Debate on child molesters and fatal revenge
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◢☠jͥoͫƎ☠◣ wrote:
Maybe I started it, but I also have the power to end it.Wow. Look what you've started turfa😂
As long as we can remain moderately civil and respectful, this conversation will be allowed to continue. As Grimm said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
HH, do us all a favour and keep the insults to a minimum. We understand what you've been through, and I for one respect your opinion, but seriously, calling people animals for wanting to protect their loved ones, that is truly going too far. Just because we don't agree on something doesn't mean we need to resort to name-calling.
You know my opinion on pedophiles, and I know yours. Let's allow some other people to have their say, eh? This is, after all, a generally hypothetical topic. See where I'm coming from mate? ✌
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Tech: You would kill without hesitation, someone abusing their own infant.. And you are a mental health nurse. This amazes me. I guess the prisons have to be filled with somebody... May as well be you.
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243-165-789 wrote:
Sorry, no offense.. But there is a cure for your ignorance of the social contract. Go back to school. It's not MY social contract. It belongs to our society, and everyone in it is obligated to comply. That's why we have prisons. It's for those that don't give a shit about "my" bullshit social contract and do whatever the hell they want to do.Social contract?
Never heard such bullshit. Sorry but I have no obligation to anybody but those who I choose and a man abusing my children is not on that list and if they were that would most certainly be a breach of terms and conditions forfeiting any rights they may previously have had under your social contract.There is a reason it is illegal for you to execute a human being, do you agree? Do you understand why under no circumstances is it acceptable to perform a revenge killing?
Naw, man. That's bullshit! I decide who I think should be killed. Damn right.
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It's not ignorance, its that I haven't had to pledge alligence to your contract.
As i said before, Im against the death penalty but given the opportunity, I'd do the same as that bloke in Texas. -
Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Perhaps I never explained myself correctly and that's why I deleted. I meant MY kids. Although I would have to think it through, as I wouldn't want my kids to grow up without a father too. And for any other paedophiles, I could gladly sit there and watch someone end their pathetic existence without batting an eyelid. If being a mental health nurse makes that worse to you, then so be it, it is what it is. Ive 'nursed' many paedophiles and, whilst absoluty despising what they have done, i have done my job professionally. And rest assured I won't be spending time in prisons any time soon and would go out of my way to 'help' stop someone else too.Tech: You would kill without hesitation, someone abusing their own infant.. And you are a mental health nurse. This amazes me. I guess the prisons have to be filled with somebody... May as well be you.
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243-165-789 wrote:
Ahhhhh, but it's not my contract. It's the law, and you don't need to agree with it to be obliged to follow it, or accept the consequences if you don't.It's not ignorance, its that I haven't had to pledge alligence to your contract.
As i said before, Im against the death penalty but given the opportunity, I'd do the same as that bloke in Texas.It is the contract of government, an agreement that is binding, like it or not.
A primary function of government is to relieve you of the power to implement your own justice, so that everyone may receive impartial judgement.
If you don't understand this concept, I suggest reading up on classical western philosophy. That stuff Jefferson wrote about, and the basis for most of the world's modern justice system.
Please don't kill anyone until you look this stuff up.
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Jefferson believed in Nature's Law. Man's Law can be flawed. If it was the law that before you could marry your wife the local magistrate got to take her virginity would you be obliged to follow that? Don't rape my kid and I won't kill you. That's my contract with you.
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💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
Read a book, jeesh.Jefferson believed in Nature's Law. Man's Law can be flawed. If it was the law that before you could marry your wife the local magistrate got to take her virginity would you be obliged to follow that? Don't rape my kid and I won't kill you. That's my contract with you.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Your mom reads books. Sheesh.💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
Read a book, jeesh.Jefferson believed in Nature's Law. Man's Law can be flawed. If it was the law that before you could marry your wife the local magistrate got to take her virginity would you be obliged to follow that? Don't rape my kid and I won't kill you. That's my contract with you.
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💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
Exactly.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Your mom reads books. Sheesh.💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
Read a book, jeesh.Jefferson believed in Nature's Law. Man's Law can be flawed. If it was the law that before you could marry your wife the local magistrate got to take her virginity would you be obliged to follow that? Don't rape my kid and I won't kill you. That's my contract with you.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Precisely.💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
Exactly.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Your mom reads books. Sheesh.💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
Read a book, jeesh.Jefferson believed in Nature's Law. Man's Law can be flawed. If it was the law that before you could marry your wife the local magistrate got to take her virginity would you be obliged to follow that? Don't rape my kid and I won't kill you. That's my contract with you.
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Turfa you wanted this to be a debate and then your telling us if you think otherwise we should piss off
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This is why I hate debating online. I'm upset with myself for getting sucked into it. First, you will never change someone's mind in a forum debate. Getting someone to at least understand your point of view is only slightly more likely, while being insulted for having a point of view different that the all knowing bastard protected by the anonymity of the Internet is absolutely guaranteed. I'm as guilty of the insults as anyone. But what frustrates me the most is that it brings out the part of people that is restrained in real life...
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Face to face, the chance that someone would tell me in a condescending tone to use logic or tell me to read a book is outrageously small compared to the "Internet bravery" used on a forum. Face to face, the chance of me knocking some asshole out like niccolo is 100%. But, this is the Internet, I can only say that because I'm hiding behind my anonymity huh? I can already hear the response to this. "that's why we have laws, to protect society from animals like you who can't control their temper".
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I'm a very kind and gentle person, I can't understand why people are mean to each other. I say Sir and Ma'am to strangers and I go out of my way to look people in the eye and smile at them on the street. I'm not the animal, I don't like to hurt people that don't deserve it, not even with my words. Oddly enough though I don't get disrespected that often in person, even when I discuss politics and religion. On the Internet for some reason I suddenly find people who have this need to find an outlet for the asshole they keep hidden from public. Heaven forbid the topic if child molesters get my blood boiling and the evolutionary instinct to remove such scum from the earth emerge and I get passionate about expressing my opinion. Never did I think I'd have to explain why I thought the life of a pedophile lacked value. If you empathize with a child rapist in any shape manner or form then stay the hell away from me and my daughter.
I apologize for my rant. It's my fault for trying to "debate" on GD
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To my old friend Nobody, I'm with ya bro. Props to your rant. I understand trust me. I never knew I could love something the way I love my daughter. It's unconditional.
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Agreed with both above posters. If you have a child, and you dont love it unconditionally, something is wrong with the relationship you have or have not builded up.
I agree grimm, its amazing how the love for a child of your own can suck you up like it does.As to nobody, i understand and agree, but whAt also comes into play is that written text is lackIng emotion.
What i mean by that is that you can write something that to you is totally calm and such, while the reader could pick it up as totally agressive. -
I also do not understand why people even defend child molesters.
Call them sick and in need of a treatement.It is just that very same reason that gets my blood boiling. And like ive stated before, it disgusts and sickens me if an offender uses the "i was abused as a child myself" or "i had a bad childhood" excuse to get away or get less severe punishment.
If they were really, that should give them more reasons to not do it themselves.Im sure that hebrew hitman did and will do anything within his power to not do what happened to himself. (no disrepect intended!!!) but would it give him a reason to do the same? ( again, no disrespect i tended, just giving an example)
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We're not talking law were talking revenge.
The world isn't based around the theory of a social contract maybe in the states it played an important part but not quoated often here and there's also freedom of choice, I choose to end this mans life knowing that I will probbly face the court while also knowing there are provisions in the law for this type of act, (mitigating circumstances? that may be wrong)
I believe the man in Texas was let of because of the circumstances, how would that fit in with the social contract, the state who he also has this contract with let him off. -
Well if you have ever been locked up before and I mean not jail , but prison with such filth , MoMo's are their name. MOlesters : I'm really not going to break it down to deep , but I can tell you most MoMos give off a funky ass feeling to your guy when they are near and you need to listen to your inner feelings when it starts to warn you .
Most MoMos are in PC as the real criminals want to strangle out all MoMos as they come off the Prison bus on day one . Same for women prisons too .
You know what you have to do if the law is not really going to take care of business . lifers in prison usually can reach such filth but it does cost you ( get it ) ! Hope this helps
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♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ wrote:
So does a life/death sentence by a court. You killing the pedophile does the same thing, but it also puts you ina position where you're the one sitting in said court, and the child, you so desperately want to "protect", is left alone without a father. Where's your logic in this?Hebrew Hitman wrote:
Killing might not take away the pain, but it'll prevent others being hurt by a sick, twisted individual.Shadow king that's a nice way to put it. We all would want to do harm to the person, but death is extreme and should never be taken lightly. If it is than you deserve the same punishment. Vengeance will never take back the events that took place. Killing will never take away that pain.
This isn't the 18th century, bro, lynching is barbaric, no matter who you're going after. -
♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ wrote:
♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ 1 day ago Quote◢☠jͥoͫƎ☠◣ wrote:
.....Wow. Look what you've started turfa😂
As long as we can..pectful, ... As Grimm said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
...doesn't mean we need to resort to name-calling.
You know my opinion on .hypothetical.? ✌
I honestly don't understand how anyone could feel any differently about these people. How could you sit here and defend them?? You have obviously never been put in this situation. You have obviously been fortunate enough to grow up in a safe environment where pedophiles never had a chance to hurt you.Please, PISS THE FUCK OFF! You don't know what you are talking about. Pedophiles have no excuse. They know what they're doing. They are simply fucked up. And you are fucked up for defending them.
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Uh-huh.
Maybe if you will do as I did, which was to begin by acknowledging the validity of your emotional urge to be an animal, I wouldn't have to keep swinging the hammer. You won't give me an inch, and you are disrespecting me. I am simply returning the favor.
The problem is not the Internet.
The problem is that you are completely denying my point of view, the point of view of civilized humans, the law, common sense, any form of human restraint.
You can't just say that revenge killing has a downside? You can't admit that living in a society means that your "freedom of choice" is limited? You can't admit that there are gray areas of sex abuse?
No. Kill it with fire is all you have to say.
Well, I'm sorry... But you just don't understand the structure of western culture. That's called ignorant.
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The problem is the Internet and the anonymity it provides you. You debase the argument with name calling when if this discussion were face to face you'd be showing more restraint with your "hammer swinging". You speak of civilized culture yet you follow the same animal instincts you frown upon by seeking to instigate bad feelings. Your motive has nothing to do with helping shape my point of view but to embarrass anyone who disagrees with you.
I'll take the bait though. I do believe in laws and civilized society. In my opinion restraint is one of the greatest reasons for coming to this existence. Learning to overcome our animal instincts and withstand immediate gratification. At the same time I will go to prison and I will go to hell if anyone ever harms my daughter. I can live with those consequences. If the law fails to protect my daughter then why should it protect the scumbag that harmed my child?
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You used social contract as a counter argument and have been quite rude calling people animals for saying they would kill the child molester but the very laws you have been quoting have said that the man in texas was allowed to do what he did.
Released without charge.
Therefore we are right in our belief that this is both a morally and legally acceptable thing to do, depending on the individual's emotions at the time.Why stonewall and insult people just because you don't agree with them, your views arnt everybody's views no regardless of what book you quoat.
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Excuse me... The guy in Texas seems to have stumbled on to the act, and the circumstances are not clear to me. If it was immediate defense of his child's safety, that's one thing.
But no judge in his right mind would condone a parent hearing about an incident, even first hand, seeking out the alleged perp and killing them. The type and severity of the original crime doesn't matter. That's called premeditated murder.
They also released George Zimmerman without charge. How do you feel about that?
When you think morality demands murder, you might want to spend some time looking at your belief system, and wonder why it doesn't line up with society as a whole.
You stupid bastards suggest I condone child molestation. Of course I'm going to get rude.
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Okay, I have done some research on this Texas incedent.
1. It's very clear the father did not want to kill Flores. He screamed over the 911 call that he needed help because the guy was going to die, and even threatened to take the guy to the hospital in his own truck if they couldn't get there in time to save him.
2. A grand jury reviewed the case, CONSIDERED A HOMICIDE, and decided that he was defending the safety of his daughter on his property. The district attorney decided not to file charges because he acted in defense of his family and it was not excessive force.
So.... Revenge killing this was not. Intentional killing this was not.
You guys are not "just like the father in Texas".
Due process. Every time.
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Again with the name calling. I'd be flustered too if I was stuck defending the life of a sick worthless pedophile. Must eat at your soul huh? If you've got one.
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💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
...Just like the father in Texas, hmmmm? Trying to defend the child molester's life to the very end. You are one sick mofo.Again with the name calling. I'd be flustered too if I was stuck defending the life of a sick worthless pedophile. Must eat at your soul huh? If you've got one.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Says the pedophilephile.💀ṉͥōƀͣōͫƌỷ💀 wrote:
...Just like the father in Texas, hmmmm? Trying to defend the child molester's life to the very end. You are one sick mofo.Again with the name calling. I'd be flustered too if I was stuck defending the life of a sick worthless pedophile. Must eat at your soul huh? If you've got one.
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