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Z👿 wrote:
This x 1000 as well. I'm Christian, but I don't get why Christians are so anti-atheist to the point of hate and destruction of the other.Amish Hitman wrote:
This x 1000. As an athiest i dont understand why some people are so anti-theist as opposed to simplu a-theist.I don't believe in god but do believe in the power of positive thought and support. I don't care what you call it. If believing in something in a time of need gives you the strength to fight on then please by all means go for it.
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frostbite135 wrote:
Most christian people i talk with have a us against them mentality with anything non-christian atheist or otherwise, then again I am in kentucky...Z👿 wrote:
This x 1000 as well. I'm Christian, but I don't get why Christians are so anti-atheist to the point of hate and destruction of the other.Amish Hitman wrote:
This x 1000. As an athiest i dont understand why some people are so anti-theist as opposed to simplu a-theist.I don't believe in god but do believe in the power of positive thought and support. I don't care what you call it. If believing in something in a time of need gives you the strength to fight on then please by all means go for it.
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frostbite135 wrote:
Anyone who hates another is not a Christian, they are a murderer. (mathew chapter 5 I think). Hate is almost definitely the hardest thing to control as a Christian.Z👿 wrote:
This x 1000 as well. I'm Christian, but I don't get why Christians are so anti-atheist to the point of hate and destruction of the other.Amish Hitman wrote:
This x 1000. As an athiest i dont understand why some people are so anti-theist as opposed to simplu a-theist.I don't believe in god but do believe in the power of positive thought and support. I don't care what you call it. If believing in something in a time of need gives you the strength to fight on then please by all means go for it.
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❌❌ZebulonPike❌❌ wrote:
Sorry after working a 12 hour shift, and it being midnight when I posted punctuation was the last thing on my mind. I will make sure in future to post according to your wishes.Thepyroarcher wrote:
There is something called punctuation. We English speakers use it for a reason.snipped
Also, God did make the earth in seven days. However, we are not sure how long those seven days lasted. And the likelihood that everything, let alone one thing, would have drastically changed is absurd. Why would God make something just to watch it change? That's pointless.
And to answer your last question, why would God create something to watch it kill, rape, neglect, lie and sin? See you Christians think things only happen based on your logic, God has far superior logic, none of you can match it.
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I find it hard to speak with Christians with a straight face, but let me tell you one of the stories so you can understand why: my friend after years of trying finally convinced me to give her church a try, telling me they have a rock band and they do lots of charity and it's all very fun, so I though "ok, what's the worst that can happen?" (see what I did there? ;) ) on arrival I see people turning up in BMW's and cars of the same standard 'its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter heaven' sprung to mind. Anyways I'm running out of space so let's skip. I get there and the preacher is congratulating everyone on their hard charity work, speaking of the lives they have changed and how happy Christ will be. Next he says he has a video to show the ones that couldn't attend, so he turns that on, I straight away recorgnise the area, it's millionaires row...their charity work was to go and do garden work for the millionaires.......I got up and left.
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The cake is a lie
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Strength in numbers.Pray for whatever you want,it's suggested that we don't pray selfish prayers.But, to the original post, I must ask this question in honest sincerity:
Why do people need multiple individuals to pray for one person? Do the most popular prayers float to the top of God's to-do list, or what?
Why is it that more people praying for a thing is better than just one person?
In the end, does God answer prayers for things that he wasn't going to do anyway? I was taught that prayers should ask for things that God wants, otherwise it will be ignored.
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Scarlet Wolf wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it.Superyan wrote:
I'm sure God has something planned for you! You have to trust he does and trust that he knows what he's doing, and a whole hallway of doors will open up.frostbite135 wrote:
I highly doubt this. My life has fallen apart since all of this and shows no signs of reconstruction anytime soon.Superyan wrote:
God does some weird things. Who knows? Something good might come out of it.I had a lot people pray for god to save my leg, 3 separate church groups infact.
Well, God did a fantastic job there didn't he? *rolls eyes*
Sigh, I'm so bitter lately.
For now I'll continue my personal hatred against god. -
Thepyroarcher wrote:
Just because it can do that doesn't mean it should. That's why God created the 10 commandments. Satan is responsible for the sins (ie rape, murder, etc.). Oh, and I made the punctuation comment mostly because it was just difficult to understand your point. That's it.❌❌ZebulonPike❌❌ wrote:
Sorry after working a 12 hour shift, and it being midnight when I posted punctuation was the last thing on my mind. I will make sure in future to post according to your wishes.Thepyroarcher wrote:
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And to answer your last question, why would God create something to watch it kill, rape, neglect, lie and sin? See you Christians think things only happen based on your logic, God has far superior logic, none of you can match it.
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❌❌ZebulonPike❌❌ wrote:
Why would god even make sins possible in the first place? He could have just made satan go poof since hes omnipotent, doesent make sense to me.Thepyroarcher wrote:
Just because it can do that doesn't mean it should. That's why God created the 10 commandments. Satan is responsible for the sins (ie rape, murder, etc.). Oh, and I made the punctuation comment mostly because it was just difficult to understand your point. That's it.❌❌ZebulonPike❌❌ wrote:
Sorry after working a 12 hour shift, and it being midnight when I posted punctuation was the last thing on my mind. I will make sure in future to post according to your wishes.Thepyroarcher wrote:
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And to answer your last question, why would God create something snip
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@Crazy Viking - to give people free will rather than making a bunch of robots.
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I think religion is a personal Choice, based on ur family, friends, things that happen to u...religion provides comfort, to know ur not alone, and I believe in heaven, I was raised that way. It also in my life provides comfort at my job, and in my personal life, ex wife, and my two kids and me being a young father at that...it's comfort and how I was raised and it makes sense to me. Sorry about punctuation, never been good with that but I try my best :/
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Religion for me, helps get me out of the bull shit and trash my ex wife puts into my life, some say it's a crutch, I say it's a way to make sense of the confusion in my life.
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Mystery wrote:
But the problem is that we don't have free will.@Crazy Viking - to give people free will rather than making a bunch of robots.
Judas, the betrayer of Jesus, is a good example of the lack of free will and how harsh god is.It was predicted, in prophecies, that someone would betray Jesus so that he could die for our sins. This prophecy was wrote thousands of years before.
Judas had no free will, he was forced to betray Jesus. He had no choice as his future was already laid out thousands of years before he was even born.
To make matters worst, Judas was drove to suicide due to regret and rejection for betraying Christ. The amount if suffering he endured just to follow gods plan is unacceptable. But yeah, ok, he's in heaven now right?
No. Mark wrote that he will wish that he will have never been born. He's in hell right now, suffering for technically saving all our lives from hell. -
Then of course, Jesus lived us so much that he doubted sacrificing himself for us in the garden of Gethsemane. He asked for a way out.
Our all loving god didn't want to die so that we could live forever with him in heaven. The divine one, terrified like a human letting a hint of selfishness plague his mind. -
No one forced Judas to betray Jesus. That's what I was trying to say about predetermination. Nothing is predetermined. God already knows what people will do, because he sees the entire "timeline" for everything. Seeing it ahead of time though, is different from forcing something to happen.
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Mystery wrote:
That means that he was born to betray Jesus. It was his destiny to betray him. He couldn't change his mind because it was planned.No one forced Judas to betray Jesus. That's what I was trying to say about predetermination. Nothing is predetermined. God already knows what people will do, because he sees the entire "timeline" for everything. Seeing it ahead of time though, is different from forcing something to happen.
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Mystery wrote:
So if he knows everything then he knows that what will happen of he causes someone to not meet someone else and effectively "pull strings".No one forced Judas to betray Jesus. That's what I was trying to say about predetermination. Nothing is predetermined. God already knows what people will do, because he sees the entire "timeline" for everything. Seeing it ahead of time though, is different from forcing something to happen.
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🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
You aren't understanding what I'm saying. I had a hard time grasping it initially too. I don't know how to explain it any better. Knowing something will happen doesn't mean that you caused it.Mystery wrote:
That means that he was born to betray Jesus. It was his destiny to betray him. He couldn't change his mind because it was planned.No one forced Judas to betray Jesus. That's what I was trying to say about predetermination. Nothing is predetermined. God already knows what people will do, because he sees the entire "timeline" for everything. Seeing it ahead of time though, is different from forcing something to happen.
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🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
He was after all 100% man, 100% God. He could be tempted (just like when Satan tempted him in the desert), but being tempted is not a sin at all. He overcame the temptation because he knew it was the only way.Then of course, Jesus lived us so much that he doubted sacrificing himself for us in the garden of Gethsemane. He asked for a way out.
Our all loving god didn't want to die so that we could live forever with him in heaven. The divine one, terrified like a human letting a hint of selfishness plague his mind. -
🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
He didn't want to change his greed, really judas is a lesson. The story represents more then just Jesus dying for our sins and judas's betrayal, it has a story about greed, how it turns u against your friends, judas didn't know that, "his personal" choices lead him there. God just saw when "his" choices would lead. God knows the endMystery wrote:
That means that he was born to betray Jesus. It was his destiny to betray him. He couldn't change his mind because it was planned.No one forced Judas to betray Jesus. That's what I was trying to say about predetermination. Nothing is predetermined. God already knows what people will do, because he sees the entire "timeline" for everything. Seeing it ahead of time though, is different from forcing something to happen.
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🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
He asked God if he could not be crucified, of I he could die another, preferably less painful, way. If you were in that position, where you knew you were about to go through so much suffering and pain, wouldn't you also ask if there was an alternative?Then of course, Jesus lived us so much that he doubted sacrificing himself for us in the garden of Gethsemane. He asked for a way out.
Our all loving god didn't want to die so that we could live forever with him in heaven. The divine one, terrified like a human letting a hint of selfishness plague his mind. -
Morgan Freeman wrote:
No. I'd just trust my father and die for 3 days.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
He asked God if he could not be crucified, of I he could die another, preferably less painful, way. If you were in that position, where you knew you were about to go through so much suffering and pain, wouldn't you also ask if there was an alternative?Then of course, Jesus lived us so much that he doubted sacrificing himself for us in the garden of Gethsemane. He asked for a way out.
Our all loving god didn't want to die so that we could live forever with him in heaven. The divine one, terrified like a human letting a hint of selfishness plague his mind. -
🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
So you would rather just take the nails pounded through the tendons in your wrists and hanging your full weight by them, and when that pain is too much, shifting your whole body weight to a single nail driven through your ankles. You would have the crown of thorns pushed onto your head, busting your temples and sending blood spewing out for you skull, and have vinegar forced down your throat than ask for a less painful death?Morgan Freeman wrote:
No. I'd just trust my father and die for 3 days.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
He asked God if he could not be crucified, of I he could die another, preferably less painful, way. If you were in that position, where you knew you were about to go through so much suffering and pain, wouldn't you also ask if there was an alternative?✂✂✂
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Carpenter wrote:
Yep. I'd trust my father and just walk in with a haters gonna hate attitude. Then, while being nailed, I'd probably cry but continue thinking of all the people I'm saving, and the fact that after three days of pain, I'll have eternal life with god. Problem solved.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
So you would rather just take the nails pouoMorgan Freeman wrote:
No. I'd just trust my father and die for 3 days.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
He asked God if he could not be crucified, of I he could die another, preferably less painful, way. If you were in that position, where you knew you were about to go through so much suffering and pain, wouldn't you also ask if there was an alternative?✂✂✂
I'd battle through it.
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This kinda makes it sound like you are saying you are stronger than Jesus.
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Carpenter wrote:
Maybe I am.This kinda makes it sound like you are saying you are stronger than Jesus.
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YOU wrote:
Actually, that's not really what I meant. I meant it sounds like you don't know what true pain feels like.This kinda makes it sound like you are saying you are stronger than Jesus.
And Shadow, it's only same I here because Belial isn't here 😜
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Btw, I posted that before I saw your response to my original post. And I can assure you you aren't stronger than the average grown male.
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Carpenter wrote:
Had a decent share of pain in my life. So I do know what real pain is like.YOU wrote:
Actually, that's not really what I meant. I meant it sounds like you don't know what true pain feels like.This kinda makes it sound like you are saying you are stronger than Jesus.
And Shadow, it's only same I here because Belial isn't here 😜
You just look to the future because you know it's not going to permanent. You just push onwards.
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