Debate on child molesters and fatal revenge
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You just made a blanket statement after saying you cant make blanket statements. And that is an argument from ignorance my friend, you do not know if those people can be helped or not. It's an addiction, maybe a thrill for some. I don't know but to not try is awful. I know 40 year old guys that date 18 year old girls, even older guys do that. Age is number and frankly I believe consent is consent. High school age girls know what they are doing, who are we to tell them what they are doing is wrong. I think other societies handle sex much better than America and we should be taking notes not restricting it further. Because we all know what happens become illegal or prohibited. Look at the alcohol prohibition, terrible fail. Restrictions on guns and it's a huge problem. The more restrictions always leads to more problems.
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All governments derive their authority from the people. Even a dictator can only be in power until the people rise up and say enough. If I don't like the laws my government passes I have the power to petition them to be changed. So yes the government DOES get its authority from me.
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I call bullshit over and over again. Remember when Bush made that special law where the government can listen to your conversations? You had and have no say in that. The government can care less about you. No offense man, but in our history what law has ever been overturned by a petition?? More radical actions have changed laws but in this day and age radical actions aren't very popular. So again I say you have no authority in the passing or establishing of laws.
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I wasn't arguing against a 40 year old man dating an 18 year old. My statement was about an older man abusing a child. Do you honestly think that type of behavior can be fixed?
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First, the term child, at what age are we drawing the line there? I would say 13 and under but that's just my opinion and is in no way my personal beliefs. But personal beliefs should never enter a debate. I think human behaviors can be regulated and possibly permanent fixed. Who knows what traumatic event happened to that person. Maybe they suffer from PTSD and find comfort in young girls because they are trusting. Please understand this is hypothetical and just a scenario. Maybe it's low self esteem and a lack of social interaction. Those could be sime to fix, if one is given the time of day by someone whom actually cares about helping people for the greater good.
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The Sugar Act, The Stamp Act? Things aren't changed overnight but history shows even the most powerful governments fall when their people get fed up with abuses.
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For the sake of this debate, 13 is an acceptable limit to define child. And I admire your ability to try and see a "fix" to their mental state. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, I see it as a mental defect that can't be remedied. Anyone that is capable of harming a child in that way should never be allowed to re enter normal society. I feel that it's on par with murder. Btw I also feel that murderers should never be released either.
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Please let us know what happens when you stand up to the US government. Don't pay your taxes, let's test this out. And really the sugar act and stamp act of the 1750's and 60's. Before we even declared our independence. Come on man what century are you living in. My argument is still valid you have zero say about the laws of our nation, congrats on that. Embrace it and let it go man.
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But you come into the debates with these presuppositions. I believe it's not a mental disability that causes them to do harm and in most cases it's just because the girl gives the man attention that he never got before. Now there are gross people that do this because they are evil, but it's not the majority. I have taken a few criminology classes and some behavioral science classes and it's typically guys with young girls. And the men have a histor of being abused themselves, so in retrospect they themselves are victims too but they never got justice or help in their time of need.
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Look it's not rape if you like it and I'm not saying that as a joke it's true Hebrew hitman is right people got married before 20 people today are pussys All most all of this worlds laws are based on morals and we don't need them
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I never said that though. I believe morals are what laws should be based on, but defiantly not religious morals. But rather common human morals, don't steal, don't kill, don't rape, don't have sex with children. But the consequences aren't always just rash and harsh either. We are human people will make mistakes and even if someone kills a person they should have the opportunity to right their wrong. Their life should not be wasted because of that mistake.
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Also every one under 18 is a pedo becouse when you were in high school you wonted to do it with your girl friend but if you 2 were 17 then it would be rape and you would be be listed as a sex affender
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💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
Ya till you protest and shoot you with a beanbag gun I was a occupy wall streetAll governments derive their authority from the people. Even a dictator can only be in power until the people rise up and say enough. If I don't like the laws my government passes I have the power to petition them to be changed. So yes the government DOES get its authority from me.
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💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
So what your saying is in order to Change the law we need to have a revloutionThe Sugar Act, The Stamp Act? Things aren't changed overnight but history shows even the most powerful governments fall when their people get fed up with abuses.
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I believe we both came into this with strong opinions and beliefs. Just because mine aren't the same as yours doesn't make mine wrong. So just because he was traumatized as a child somehow let's him off the hook for doing the same thing to a 10 year old? And you said " attention they've never gotten before". If a grown man misinterprets a child's kindness as an invitation to sexual abuse, wouldn't you qualify that as a mental defect?
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No air I left my personal beliefs at the door. I debate all the time don't worry people always use their own emotions. My personal believe is that 16 should be legal sex age but I think for the greater majority it should be dropped to 14. I'm 29 with a 26 year old gf so I'm not a creepo, I am just sick of all this sex obsession. Let's just say you were a 5 year old kid and your dad molested you until age 12. You weren't allowed to have friends or talk to anyone outside your home. Now you're 35 with no social skills and a past full of what you think was normal. Wouldn't you tend to have those same behaviors? Now there's a chance that you learned that behavior was wrong but if you didn't, then are you just mentally disabled?
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And he/she wouldn't get off the hook lol there would still be consequences and jail time.
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Look back at your posts, how many sentences did you start with I believe? Is that leaving your beliefs at the door? No. You can't debate without beliefs. And I didn't use my emotions. Just my opinions. Now to answer your question.
Would being abused as a child make you more likely to abuse children. Maybe. But should that be a factor in their punishment. I don't believe so. If someone grows up with alcoholic parents and then kill someone while drinking and driving, should they be punished less severely because they were
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I believe in harsh justice, that those who break laws (Not just any law I am talking murder, rape, those that involve serious scarring of others for the rest of their lives.) These are the people who deserve it.
An Eye for an Eye? Should the people who kill be killed?
In cold blood, I believe so. When the one killed is unarmed, I call it murder, besides some special cases.
Sexual abuse. Something needs to be done with these people, but a word on consent?
I say 16 is appropriate age for sex WITH consent, and without consent, the assaulter goes to prison.
Under 16 to prison consent or not.
Small children about 10 or so?
3x the child's age in prison.
6 or less I'd say is worthy of death. Who deserving to live would do such a thing?
These are all based on the assaulter being in 20s. -
Omfg.
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🔲ً大Фཀཀ¥།ㄹㅐλИDᎦ🔲 wrote:
Not at all. That is the last resort but when all else fails it is sometimes necessary. The reason why governments are able to pass stupid laws is because people are apathetic.💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
So what your saying is in order to Change the law we need to have a revloutionThe Sugar Act, The Stamp Act? Things aren't changed overnight but history shows even the most powerful governments fall when their people get fed up with abuses.
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@hebrew hitman, it sounds like you're assuming consent of the younger partner. I don't think that laws regarding statutory should be sweeping, but handled on a case by case basis with regard to the particular situation. While I believe a 40 y/o man taking advantage of the naivity of a young girl for sex is wrong, the distinction between consensual or non-consensual sex should be made. If I caught a man forcibly raping a woman against her will, especially someone I personally cared for, I would intervene, and if necessary, kill him. As far as the legal system goes, I believe the harshest punishment should be dealt.
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Maybe Katie wrote:
Au Contrair. If you read my post again, I simply stated that as my belief. Try not to sound too accusing when posting your rebuttals, my friend.♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ wrote:
This is one of the reasons it isn't possible to have a proper debate on a subject such as this. You have already decided that any opposition is out of their mind...✂Some debate. I agree with all three of you.
To be honest though, I believe that you'd have to be out of your mind to not agree.
In regards to the rest of your post, I respect your opinion. You make a valid point, nonetheless I will stand by what I believe.
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Carpenter wrote:
Why does it cost so much? A .22 bullet costs $0.25 ...Z👿 wrote:
True. Total waste of our money, especially when a given criminal will be on death row 10-20+ years...Death penalty is worthless. Its more expensive than life in prison and doesnt have any advantages. Regardless of the crime capital punishment only serves to settle carnal rage. These feelings are normal, but legalizibg them makes no sense from a societal point of view. Waste of tax money
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DoN🎩DriZZy wrote:
I most certainly agree with this. However, if I was put in this situation, I know myself well enough to know that I'd want to end their life myself. I'm no torturer, but I would make an excellent executioner✮⇚❹☠❶☠❺⇛✮ wrote:
This^The point isn't whether it's moral, it'd be an extreme emotional reaction on most people's part. Whether molestors gets life w/o parole or death, I don't care, but I'm tired of seeing evil people get a few years and be out. If you're a predator of children, at that point I don't want you helped - I want you off the streets forever one way or the other.
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Hebrew Hitman wrote:
True. I suppose I fell short of the mark here.So then we would need to redefine the term "child" right? What constitutes a child? Actually in a good debate terms should be agreed upon anyways?
I would regard any person below the age of 16 as a child - HOWEVER, for the purpose of this debate I was thinking about my youngest sister.
She is eight.
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tommy dangerous wrote:
^this.@Hebrew Hitman
I agree with some of what you've said. There are definitely different degrees of sex offenders. You can't just make a blanket statement that they should all be killed. I don't think that was anyone's point. But there is a definite difference between a 19 year old having sex with a 16 year old; and a 40 year old who rapes a young child. That type of person can't be rehabilitated. You can't fix that type of mental defect. -
Alright, I've read everyone's comments and I've noticed a couple of things people are saying.
1). Please remember, we are not just talking about America here. Most of this conversation has been based in America - please, forget the US laws for now. They don't apply everywhere.
2). By child, I think we've settled on the age of 13 and below. Personally, I'd have put it a little higher, but it's not really an issue.
3). Offender age is irrelivant. We are discussing rape, so the offender could be 19, or 99. Same story, saggier skin.
4). The original question was:
HOW would YOU react? Please, give a reason. Make it logical and respectful to other posters. -
Before anyone takes offence to my point #2 in the previous post where I say it's not an issue, please refer to point #3.
We are discussing rape of a minor. So age (1 years - 16 years old) is irrelevant. There is no grey area - rape is rape - however:
Rape of a minor is simply taking advantage of a defenceless person (a woman can generally defend herself more than a little girl/boy) and is as such even more sickening.
You all know my opinion on such an offender. They know right and wrong. Don't give me that 'upbringing' bullshit. They know they're breaking the law and destroying people's lives.
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💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
There is a difference between defending myself and/or others and planning a revenge killing after the fact. That was the original Q asked wasn't it? If one would seek out the perpetrator after the offence and kill him/her?@Maybe Katie, when someone breaks into your home and begins to rape you or your children are you going to wait for "the proper authorities"? Or are you going to "take the law into your own hands"? The government gets its authority from me not the other way around.
Yes, naturally I would use self defense. I'm not stupid. No, I would not seek out the perp after the fact and torture/kill him. The punishment I leave to the legal system.
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