Assisted Suicide/Voluntary Euthanasia
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El Chubaneebre wrote:
No doubt it's not easily legislated.As far as legislation goes you are introducing loopholes. Does control of your own person include the right of suicide for any reason? Am I able to decide for another person that cannot communicate that it is time for them to go? Euthanasia is not just a matter if saying 'yep, I like it lets do it'. The procedure you are advocating is irreversible.
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Addi. Are you referring to the "beating the dead religious horse" comment? If so, that was in response to your "religious right has no right". Comment.
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You have to admit religion is a factor
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Of course it is. But it's not the only factor by a long shot! Any time there is a debate on abortion, homosexuality etc.....the very first shot from liberals is "religious right". I could see that point if all right wingers were pro-life and all left wingers were pro-choice. But they are not. There are more balls in play for all of these debates than "religious right".
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When I say in a debate, "the bible says" or "God says" then by all means throw the religious card on me. Until then it's just a weak, over stated accusation that we blindly follow our faith. This should not be the case with believers. Enough about that though.
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Nate out of what I've seen you ate avoiding the religious point and I commend you on that. I started this thread because it effected me personally. Mt pops wanted me to end his suffering but I couldn't for selfish reasons but I took a look at it and realized I was wrong and would never put anybody that situation ever again
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Amish Hitman wrote:
I know exactly what you went through. My father and I had the conversation. Luckily.....he never asked me to do it. Don't judge yourself too harshly. There are repercussions on either side of the choice. You would second guess it either way. You did the best that you could at the time. Hind sight is always 20/20. Keep your head up brother. 👍👍Nate out of what I've seen you ate avoiding the religious point and I commend you on that. I started this thread because it effected me personally. Mt pops wanted me to end his suffering but I couldn't for selfish reasons but I took a look at it and realized I was wrong and would never put anybody that situation ever again
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Cheers bud👍
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I think in certain circumstances if a person is deemed as sane by a professional and is in the right mind set to make a decision like that then yes if they're terminally in they should be allowed to make that decision. Nobody else should be able to make it for them though.
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🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
That wasn't me.I said meds block the receptors. Causing reduction in the perception of pain...I agree that it help make you comfortable. They block the pain, they don't eliminate it we are arguing semantics.Mr Lincoln, pain is simply your body's response to injury. Obviously, pain medication blocks receptors. Thusly, eliminating or severely reducing pain. So to say that medicine cannot eliminate pain is completely false.
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It's entirely possible that I confused myself somewhere in there. Trying to read posts, process the info and drive has proven to be a challenge. Sorry for the confusion.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
I don't agree with suicide due to my beliefs. But if you are pro euthanasia, why do you need to be sick in order to deside you want to die? What if I'm just bored, it's my decision! For aguements sakeYou have to admit religion is a factor
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Mr Lincoln wrote:
Now if someone is perfectly healthy and just bored they obviously don't need assistance, so this is irrelevant to the topicAmish Hitman wrote:
I don't agree with suicide due to my beliefs. But if you are pro euthanasia, why do you need to be sick in order to deside you want to die? What if I'm just bored, it's my decision! For aguements sakeYou have to admit religion is a factor
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The topic is terminally I'll patients that are in pain and have a zero percent chance of recovery. A far cry from being bored.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
No that's not true.Actually the main reason doctors oppose it is money. A dead patient isn't racking up the medical bill that a live hospitalized patient is.
I saw a man die of motor neurone disease, in the hospice and it was the most distressing thing I've ever seen in my life. I definitely think that physician assisted suicide should be legal in certain cases.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
Mp♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠ wrote:
Why the end results will be the same?Amish Hitman wrote:
No! It should be done legally, by a doctor. Except for my friend and I. We are the exceptions haha.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Do you feel it should taken out of the doctors hands and performed at the patients discretion?What with suicide bags being so popular, who needs assistance?
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El Chubaneebre wrote:
This is a very immature comment IMHO - some people in a democracy are in "power" to represent "'the people's" (our) interests. Anything else is a dictatorship with limited freedom of choice.Personal choice must also have boundaries. People are in power to decide on those boundaries and to prevent them being crossed.
Yes, we agree on rules and laws so that we can coexist and resolve issues between us without having to resort to using force - this is called civilisation.
The patient's choice is all that matters in this case - if you have a right to choose how you live your life, you have a right to choose how to end it. Religion does not need to intrude, unless the patient chooses to allow it.
Doctors should not be asked to assist in euthanasia. It should be another profession that does so.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
It's perfectly relevant. Assisted suicide is just that getting "assistance killing yourself" whether you are need or want it assistance is assistance?Mr Lincoln wrote:
Now if someone is perfectly healthy and just bored they obviously don't need assistance, so this is irrelevant to the topicAmish Hitman wrote:
I don't agree with suicide due to my beliefs. But if you are pro euthanasia, why do you need to be sick in order to deside you want to die? What if I'm just bored, it's my decision! For aguements sakeYou have to admit religion is a factor
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I think if someone wants to die they could do it themselves
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