Debate on child molesters and fatal revenge
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Maybe Katie wrote:
Fair enough. I'm replying to this as though your answer was directed at all...💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote: ♠✂♠
There is a difference between defending myself and/or others and planning a revenge killing after the fact. That was the original Q asked wasn't it? If one would seek out the perpetrator after the offence and kill him/her?
Yes, naturally I would use self defense. I'm not stupid. No, I would not seek out the perp after the fact and torture/kill him. The punishment I leave to the legal system.I must ask you what you think a fair punishment would be here:
Say a man abducts a young girl (eg. 6 years old) and rapes her repeatedly. Would you say a couple of decades in jail would be enough?How about if he murders her? What then, in your opinion, should his punishment be?
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Didnt we have this debate in the thread about that guy in texas( lime someone already stated)?
As a farther of a 11yr old girl, if caught in the act, i would not think twice, but the offenders life ends right there and then.
As to beeing abused by whomever in their younger years, its the biggest bullshit act people turn to these days to get a less severe sentence. In fact, imo, because they suffered that kind of abuse during their own childhood, they should be punished more harshly, as they are very well aware of the damage the actual abuse does.
Peeps might disagree, but child abusers just make me sick and ashamed to be human.
Im not going into the debate of the propper punishment though, as to me, you cant punish them enough without crossing a mora, ethical line
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Id kill anyone that harmed my children without hesitation. The justice system is just to lax in the uk. My two girls are my life!
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♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ wrote:
A legal system where all it takes is a conviction and a trip out back is a bad legal system. The data shows that in america at least, death penalty costs significantly more than life in prison.Carpenter wrote:
Why does it cost so much? A .22 bullet costs $0.25 ...Z👿 wrote:
True. Total waste of our money, especially when a given criminal will be on death row 10-20+ years...Death penalty is worthless. Its more expensive than life in prison and doesnt have any advantages. Regardless of the crime capital punishment only serves to settle carnal rage. These feelings are normal, but legalizibg them makes no sense from a societal point of view. Waste of tax money
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@Turfa - What I personally think is an appropriate punishment is irrelevant. There is a legal system in place, like it or not, and I respect that. I can't right a wrong by killing another human being.
Apply your logic to a far more common crime: drunk driving. There are more drunk drivers around your neighborhood and schools than pedophiles. The chances of your child being hit by a driver under the influence of drugs or alcohol are far greater than being sexually violated. It is also drunk drivers that often are repeat offenders, getting little more than a slap on the wrist. Should they also be hunted down and killed? What about domestic abusers?
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Maybe Katie wrote: ♠✂♠
The point of this thread is to learn what people think. You need to re-read my original post. Thankyou.If a drunk driver kills somebody, he will be charged with manslaughter and as such will spend a long time in prison. IMO, if a drunk driver causes a death, then they should never see the outside of a prison cell again. The fact that in reality they only spend ~15-20 years in prison is IMO, wrong.
I do have an opinion on drunk driving, but to be honest, it's a completely different scenario. A drunk driver isn't choosing to destroy people's lives: he/she simply makes a grave mistake which can end horrifically.
I must say ma'am, respectfully, you seem to be missing the point. Please write down your opinion, and keep your comments relevant.
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Z👿 wrote:
I must ask you, why?♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ wrote:
A legal system where all it takes is a conviction and a trip out back is a bad legal system.Carpenter wrote:
♠✂♠Z👿 wrote: ♠✂♠
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Spies in the war are convicted (often unfairly, admittedly) and put in front of a firing squad.
In times gone by, a criminal was convicted and beheaded/hung the next weekend.What's wrong with that? He or she has done the wrong thing and been sentenced to death, so why not kill them within the month? A bullet is humane enough, and it's cheap.
You must remember, what they did wasn't done humanely - they should be grateful that hangings aren't a feasible sentence anymore.
All IMO, of course.
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Most of you people don't even know what it takes to kill a person, doesn't matter the situation. So I pose a scenario, the guy raping your child is both armed and larger than yourself, then what? The whole thing gets turned around now. You can argue that rage will carry you through, I've killed people that had rage. Rage and vengeance were no help. If we are discussing rape, my opinion would be there has to be a reason for someone to forcibly act that way. It is not human nature to rape, it's a learned action. So I stand by my argument that some of these people can be saved and turned into respectable people in society. Others cannot so therefore those people will be dealt with harshly, but for you people thinking rape is the worst crime, you are wrong. People can overcome being raped and live a happy life, death is not overcome. So who are you to end the life of bother human being, where's the compassion? We are not animals, we have the ability to understand right from wrong and in most cases death is wrong!
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@maybe Katie, you seem very leveled heading and I agree with a lot of why you say.
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About this new scenario of drunk driving. It's far more prevalent, I would say confidently that 95% of people have gotten behind the wheel when they've had a little too much to drink. I know I have and bare the scar of a DUI. If a drunk driver kills someone yes that shows negligence and irresponsibility but let's just say his wife left him and she took his kids to run off with his best friend. It doesnt excuse the fact that he broke the law, but most people would have sympathy for this person. Life throws us curve balls and we do the best we can to deal with them. Some people turn to the booze, I know many vets that fallen victim to this, are they breaking the law purposely doubtful, but rather trying to deal with some things they did and saw. So I'm not quick to judge anyone, I think it better to understand what was going on in the brain at the time of the crime.
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Kill the dirty scum bags.
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@Turfa: you say the following...
"The point of this thread is to learn what people think."
I did tell you what I think. For every time I say what I think I am given a new, brutal, horrific situation to give an opinion on. The situation in itself doesn't make me change my opinion, I still believe it is the judicial system that must hand out punishments as the legislative body has decided it should. You don't like it then lobby for a change, get into politics, make a difference.I do not feel safe living in a society where the majority of the population is armed to the teeth and ready to take the law into their own hands as they see fit.
If the people apply "an eye for an eye" soon the entire nation will be blind.
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Damm you're good at this Katie...though I don't agree with your opinion on this matter you put across a very good argument! 👏👏
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^^^ agreed. I never advocate for violence. Sometimes it is necessary but for me it takes more strength to turn the other cheek, then apply the eye for eye attitude. That's such a primitive attitude and has no validity in today's world. Step out of the dark ages
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@turfa
Because killing 1 innocent person is worse than letting 100 go free. Summary executions increase the chance an innocent is killed. So, to combine my initial post and this side debate: death penalty is not good because it costs society too much money, summary execution is not the answer to that problem because it would lead to innocent people being killed more frequently. The solution of jail for life is much better. New evidence can exonerate the living, it does nothing for the dead -
@z👿 your solution still does not address the underlying issues. People that rape rape for a reason. People that kill kill for a reason. We as a society have the obligation to these people to figure out why they do what they do. Maybe it's hereditary, maybe it's a lack of chemicals in the brain. Who knows but I challenge you to find justice in killing a mentally challenged person whom murder a baby because they don't know their own strength. Another scenario but it has to get the point across that not all people that kill or rape or steal or cheap are evil. We are human and we all have our flaws, but instead of not dealing with the problem you want to either lock it away or just cast it aside with death.
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I just watched clockwork orange the other night. The rehabilitation in that movie should be put into effect for rapists. Except show them what they want to see then kick them in the nuts. Over and over. Being kicked in the nuts is not fun. Every guy knows it's one of the worst feelings. So why not get kicked in the nuts multiple times everyday? Condition them to feel that pain everytime they think about rape.
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Truthfully I think that a death sentence is like that old saying an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind executing them is in itself a murder by the state even though they commited the crime whether it be murder rape or some other form of horrible crime you've done nothing but make sure they can't rehabilitate which is the reason while jails and prisons exist now. justice is providing a consequence to an action the is unlawful however an execution is short and although it is death the are still never going to be able to feel the punishment
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Help the criminals get better don't just cast them aside as scum they are people to and should be helped we live a society that promotes helping those in need. criminals are just that people in need of help whether that means teaching them why what they did is wrong or promoting kindness In them by being kind to them even if they are hitler dispite the crime they are humans like you and me
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Lynching is never a good idea, no matter what they did. Do some people deserve the death sentence? Mass Murderer Breivik, and Luka Magnotta do. Should common citizens take matters in their own hands? Nope.
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De Rick well said man well said :) I don't know about being kicked in the nuts over and over as that can cause life long effects, even sterilization. But something like that might help the mind see the things they are addicted to as bad. Maybe just shock therapy might do the trick or even serotonin supplements can have great effects. As a lack of that chemical in the brain can cause all sorts of issues like, depression which in turn can make people do bad things.
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I completely understand the emotional reaction, and the desire to immediately kill someone that harms loved ones. It's natural, and normal.
That said, our society embraces 17th century western philosophy, particularly the writings of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes.
The price of living in society is that justice and retribution must be separated from those emotionally involved. It must be impartial. If it is not, the innocent may be punished, the punishment may be too severe.
This is the law, and vigilante justice is a crime in our society for good reason.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Exactly.I completely understand the emotional reaction, and the desire to immediately kill someone that harms loved ones. It's natural, and normal.
That said, our society embraces 17th century western philosophy, particularly the writings of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes.
The price of living in society is that justice and retribution must be separated from those emotionally involved. It must be impartial. If it is not, the innocent may be punished, the punishment may be too severe.
This is the law, and vigilante justice is a crime in our society for good reason.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Good point, but useing the example of the man in Texas given an opportunity like that most parents would act on instinct, it's only the involvement of 3ed party's that prevent that.I completely understand the emotional reaction, and the desire to immediately kill someone that harms loved ones. It's natural, and normal.
That said, our society embraces 17th century western philosophy, particularly the writings of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes.
The price of living in society is that justice and retribution must be separated from those emotionally involved. It must be impartial. If it is not, the innocent may be punished, the punishment may be too severe.
This is the law, and vigilante justice is a crime in our society for good reason.
I'm very much for justice, everybody treated exactly the same, no matter who they are or what they have done, I'm anti death penalty but given the opportunity I'd kill them. -
Maybe Katie wrote:
Or maybe we will finally stop taking each others eyes.If the people apply "an eye for an eye" soon the entire nation will be blind.
What if it takes half the sight in the world to finally see the light?
When it has been done to them, maybe this will finally stop happening, people will become moral, they will see that hurting others is not optimal, and the wrong that has been caused to both others and themselves.
Now, we probably can't hire people to rape our rapists, there must be another solution. The way I hear it, prisoners have wives and kids 9/10 times. They won't like being put in a cell with someone who could just as well raped his wife or molested his child. So, if our rapist has hell behind bars and more hell in hell, will he realize his wrongdoing? -
Half of you are still missing the original point of the thread, I think.
However, on that note, you are all putting foward mostly decent and reasonable arguments, and I find myself reluctantly agreeing with some of you.
This does not mean to say that I change my view - heaven forbid I change my stance midway through.Somebody mentioned the old saying, 'better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be punished.' ... I am inclined to agree. Re-read the statement: it gives the 100 guilty men 2 options, and they are both freedom. So why give them freedom and lock up/kill an innocent man?
I will admit: the justice systems of many countries (yours and mine included) do fall short sometimes.
This is why we weren't originally discussing the legal system!
My opinion on capital punishment is irrelevant: if I found some guy molesting/killing a child, and I was capable of overpowering him (good point from an earlier post), I'd most certainly do my best to kill him.
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Why kill him when you can just do your best to stop the assault? If you have to kill him, that's one thing. If you don't have to, and you do anyway, I'm afraid that's murder.
Say you knock him down and out with a board. He's no longer a threat. The cops are on the way.
You'd then saw his head off for revenge, or to achieve "justice", because you don't think the legal system is tough enough?
It's a violation of the social contract. It's understandable, but it's still murder, and by all rights you should be judged and punished. I dare say in most places you would be.
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Lucky for everyone in the USA child rapist don't go so well in prison (most of them are killed py other prisoners). For example I give Jerry Sandusky 1 year to live at most.
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I would end said persons life in heart beat. I am a very lucky person. My family has no history what so ever of pedophiles etc but a lot of my good friends do and some of them are victims of it. A lot of my friends are mentally scarred from it and I'll never let it happen to my son.
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I work in law enforcement. Heres a dose of real life. Think about this. A man rapes a 5 year old girl. Then he rapes her with a stick, so hard that it punctures trough to her intestines and stomach. Then smashes her head with a rock. Any piece of shit that would have sex with a child or think that it is ok is only wasting good air and space on this planet. Anyone who dose not agree you too have no place on this earth👆!
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