Assisted Suicide/Voluntary Euthanasia
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If a terminally ill person decides that they wish to end their life, is it acceptable for others to assist them? This would normally take the form of a doctor administering a lethal injection, which would end their life painlessly. A clear distinction must be made with involuntary euthanasia, by which someone is ‘put down’ against their wishes, and which is simply murder by another name.
Does a person have the right to die when they choose? Please discuss.
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Actually, you know what?
This could be just the debate that Belial and I were looking for. Disregard my former post!
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Lol.
Amish Hitman wrote:
...4 seconds before my comment.If you don't have anything constructive to add then don't reply. If we can talk about abortion, homosexuals and religion this this shouldn't be an issue.
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There are many curcuma trance where this should be done. If a dog cat or horse is dying and is in extreme pain we put them down mercifully. But we don't treat humans with the same dignity
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♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠ wrote:
It's fair I'll delete mine👍Lol.
Amish Hitman wrote:
...4 seconds before my comment.If you don't have anything constructive to add then don't reply. If we can talk about abortion, homosexuals and religion this this shouldn't be an issue.
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If you are in such extreme pain that you find it nessisary to have your life ended then I think that that kind of thing should be ok
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My best friend and I have this little deal going. If either of us are reduced to vegetable state, be it in a car accident or through an illness, the other will end our life in the fastest, most humane way possible under the circumstances.
We should put it into our wills, though, or one of us will be up for murder.If this doesn't make clear my thoughts on the idea of euthanasia, then I'll just shut up now.
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What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Dammit! B, you and I are meant to disagree! It makes for a more lively debate! 🙍There are many curcuma trance where this should be done. If a dog cat or horse is dying and is in extreme pain we put them down mercifully. But we don't treat humans with the same dignity
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Wow. Ha ha :)
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Do you feel it should taken out of the doctors hands and performed at the patients discretion?What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
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Amish Hitman wrote:
No! It should be done legally, by a doctor. Except for my friend and I. We are the exceptions haha.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Do you feel it should taken out of the doctors hands and performed at the patients discretion?What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
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♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠ wrote:
Why the end results will be the same?Amish Hitman wrote:
No! It should be done legally, by a doctor. Except for my friend and I. We are the exceptions haha.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Do you feel it should taken out of the doctors hands and performed at the patients discretion?What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
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If the patient wants it, then yes, i dont have have a problem with it.
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If you are in such an extreme amount of pain, then yes, suicide should be an option. I would rather die than be extremely hurt every day for the rest of my life.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
Because a doc would be less likely to make a mistake and cause unnecessary pain, he's a liscenced professional who's responsible for the patient. Such things should be left to pros♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠ wrote:
Why the end results will be the same?Amish Hitman wrote:
No! It should be done legally, by a doctor. Except for my friend and I. We are the exceptions haha.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Do you feel it should taken out of the doctors hands and performed at the patients discretion?What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
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Amish Hitman wrote:
In a hospital, it is pretty much guaranteed to be successful, and in a hospital, the patient is easy to move to the morgue.♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠ wrote:
Why the end results will be the same?Amish Hitman wrote:
No! It should be done legally, by a doctor. Except for my friend and I. We are the exceptions haha.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Do you feel it should taken out of the doctors hands and performed at the patients discretion?What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
For example, it's hard to clean someone off a train. I should know. I know someone who used to do it.
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These are not my words but a person I once had this debate with.
It is vital that a doctor’s role not be confused. The guiding principle of medical ethics is to do no harm: a physician must not be involved in deliberately harming their patient. Without this principle, the medical profession would lose a great deal of trust; and admitting that killing is an acceptable part of a doctor’s role would likely increase the danger of involuntary euthanasia, not reduce it. Legalising assisted suicide also places an unreasonable burden on doctors. The daily decisions made in order to preserve life can be difficult enough; to require them to also carry the immense moral responsibility of deciding who can and cannot die, and the further responsibility of actually killing patients, is unacceptable. This is why the vast majority of medical professionals oppose the legalisation of assisted suicide: ending the life of a patient goes against all they stand for.
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Actually the main reason doctors oppose it is money. A dead patient isn't racking up the medical bill that a live hospitalized patient is.
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The survey from the American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) found that only 22 percent of cancer doctors support assisted suicide in terminally-ill patients compared to 45 percent in a similar study three years ago. Support for euthanasia was just 6.5 percent down from 22 percent in the previous report. ASCO surveyed 3,200 oncologists for the report. This was from 95-98
ASCO's survey also revealed that 56 percent of doctors have trouble obtaining nurses and care-givers for the terminally ill. Doctors said lack of insurance coverage for unskilled home care was the biggest obstacle in obtaining palliative care.Wouldn't that point more to insurance
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Pain management has improved dramatically in the last 20 years ( drugs, davinci surgery) so patients are more comfortable toward the end. Hospice offers excellent care in home and at hospice houses. All these may explain the shift away from assisted suicide
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Those who are in the late stages of a terminal disease have a horrific future ahead of them: the gradual decline of their body, the failure of their organs and the need for artificial support. In some cases, the illness will slowly destroy their minds, the essence of themselves; even if this is not the case, the huge amounts of medication required to ‘control’ their pain will often leave them in a delirious and incapable state. Faced with this, it is surely more humane that those people be allowed to choose the manner of their own end, and die with dignity.
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Think I'm gonna have another beer and hug my wife and be happy when (if) I wake up tomorrow
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
This. How sad society isActually the main reason doctors oppose it is money. A dead patient isn't racking up the medical bill that a live hospitalized patient is.
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As someone going into the medical field I strongly disagree with you bel and james. Are you basing that on actual doctors or just cynicism?
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*jeff
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Things to consider: Whats an acceptable age for euthanasia? 50? 40? 30 ?18? 10? All ages have terminal diseases... Do you know how much stress it would put on your md to end the life of a 10 year old, or anyone?
Also, how would one differentiate between someone who legimately wants to end their life an someone who is a. Suffering from depression or b. feels ending their life would ease the burden on others. Last thing, what about life insurance? Do families get life insurance for those who were euthanized? -
In all cases doctors can't actively kill a patient. This even applies to organ and tissue donors. What happens I'd kind of interesting. They come to a hospital, living or declared dead and are put on life support to keep their organs functioning and alive. If and when they are declared brain dead, and the surgeons are ready to harvest, all they can do is turn off the life support machines. Sometimes it takes hours for the donors body to die. They have ways to accelerate the process, but they can't kill the patient.
Just another perspective to consider...
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Zempz wrote:
Point blank we do it for our animals but don't have enough love to do it for our fellow manThings to consider: Whats an acceptable age for euthanasia? 50? 40? 30 ?18? 10? All ages have terminal diseases... Do you know how much stress it would put on your md to end the life of a 10 year old, or anyone?
Also, how would one differentiate between someone who legimately wants to end their life an someone who is a. Suffering from depression or b. feels ending their life would ease the burden on others. Last thing, what about life insurance? Do families get life insurance for those who were euthanized? -
We also put down animals that we can't find homes for, should this also apply to humans? Unfortunately you can't compare treatment of animals to that of humans.
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