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The Merc wrote:
Another emotional response. See these aren't acceptable in the law. Regardless of crime and unarmed man is dead. We no longer have an alleged criminal and a victim. We have two victims.👿Belial wrote:
Wait you forgot to mention he was tearing another mans face apart and he attacked the man first. It wasnt just a 5 min attack it went on for 18 min! Lucky for the man being attack to be alive. Yes the man attacking did not follow the orders being made§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
Actually no. That's not what procedure says. He was unarmed. Case closed he shouldn't be dead.An unarmed man murdering someone that did not listen to verbal commands and continued attacking after being shot once. As I said attempted murder=deadly force.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Walk a day in the shoes of a police officer and you wouldn't be so ignorant to realityHe wasn't actually eating his face. Just biting it. 75% removal.
And in the absence of further information, in this case I think the poor guy should not have been shot.
What? "Uhhh.. We uh, couldn't tase the perp, because the electrocution could have transferred to the victim through like, his nakedness. So we shot him a lot."
Was the guy armed? (thats my big question.) Why couldn't the police subdue the guy? They don't know how to put a knee in his back and use handcuffs anymore?
Super-strength, my ass. Maybe pain won't stop them, but bone and muscles is bone and muscles.
"Once it took 15 police officers to subdue a Bath Salts user.."
No, but that's how many you used.
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The Merc wrote:
allegedly. Nothing is proven until its before a court of law. And of course now that part isn't going to happen. A life was thrown away due to an emotional response and you're justifying it based on an emotional response.👿Belial wrote:
Wait you forgot to mention he was tearing another mans face apart and he attacked the man first§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
Actually no. That's not what procedure says. He was unarmed. Case closed he shouldn't be dead.An unarmed man murdering someone that did not listen to verbal commands and continued attacking after being shot once. As I said attempted murder=deadly force.
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Facts? Ok an naked unarmed man attacked a hobo. Started undressing him and then proceeded to eat his face off. Peeling skin off and everything. Officer got flagged down by a helpful civilian and was told that a someone was being murder. Officer arrived saw what he saw order the man to get off he didn't listen just still ate his face, a shot was fired..order to get off again nope didn't listen.. Dead attempted murder? I think so
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No, I'm not. The man was in the act of murdering him. Deadly force is authorized. The victim could have died in a split second if the man continued to attack him. What all these posts are alluding to is the continuum of force which typically has levels that go from verbal commands, non-lethal methods to deadly force. While it is commonly escalated by each level there are times when parts are rightfully skipped completely. This was one of those times.
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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
Allegedly. We will never know for sure as this did not make it to trial. So you feel the police officers are qualified to be the judges? Let's do away with the whole court system and let the police decide guilt?He was murdering someone case closed he should be dead. See I can do that too.
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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
My contention is procedures should be followed to the letter 100% of the time. This is why we have procedures. But they weren't followed. Instead an innocent man was shot. (innocent until proven guilty in court)No, I'm not. The man was in the act of murdering him. Deadly force is authorized. The victim could have died in a split second if the man continued to attack him. What all these posts are alluding to is the continuum of force which typically has levels that go from verbal commands, non-lethal methods to deadly force. While it is commonly escalated by each level there are times when parts are rightfully skipped completely. This was one of those times.
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👿Belial wrote:
Yes I am comfortable with a police officer being judge jury executioner if they come upon someone murdering another.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
Allegedly. We will never know for sure as this did not make it to trial. So you feel the police officers are qualified to be the judges? Let's do away with the whole court system and let the police decide guilt?He was murdering someone case closed he should be dead. See I can do that too.
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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
Judge dread?👿Belial wrote:
Yes I am comfortable with a police officer being judge jury executioner if they come upon someone murdering another.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
Allegedly. We will never know for sure as this did not make it to trial. So you feel the police officers are qualified to be the judges? Let's do away with the whole court system and let the police decide guilt?He was murdering someone case closed he should be dead. See I can do that too.
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👿Belial wrote:
But they were followed, the continuum of force is what every officer follows. As I mentioned at times they are rightfully allowed to skip level(s) in the continuum in circumstances. This circumstance warranted it.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
My contention is procedures should be followed to the letter 100% of the time. This is why we have procedures. But they weren't followed. Instead an innocent man was shot. (innocent until proven guilty in court).
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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
They shouldn't be ever allowed to skip any levels. Because of skipping levels an innocent man is dead👿Belial wrote:
But they were followed, the continuum of force is what every officer follows. As I mentioned at times they are rightfully allowed to skip level(s) in the continuum in circumstances. This circumstance warranted it.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
My contention is procedures should be followed to the letter 100% of the time. This is why we have procedures. But they weren't followed. Instead an innocent man was shot. (innocent until proven guilty in court).
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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
You shouldn't be. Basically you want the government to have full right to deal in matters as they see fit regardless of law👿Belial wrote:
Yes I am comfortable with a police officer being judge jury executioner if they come upon someone murdering another.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
Allegedly. We will never know for sure as this did not make it to trial. So you feel the police officers are qualified to be the judges? Let's do away with the whole court system and let the police decide guilt?He was murdering someone case closed he should be dead. See I can do that too.
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Had this been in the uk he would have been hit on the head with a baton or at worse tazerd, we would then have had an explanation to the story, now there is 1dead suspect, 1nearly dead tramp and a copper who has killed an unarmed man.
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And show me where in the continuum of force it says it's acceptable to murder an unarmed suspect.
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243-165-789 wrote:
Exactly.Had this been in the uk he would have been hit on the head with a baton or at worse tazerd, we would then have had an explanation to the story, now there is 1dead suspect, 1nearly dead tramp and a copper who has killed an unarmed man.
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We aren't qualified to pass a judgement of guilt and r are the police officers. Only a judge and jury is qualified to pass judgement. Therefore the poor guy shot was innocent
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👿Belial wrote:
Hahaha innocent? How is he innocent? Lol this should be interesting. Let me guess. He is innocent until a jury says he isn't? Lol he was killing someone. He deserved what he got. That officer did what was right.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
They shouldn't be ever allowed to skip any levels. Because of skipping levels an innocent man is dead👿Belial wrote:
But they were followed, the continuum of force is t times they are rightfully allowed to skip level(s) in the continuum in circumstances. This circumstance warranted it.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
My contention is procedures should be followed to the letter 100% of the time. This is why we have procedures. But they weren't followed. Instead an innocent man was shot. (innocent until proven guilty in court).
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imindazone wrote:
How do you know I haven't?Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Walk a day in the shoes of a police officer and you wouldn't be so ignorant to realityHe wasn't actually eating his face. Just biting it. 75% removal.
And in the absence of further information, in this case I think the poor guy should not have been shot.
What? "Uhhh.. We uh, couldn't tase the perp, because the electrocution could have transferred to the victim through like, his nakedness. So we shot him a lot."
Was the guy armed? (thats my big question.) Why couldn't the police subdue the guy? They don't know how to put a knee in his back and use handcuffs anymore?
Super-strength, my ass. Maybe pain won't stop them, but bone and muscles is bone and muscles.
"Once it took 15 police officers to subdue a Bath Salts user.."
No, but that's how many you used.
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243-165-789 wrote:
I was waiting for someone from the UK to step in with some manly words. The UK is not afraid of getting it's hands dirty. I like that.Had this been in the uk he would have been hit on the head with a baton or at worse tazerd, we would then have had an explanation to the story, now there is 1dead suspect, 1nearly dead tramp and a copper who has killed an unarmed man.
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The officer made a judgement, and I believe he will be exonerated of any wrong doing.
But if you can't see how any other action might have been more appropriate, I don't think you are being honest with yourself.
It took 6 shots to stop him. That is a delay. Any other tactic would have distracted the attacker from the victim faster. He should have been clubbed in the head.
Might that kill him, too? Yes. But probably not.
I have been beaten to the ground with a rifle butt. I'm still here. Hi! 👋 (thank you, boot camp!)
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I really think there should've been more cops there at the time and the fact that the cops shot him is drastic and the insider should've been dealt with a kick to the groin or even tranquillisers should've been used I think shooting the guy is a bit over the top
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ZOMBIESLAYER wrote:
And he's a zombie slayer!I really think there should've been more cops there at the time and the fact that the cops shot him is drastic and the insider should've been dealt with a kick to the groin or even tranquillisers should've been used I think shooting the guy is a bit over the top
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Walk a day in the shoes of a police officer and you wouldn't be so ignorant to realityAnd in the absence of further information, in this case I think the poor guy should not have been shot.
What? "Uhhh.. We uh, couldn't tase the perp, because the electrocution could have transferred to the victim through like, his nakedness. So we shot him a lot."
Was the guy armed? (thats my big question.) Why couldn't the police subdue the guy? They don't know how to put a knee in his back and use handcuffs anymore?
Super-strength, my ass. Maybe pain won't stop them, but bone and muscles is bone and muscles.
"Once it took 15 police officers to subdue a Bath Salts user.."
No, but that's how many you used.
How do you know I haven't?
With your comments, it's obvious you haven't. -
imindazone wrote: With your comments, it's obvious you haven't.
Huh. I thought I did. Maybe it was you, and I'm confused. I really thought I did.
Oh well. You obviously have a better grasp on what I've done in my life, based on your quick perusal of my comments, than I ever could.
Don't take this personally, but I think you are incorrectly lumping me in with the generic anti-police hippy crowd.
I think you are offended that I would question a response that you emphatize with.
You may be hurt because I am questioning your logic and morals.
Either way... It would have been more effective to open his trunk, remove the animal pole, rope the guy around his neck, and yank him backwards off the victim.
Do not delay. Do not issue warnings. Commence to stomping his ass into the sidewalk.
Then people in here would be complaining about police brutality, and I'd be on the side of the cop.
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Couldn't the cop have just tackle the attacker?
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frostbite135 wrote:
Well, it was an enclosed concrete sidewalk, with concrete barrier walls on both sides. So, no. I don't think that would be a good option.Couldn't the cop have just tackle the attacker?
This adds to the confusion I think. The police officer had a difficult tactical situation to deal with, most certainly.
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If I shoot a guy in the shoulder, and his response is to growl at me and continue to eat the face off another, living human being, my next thought isn't gonna be, "ima go up to this guy and punch him in the face!" it's gonna be, "Jesus fucking Christ omg!" blamblamblamblamblamblam!
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I'm sure there are many parts of this story that haven't been made public. The likelihood the police officer just whipped out his gun and started shooting is highly unlikely.
All I'm saying is don't be too quick to immediately assume the police officer didn't consider, or try, other options first.
A police officer's job is very difficult and split second decisions are often necessary. Most people don't quite understand the situations the officers end up dealing with. They only get to base their opinions on what the media has decided to tell them. Quite often I am amazed at how far off base the media reports are compared to the actual events that happened.
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imindazone wrote:
And if he did exactly as described by witnesses, would you change your mind?I'm sure there are many parts of this story that haven't been made public. The likelihood the police officer just whipped out his gun and started shooting is highly unlikely.
All I'm saying is don't be too quick to immediately assume the police officer didn't consider, or try, other options first.
A police officer's job is very difficult and split second decisions are often necessary. Most people don't quite understand the situations the officers end up dealing with. They only get to base their opinions on what the media has decided to tell them. Quite often I am amazed at how far off base the media reports are compared to the actual events that happened.
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If it was exactly as media reported, obviously I would look at it differently. I just get tired of people always assuming the worst of police officers.
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