Debate on child molesters and fatal revenge
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It's probably my irrational fear of authority.
Maybe hunting down and killing my horribly abusive father would solve that problem. Lucky for him, I don't know where he is!
Lucky for me, too I think.
I like you Olsen. You are open and honest about yourself, and not afraid to admit you aren't perfect when it comes to behaving in society.
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BN is again bringing something very relevant into the discussion, the fact that the perp most often is someone very close to the family, someone the child knows well.
I fully understand the emotions of rage when one's child has been violated in some way. But I also think there are other equally valid, and conflicting, emotions involved. It may not be as simple to kill your own father, your own brother, your partner, or (yes, I'll dare say it!) your one child to avenge the crime committed on the other child. Molestation is often a horrible family tragedy, where relationships between everyone are under extreme stress. My opinion is that in order to keep the damage to a minimum, focus must be on healing the child, and the family bonds that remain or one wishes to remain, not on seeking justice outside of the law.
And yes, I understand the primal urge to seek death of the person who has harmed your child. But I also see the complexities in doing so, legally, morally, socially, psychologically. -
Add: OLSEN wrote:
Amen.And tbh the way the legal system is down here at the moment. I could probably plead my way down to manslaughter and be outta jail in 5 years. Lay the sad story on them, pretend to show remorse while the whole time telling them how bad I feel for what he did to my kid. Easy peasy. Not a jury in the country who would convict a person for murder after a story like that.
This, people, is why I keep asking that you stop assuming any country in particular's laws would apply to you: you need to remember that people from all walks of life from all around the world are commenting here ...
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True Turfa, laws differ from country to country. But there isn't a single country in what we generally refer to as the west that allows, condones, or encourages vigilante justice or revenge killings.
Legal systems are flawed, no doubt about it. I agree that there should be far harsher sentences applied to certain crimes, sexual assault and crimes against children included. But I don't believe that the way to go is taking the law into your own hands. -
Maybe Katie wrote:
I understand where you are coming from.(snipped) ... Molestation is often a horrible family tragedy, ...(snipped)
I think if I saw a family member committing such a crime it would break my heart, and I'd probably prefer to retreat than kill. How could you kill somebody that you are related to - somebody you love?
I also understand that in doing so, I'd be contradicting myself terribly: I could attack a stranger but I don't think I could attack a relative. Be glad, I suppose, that I'm not in charge of making laws, eh?
Honestly. But, seeing a family member molesting another family member would hurt me twice as much as seeing a stranger doing so. Am I making sense? I'm finding it hard to put into words what I'm thinking. Understand that this subject is close to my heart.
Perhaps I should bow out of my own thread. 😔
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This thread could go on forever. Guess we should all just accept that people have very strong feelings on the matter and, rightly or wrongly, would react differently. Opinions and values wont be swayed here but interesting to see others' points of views. I too am bowing out. Tech™ ✌
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Not at all Turfa, this is where the debate gets interesting. This is where we start to look at the complexities involved in a general "kill 'em all" statement. There is so much more involved :)
It is easier to turn hate and rage towards the stranger lurking out there. It isn't quite as easy with the people we have around us. Statistics show that the perp is most often a person we know and trust. This is what makes it so damn hard.
I hope none of us ever have to be faced with that reality. -
Maybe Katie wrote:
Then chances are you didn't really know the REAL at all...Not at all Turfa, this is where the debate gets interesting. This is where we start to look at the complexities involved in a general "kill 'em all" statement. There is so much more involved :)
It is easier to turn hate and rage towards the stranger lurking out there. It isn't quite as easy with the people we have around us. Statistics show that the perp is most often a person we know and trust. This is what makes it so damn hard.
I hope none of us ever have to be faced with that reality. -
As lawyers find every day at work, each case in unique. I do, however, stand by my statements: if I were to walk into a room/shed/field/forest and find a stranger assaulting any of my young relatives, they would certainly regret it. Be it with my fists, a random object or a gun, they would suffer. It's just the way I would react in the heat of the moment.
Thank God I've never been put in this exact situation, though I've definitely been exposed to some similar (less damaging) situations on several occasions.
My family, and the families of several friends, have suffered with people's sick minds. This is why I can state my opinions so firmly. They aren't only opinions: they're fact, in my case at least.
I doubt I would hunt any child molester down if I was to find out about the incident afterwards. I would probably want to, but I'd be more focused on repairing the damage. However, if theirs and my paths crossed later in life, I honestly can't say I'd let them go unharmed.
I'm finished.
/rant✌
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Ok I'll end this look I'm all for human rights but think about this some one rapes some one in your family I like to say to my self I wouldn't be worse then the person who did it but I know the truth is I would fly off the handle like some one called cps on my mom on totally false charges and I got so pissed I grabbed my knife and ran out the door and tryed to find out the son of a bitch that said it they were lucky I didint find out who said it we all like to think that we are all good people that were perfect but were not we're human I believe in an eye of an eye not fucking human judgement becouse like I said humans are not perfect so a whole room full of them judgeing some on is fare from it eye for an eye
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🔲ً大Фཀཀ¥།ㄹㅐλИDᎦ🔲 wrote:
Well it did happen to my step daughter and he is doing 5 years (fucking joke)justice will be served in 3 years time.Ok I'll end this look I'm all for human rights but think about this some one rapes some one in your family I like to say to my self I wouldn't be worse then the person who did it but I know the truth is I would fly off the handle like some one called cps on my mom on totally false charges and I got so pissed I grabbed my knife and ran out the door and tryed to find out the son of a bitch that said it they were lucky I didint find out who said it we all like to think that we are all good people that were perfect but were not we're human I believe in an eye of an eye not fucking human judgement becouse like I said humans are not perfect so a whole room full of them judgeing some on is fare from it eye for an eye
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Ever seen the movie law abiding citizen? There is no limit for what i would do if someone brought harm to my kids. And I would honestly care less about what happened to them in their lives to make them that way.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Cheers mate. After destroying my life several times doing things without thinking I have found that if I'm not honest with myself about the things I do, then how can I be honest with anybody else. Fortunately I have changed my life for the better and work everyday to keep it that way. I still have a temper but since the birth of my son it seems to be easy to control. Of course something like what is asked in this thread could easily change it.It's probably my irrational fear of authority.
Maybe hunting down and killing my horribly abusive father would solve that problem. Lucky for him, I don't know where he is!
Lucky for me, too I think.
I like you Olsen. You are open and honest about yourself, and not afraid to admit you aren't perfect when it comes to behaving in society.
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If I caught someone in the act, they would die. I would not spend a day in prison because our laws allow for the use of deadly force to stop a sexual assault. There is no question on innocence because it was in the act. End of story. Where it would get interesting is if I found out about it the next day. I try to help humanity every day I work (firefighter & paramedic) and I am usually rational. However; my first thought would be to pull their lips and cheeks off with a pair of pliers just to make it easier to knock each tooth out one at a time with a ball peen hammer. Then I would start to get medieval on their ass. That would be my first thought, not necessarily my first action. Honestly I'm not sure what I would do if I found out after the fact. Action then would lead to jail time = time away from my kids.
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My gf was raped. She still has nightmares about it sometimes. Her thrashing wakes me up at night, and after I wake her, I spend the rest of the night holding her while she cries. It kills me to see that. It makes me physically sick, and all I can think about is inflicting as much pain on the motherfucker as I can. I know he's raped multiple girls. He's a predator, and I would not hesitate to kill him if I ever get the chance. If that makes me an animal, fine. I'll be whatever I need to be to protect the people I love. Really, who's the animal? The coward who feeds on those weaker, or the person who removes the worthless piece of shit from "civilized" society. Fuck rehabilitation. Some people don't deserve anther chance.
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Tonytlj add:TLJ wrote:
No offense, because I really do understand... But why don't you give her a kiss, tell her you will see her in 8-10 years, and go find the guy and do it?My gf was raped. She still has nightmares about it sometimes. Her thrashing wakes me up at night, and after I wake her, I spend the rest of the night holding her while she cries. It kills me to see that. It makes me physically sick, and all I can think about is inflicting as much pain on the motherfucker as I can. I know he's raped multiple girls. He's a predator, and I would not hesitate to kill him if I ever get the chance. If that makes me an animal, fine. I'll be whatever I need to be to protect the people I love. Really, who's the animal? The coward who feeds on those weaker, or the person who removes the worthless piece of shit from "civilized" society. Fuck rehabilitation. Some people don't deserve anther chance.
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With my ex, she knew who the guys were. She faced them in court. They are free now.
The babysitter that messed her up as a kid, she knows who that is, too.
We angry protectors, like a little yappy dog pulling on a leash at a stranger walking by, we are angry and violent. We are sick to our stomachs. But when our owner lets go of the leash, our brain kicks in and we stop yapping.
If I go kill these people, I go away. Her pain continues, now worse in my absence. I can no longer protect her and she becomes more fearful. Killing them doesn't undo the damage. It creates more.
She will heal over time, and you should man up and be there to help her. Don't man up and make it worse. Use reason rather than rage.
I understand. But you should stop entertaining the red meat instinct. It's a waste of energy.
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And a quick side note to those that think debate online is pointless:
I isn't. I have modified my opinions through online debate with others, and I have swayed others with my positions.
Even if you don't change your mind towards your opponent's position, you may strengthen and clarify your own opinion just for putting it into a logical structure for your opponent.
Debate got Socrates killed, and he thought it was worth it.
The Internet would have made Socrates blow his load in delight.
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I'm with Hooligan. Given an opportunity we could all take matters into our own hands.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Now here is something that you an I agree on. Lol 👍And a quick side note to those that think debate online is pointless:
I isn't. I have modified my opinions through online debate with others, and I have swayed others with my positions.
Even if you don't change your mind towards your opponent's position, you may strengthen and clarify your own opinion just for putting it into a logical structure for your opponent.
Debate got Socrates killed, and he thought it was worth it.
The Internet would have made Socrates blow his load in delight.
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My opinion is this... if it happens to my child then the molester will have to answer to God for his actions... I'll just arrange the meeting :-D
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