Assisted Suicide/Voluntary Euthanasia
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Amish Hitman wrote:
You me we would be incontroll of our own lives?? What a novel idea!!Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Do you feel it should taken out of the doctors hands and performed at the patients discretion?What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
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El Chubaneebre wrote:
So we should let humans suffer in extreme and constant pain? Why?We also put down animals that we can't find homes for, should this also apply to humans? Unfortunately you can't compare treatment of animals to that of humans.
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The reason assisted suicide will never get support is the same reason,MONEY!!!! If you cure cancer or shorten the suffering less pharmaceutical are used ie. les money made
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Zempz wrote:
I would guess that is the least of there worries but depending on the policy I have seen and read that people have received insurance. There is practicably a clause for everythingwhat about life insurance? Do families get life insurance for those who were euthanized?
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And also at Zempz To say that modern medicine can totally eradicate pain is a tragic over-simplification of suffering. While physical pain may be alleviated, the emotional pain of a slow and lingering death, of the loss of the ability to live a meaningful life, can be horrific. A doctor’s duty is to address his or her patient’s suffering, be it physical or emotional. As a result, doctors will in fact already help their patients to die – although it is not legal, assisted suicide does take place. It would be far better to recognize this, and bring the process into the open, where it can be regulated. True abuses of the doctor-patient relationship, and incidents of involuntary euthanasia, would then be far easier to limit.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
Actually they can't even eleviate physical painAnd also at Zempz To say that modern medicine can totally eradicate pain is a tragic over-simplification of suffering. While physical pain may be alleviated, the emotional pain of a slow and lingering death, of the loss of the ability to live a meaningful life, can be horrific. A doctor’s duty is to address his or her patient’s suffering, be it physical or emotional. As a result, doctors will in fact already help their patients to die – although it is not legal, assisted suicide does take place. It would be far better to recognize this, and bring the process into the open, where it can be regulated. True abuses of the doctor-patient relationship, and incidents of involuntary euthanasia, would then be far easier to limit.
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We should just bomb the local orphanages. They suffer enough already.
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Hospice, is as close to assisted suicide as we will get. All they do is give you morphine for your pain until they snow you and shut down your respatory system...killing you.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
Suicide is covered by most life insurance policies after a couple of years. So I would assume yes.Zempz wrote:
I would guess that is the least of there worries but depending on the policy I have seen and read that people have received insurance. There is practicably a clause for everythingwhat about life insurance? Do families get life insurance for those who were euthanized?
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Mr Lincoln wrote:
I remember every name of each Hospice nurse that came to take care of both my Grandmothers and dad. They were wonderful ladies. They all cried. I could never imagine that as a job.Hospice, is as close to assisted suicide as we will get. All they do is give you morphine for your pain until they snow you and shut down your respatory system...killing you.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
First i am sorry for your losses Didnt mean to offend They are great nurses. And do a wonderful job my grandfather and aunt used they. They are the amazing people. But as the pain from cancer causes more pain. They up the morphine dose to manage pain. Once the human body hits that morphine threshold it shuts down the respatory drive and they drift off as they sleepMr Lincoln wrote:
I remember every name of each Hospice nurse that came to take care of both my Grandmothers and dad. They were wonderful ladies. They all cried. I could never imagine that as a job.Hospice, is as close to assisted suicide as we will get. All they do is give you morphine for your pain until they snow you and shut down your respatory system...killing you.
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Oh I took no offense I was stating that they are wonderful people and they helped in a very hard time. I am pro euthanasia myself
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I am against suicide. But I don't think someone i dont know should be able to decide what's best for me..
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
My point was you can't use the treatment of animals as justification. If you do then it is an equally valid argument to kill homeless people. Back to euthanasia, pain thresholds vary from person to person, where would you set the limit that it is an option?El Chubaneebre wrote:
So we should let humans suffer in extreme and constant pain? Why?We also put down animals that we can't find homes for, should this also apply to humans? Unfortunately you can't compare treatment of animals to that of humans.
Death is very final not a desision you want to get wrong. -
The decision to live, die and receive medical attention will soon be a non issue. Isn't this the job of the "death" panels when NObamacare is fully implemented. It's such a great idea those death panels.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Please explain, B. because I'm pretty sure that I had a headache earlier that responded to aspirin. No more pain.Amish Hitman wrote:
Actually they can't even eleviate physical painAnd also at Zempz To say that modern medicine can totally eradicate pain is a tragic over-simplification of suffering. While physical pain may be alleviated, the emotional pain of a slow and lingering death, of the loss of the ability to live a meaningful life, can be horrific. A doctor’s duty is to address his or her patient’s suffering, be it physical or emotional. As a result, doctors will in fact already help their patients to die – although it is not legal, assisted suicide does take place.......
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A headache isn't extreme advanced cancer. Not even opium the strongest pain killer ever devised can stop advanced cancer pain
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🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
Modern medicine blocks the body's pain receptors. So you can't feel it. But it's still there technically.⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Please explain, B. because I'm pretty sure that I had a headache earlier that responded to aspirin. No more pain.Amish Hitman wrote:
Actually they can't even eleviate physical painAnd also at Zempz To say that modern medicine can totally eradicate pain is a tragic over-simplification of suffering. While physical pain may be alleviated, the emotional pain of a slow and lingering death, of the loss of the ability to live a meaningful life, can be horrific. A doctor’s duty is to address his or her patient’s suffering, be it physical or emotional. As a result, doctors will in fact already help their patients to die – although it is not legal, assisted suicide does take place.......
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Not true. My father died from prostate cancer that eventually spread to his marrow. He specifically told me that morphine eased his pain and that the pain was unbearable with out it.
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Wow that fact that aspirin helped your headache doesn't mean it will help mine. We are talking about people who are going to die period. There is no maybe or what if.
My father was terminal and died as well and guess what, no matter how much pain meds he recieved he was still in horrific pain. So what does that tell us? Nothing, but whos place is it to tell my father who withered from a 60 year old strong man to bones. Sorry sir but because we don't think you have the right to take your own life and we would like to prolong your suffering and because my dad died too I know medicine alleviates your pain. Oh horseshit.
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Mr Lincoln, pain is simply your body's response to injury. Obviously, pain medication blocks receptors. Thusly, eliminating or severely reducing pain. So to say that medicine cannot eliminate pain is completely false.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
What are you talking about?? I said nothing about not having the right to give up the ghost. I was addressing B's claim that pain medicine could not eliminate extreme pain. Calm down dude. Take couple of Soma and relax.Wow that fact that aspirin helped your headache doesn't mean it will help mine. We are talking about people who are going to die period. There is no maybe or what if.
My father was terminal and died as well and guess what, no matter how much pain meds he recieved he was still in horrific pain. So what does that tell us? Nothing, but whos place is it to tell my father who withered from a 60 year old strong man to bones. Sorry sir but because we don't think you have the right to take your own life and we would like to prolong your suffering and because my dad died too I know medicine alleviates your pain. Oh horseshit.
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Not joining. My own opinion. I'd fight. There are so many things that you can do, so many people you can impact, in the last few moments of your life. And I care about my friends. The real ones. I'm sure it would devastate them enough if I was near death, but shortening the time I have left with them is not worth all the money in the world. And like I said, I'd fight. I believe in miracles.
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🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
Pain meds don't "block" pain receptors. They inhibit them. Big difference. If there's really intense pain theu won't eliminate itAmish Hitman wrote:
What are you talking about?? I said nothing about not having the right to give up the ghost. I was addressing B's claim that pain medicine could not eliminate extreme pain. Calm down dude. Take couple of Soma and relax.Wow that fact that aspirin helped your headache doesn't mean it will help mine. We are talking about people who are going to die period. There is no maybe or what if.
prolong your suffering and because my dad died too I know medicine alleviates your pain. Oh horseshit.
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I don't know why we can't let people pass with dignity
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I have no comment. Suicide is horrible but pain is overall worse. That's all I'll say.
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
You're very young. Your opinion changes as you get olderNot joining. My own opinion. I'd fight. There are so many things that you can do, so many people you can impact, in the last few moments of your life. And I care about my friends. The real ones. I'm sure it would devastate them enough if I was near death, but shortening the time I have left with them is not worth all the money in the world. And like I said, I'd fight. I believe in miracles.
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Splitting hairs aren't you B. Blocking or inhibiting. For Pete's sake it is not a big difference. Ever had a compound fracture B? Let me tell you......pain medication blocks intense pain. Please take your doctors hat off now. Thanks. There may well be people whose bodies do not respond to it. But I can tell from personal experience that you are wrong.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Fact is, B that miracles do happen. Whether you believe in God or you don't. Miracles, phenomenons, freak occurrences.....whatever you want to call them always seem to snatch life out of the hands of certain death. Shadow, don't let age or others steal the hope that is in you!ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
You're very young. Your opinion changes as you get olderNot joining. My own opinion. I'd fight. There are so many things that you can do, so many people you can impact, in the last few moments of your life. And I care about my friends. The real ones. I'm sure it would devastate them enough if I was near death, but shortening the time I have left with them is not worth all the money in the world. And like I said, I'd fight. I believe in miracles.
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Pain seems to be the primary motivation for euthanasia here, how do you define the level of pain given different tolerances? How do you propose the desision is to end a life is made and by whom? In a litigious society how will the desision makers be protected? Euthanasia seems a reasonable solution at times but would be practically impossible to legislate for.
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