly as assault rifles.
And do you use an assault rifle to hunt? -
🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
It's a official! Get these citizens a tank or two!
Tank =/= firearm. Silly Michael Moore argument. "what you want people to have nukes? No? Then you agree they should have limits on their guns" -
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
It's a god-given right now? Who said god wants all Americans to be armed? 2nd amendment says nothing about tyranny, either. And other writings are not the law of the land. Has anyone here even READ the second amendment? For god's sake your connected to the internet RIGHT NOW.★Λubergine★ wrote:
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
And you are exactly right, the constitution does not specify which type of arms we have the god-given right to bear. But it does mention a militia to defend against tyranny, and in other writings from the time mentions that the militia should be armed as well as the standing national army.✂
The 2nd Amendment says NOTHING about the right to own an AR brand gun. Or even a rifle. If you can find somewhere in the REAL constitution addressing a specific type or style of firearm, I'll be very impressed. -
🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
Sorry, Ryan. And nope I don't hunt, don't enjoy killing things.🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I'd prefer if you didn't call me Yan.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
Just showing your true motives and intentions Yan. You are using "oh you dont need an assault rifle" as an incrementalist strategy to get rid of all guns, right?🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I'd happily ban shotguns as well. What's your point?YOU wrote:
Keep* their shotguns lolHey lefties. Shotguns were used in Aurora, Virginia Tech, Newtown, and Littleton. Why don't you want to ban shotguns? Let's hear a good argument from the left in support of allowing people to kill their shotguns, which are just as deadly as assault rifles.
And do you use an assault rifle to hunt? -
Also, kevlar is VERY rare in criminal acts.
Speaking from experience.
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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
You said armed as well as the national army...🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
It's a official! Get these citizens a tank or two!
Tank =/= firearm. Silly Michael Moore argument. "what you want people to have nukes? No? Then you agree they should have limits on their guns"
Doesn't the national army have explosive and armoured tanks ect?
Man, if that government decided to go all tryanny you wouldn't stand a chance! Better get those RPG's now while you can. -
2nd amendment:
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Nowhere does it speak of assault rifles. -
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
I never said that. I said the other thing.★Λubergine★ wrote:
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
From personal experience I know how common Kevlar is in violent criminal acts. And you are exactly right, the constitution does not specify which type of arms we have the god-given right to bear. But it does mention a militia to defend against tyranny, and in other writings from the time mentions that the militia should be armed as well as the standing national army. So there's that.✂
The 2nd Amendment says NOTHING about the right to own an AR brand gun. Or even a rifle. If you can find somewhere in the REAL constitution addressing a specific type or style of firearm, I'll be very impressed. Also, side note, how many home invaders do you think go in wearing a kevlar vest? -
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✯Ꮲ༙ᏐᏟᎪ༙ᏕᏕᏫ༙✯ wrote:
Lil' Al Dwayne wrote:
But u made the point there. Yes knives can kill people easily, but I haven't once heard of a massive school "knifing".✯Ꮲ༙ᏐᏟᎪ༙ᏕᏕᏫ༙✯ wrote:
Knife*Lil' Al Dwayne wrote:
✯Ꮲ༙ᏐᏟᎪ༙ᏕᏕᏫ༙✯ wrote:
✠Ⓖ❽✠ wrote:
🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
MeowWoof
And yes. Chances are, if someone is coming at you with a knife, or any weapon, you're not going to have the presence of mind to
Yes on the same day as sandy hook shootings, in china a man entered a school and stab a bunch if children
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The 'rights' argument is a funny one. No one seems incensed that their right to legally take any drug they like is quashed. But anyone attempt to take a gun off you is suddenly 'my right' to have it. Does anyone not think that the constitution may need a little updating? Not sure your founding fathers had an AR15 in mind when they penned it! Is it not also my right to own a nuclear weapon - provided I had the cash of course? Can I land mine my front lawn? It's my property after all.
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Less rifles means less shootings with rifles. I can't argue with that logic. But it also means more shootings with handguns.Let's break this down in scientific terms.
A crazy muthafucka is gonna be crazy. Why? Because he's a crazy muthafucka. That's his job. If he wants to shoot up a school, a mall, or the entire cast of American Idol (one can only hope), he's going to do it. That's crazy shit that crazy people do. So woe is them, what will they do without their AR-15's? I'm glad you asked. They'll use hanguns, that's what they'll do. Did you really think Mr. Crazy is taking a permanent holiday because the AR-15 is banned? Sorry, no. Does Governor Christie take a minute off from eating? No.
It's the same, dumb logic that banning 10-round magazines does. Wow, so now a nut needs four 7-round mags in NY instead of three 10-rounders. Bcause everyone knows it takes at least 2 hours to insert an extra magazine, thus saving an entire village of people. Whew! That really solved America's violence problem.
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Aub it's just context. And the constitution refers to God-given rights of man, not government-given rights. And you need to look at writings from the era and since then to understand the motivations and translations and debates of the second amendment which was left intentionally simple and direct. But if we are disagreeing on the nuts and bolts of limitations of these rights, can we also limit free speech a little? How about freedom of the press? Shut down the paparazzi and Princess Di is still alive. Let's limit due process too, while we're at it.
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I think god wants me to have an assault rifle. He likes them. That's why he invented them. Spoons make people fat when they are full of trans fats, and I'm not sure if I cAn get the mayo jar open without 30 rounds of hallow point Teflon coated ammo. The drug dealers Obama supply's guns to gets Ar's..why can't I buy one with food stamps? where's my 4k free henchies. Anyone seen my worlds fair spoon? What time is it in Indonesia anyway? Looks like I'm gonna be a felon.
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Tweek wrote:
Maybe on base Tweek, not in a major metropolitan city.Also, kevlar is VERY rare in criminal acts.
Speaking from experience.
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✠Ⓖ❽✠ wrote:
because only assault rifles are capable of killing children?🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
Less assault guns= less schools shooting and other shootings.The mighty and all-knowing federal government will protect us all from guns, and sickness, and evil. And once all the guns are rounded up, it will protect us from tyranny. And tuck us into our cocoons a night and provide for all of our needs.
Once again only military needs assault weapons anyway..... -
♛Çąŋժूƴɱąŋ♛ wrote:
I'm not exaggerating the incident. Just pointing out violent deaths occur even in places where guns are more strictly regulated. I should also note for clarity that only one passenger was killed in the above incident, as I reread how I wrote it, it sounds like there where multiple victims. There was only one.ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
U take one instance and exaggerate it, would u like to compare the murders of all of Canada to any number of major American cities ?〓ＦＡＬＬＡＣＹ〓 wrote:
Where greyhound passengers have their heads cut off with dull knives are canabalized, while the other passengers watch.Lol. I'm so happy I live in Canada.
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What's the purpose of owning an assault weapon anyways? I don't see the problem.
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Watch on YouTube , she's got American balls.
WATCH ALL...
She's Got The Balls To Tell It Like It IS.
Suzanna Gratia Hupp Tells her story of a mad mans shooting spree, that killed her mother and father.
Suzanna was able to carry a side arm but was stopped by a unconstitutional Law prohibiting Her from carrying it into certain areas.
She now speaks before Senate to clarify the True Meaning of The Second Amendment.
To protect the citizen from the on-slot of a TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT.
The Senators look on with contempt or an Innocent confused Look on their crooked-greedy-Faces. -
The constitution was written with broad terms so future generations could interpret it differently. That is why you can add and take away amendments through the correct process of course. If it violates your constitutional right then it will go to the Supreme Court and they will determine if it is constitutional or not.
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El Chubaneebre wrote:
Uhhh... Right to take drugs? No dude in the States the Rights of Man are clearly outlined in the Constitution.The 'rights' argument is a funny one. No one seems incensed that their right to legally take any drug they like is quashed. But anyone attempt to take a gun off you is suddenly 'my right' to have it. Does anyone not think that the constitution may need a little updating? Not sure your founding fathers had an AR15 in mind when they penned it! Is it not also my right to own a nuclear weapon - provided I had the cash of course? Can I land mine my front lawn? It's my property after all.
And for everyone else using the Michael Moore argument, firearms does not include land mines, nukes, and tanks.
And if we are limiting the 2nd amendment why not the fifth? Why not the fourth - if I could search anyone I wanted to without arrest, consent, or exigency I can guarantee I'd save lives.
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I think the win has to go to 71bus and 415. 👍
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