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Children don't count. They don't fully understand and are automatically accepted into heaven, no matter what they're religion is teaching them
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Bruenor wrote:
Oh? But they have sinned?Children don't count. They don't fully understand and are automatically accepted into heaven, no matter what they're religion is teaching them
Children lie? Disrespect their parents with hissy fits when they don't get what they want.
The ten commandments are broken by children. -
Superyan wrote:
Many commandments were aimed at children.Bruenor wrote:
Oh? But they have sinned?Children don't count. They don't fully understand and are automatically accepted into heaven, no matter what they're religion is teaching them
Children lie? Disrespect their parents with hissy fits when they don't get what they want.
The ten commandments are broken by children. -
Superyan wrote:
A Christian could never follow the ten commandments perfectly, its a goal. A child has sin nature ingrained in him as does every human. Children don't fully understand what they're doing.Bruenor wrote:
Oh? But they have sinned?Children don't count. They don't fully understand and are automatically accepted into heaven, no matter what they're religion is teaching them
Children lie? Disrespect their parents with hissy fits when they don't get what they want.
The ten commandments are broken by children. -
⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Thats not true.Superyan wrote:
Many commandments were aimed at children.Bruenor wrote:
Oh? But they have sinned?Children don't count. They don't fully understand and are automatically accepted into heaven, no matter what they're religion is teaching them
Children lie? Disrespect their parents with hissy fits when they don't get what they want.
The ten commandments are broken by children. -
glman wrote:
A Christian could never follow the ten commandments perfectly, its a goal. A child has sin nature ingrained in him as does every human. Children don't fully understand what they're doing.
Isnt it just as cruel to set unreachable goals, and have the power to choose how long they have to get as close as possible?
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Most non-Catholic Christians no longer look to the 10 commandments of Moses as law. Jesus replaced the old laws with a new covenant:
1. Love god with your whole body, mind, and spirit.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
Remember the hassle they gave him about working on the Sabbath... OY VEY!!
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Jesus is the Christ, revealed from the Torah to the Gospels. Son of God, prince of peace king of kings, lord of lords maker of the heavens and earth having more than 30 thousand new testament manuscripts dating earliest as 80 A.D and John (p52) Second person of the being of God. Fully God Fully man.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
Jehovah, why have I forsaken myself?Jesus is the Christ, revealed from the Torah to the Gospels. Son of God, prince of peace king of kings, lord of lords maker of the heavens and earth having more than 30 thousand new testament manuscripts dating earliest as 80 A.D and John (p52) Second person of the being of God. Fully God Fully man.
I blame emperor Constantine. He meant well, but that trinity thing is a stretch, don't you think? Wouldn't Jesus have mentioned something so important?
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glman wrote:
Yes... But they haven't accepted Jesus. As they haven't made the choice off their own accord.Superyan wrote:
A Christian could never follow the ten commandments perfectly, its a goal. A child has sin nature ingrained in him as does every human. Children don't fully understand what they're doing.Bruenor wrote:
Oh? But they have sinned?Children don't count. They don't fully understand and are automatically accepted into heaven, no matter what they're religion is teaching them
Children lie? Disrespect their parents with hissy fits when they don't get what they want.
The ten commandments are broken by children. -
Nope constantine had nothing to do with the council of Nicaea nor the creed. U dont have to go to seminanary to know this
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Nope constantine had nothing to do with the council of Nicene₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
Jehovah, why have I forsaken myself?Jesus is the Christ, revealed from the Torah to the Gospels. Son of God, prince of peace king of kings, lord of lords maker of the heavens and earth having more than 30 thousand new testament manuscripts dating earliest as 80 A.D and John (p52) Second person of the being of God. Fully God Fully man.
I blame emperor Constantine. He meant well, but that trinity thing is a stretch, don't you think? Wouldn't Jesus have mentioned something so important?
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What about tribes that still live in the bush that know nothing of the story of Jesus? Are they going to hell? Or were they forgiven when Jesus died as well?
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
....according to your web sites.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Nope constantine had nothing to do with the council of Nicene₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
Jehovah, why have I forsaken myself?Jesus is the Christ, revealed from the Torah to the Gospels. Son of God, prince of peace king of kings, lord of lords maker of the heavens and earth having more than 30 thousand new testament manuscripts dating earliest as 80 A.D and John (p52) Second person of the being of God. Fully God Fully man.
I blame emperor Constantine. He meant well, but that trinity thing is a stretch, don't you think? Wouldn't Jesus have mentioned something so important?
Though some believe his own Bishop and confidant was on the trinity side of the debate, and for unity's sake threatened to kill all "popes" that would not sign on.
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Add: KOZY wrote:
They haven't accepted Jesus so they go to hell.What about tribes that still live in the bush that know nothing of the story of Jesus? Are they going to hell? Or were they forgiven when Jesus died as well?
And a question, what about all the people before Jesus came? Did they go to hell even though they tried their very best to fulfil gods impossible standards?
Another question, if god is all knowing. Why didn't he know those laws were impossible to keep? That the standards he set were impossible?
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Add: KOZY wrote:
This is the same situation that plagues parents trying to explain Santa Clause to their children. When asked how he gets in homes with no chimney, the answer is invented.What about tribes that still live in the bush that know nothing of the story of Jesus? Are they going to hell? Or were they forgiven when Jesus died as well?
In this case, when people make up rules for entering heaven and hell, they also have to make up long lists of exceptions for people with no chimneys.
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None-the-less, Augustine... The question remains. Wouldn't Jesus have himself mentioned at some point that he himself was Dog?
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
This isn't news man, Constantine had nothing to do with the council of Nicaea nor the creed. The trinity was defined through the scripture evidence and defining what they already believed to debate Arianism which attacked the deity of Christ. Having a pagan emperor become a Christian didn't help but nevertheless he had nothing to do with the "gospels" nor the "trinity".₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
...Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Nope constantine had nothing to do with the council of Nicene₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
Jehovah, why have I forsaken myself?Jesus is the
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Everyone bases the entirety of the trinity on the intro to John 1, but just open your mind a bit and ask yourself: Do the writings of John read anything at all like Matthew, Mark, and Luke? Or Paul's letters?
Why were so many other books thrown out, yet John's books were included?
They read like what they are: dreams.
It's insane to base so much of our understanding of God on a relatively modern book that is the first to mention the fact that God might exist in 3 forms, and one that does it so Nostradamus-like with vague poetry.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
So says your web sites. I do not care the Constantine was a convert. Only that he was emperor over a divided council.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
This isn't news man, Constantine had nothing to do with the council of Nicaea nor the creed. The trinity was defined through the scripture evidence and defining what they already believed to debate Arianism which attacked the deity of Christ. Having a pagan emperor become a Christian didn't help but nevertheless he had nothing to do with the "gospels" nor the "trinity".₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
...Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Nope constantine had nothing to do with the council of Nicene₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
Jehovah, why have I forsaken myself?Jesus is the
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Also ask yourself: Why is it at all important to believe that Jesus was himself God? Other individual spirit creatures exist in the ranks of Angels. Why can't we go with the most common-sense answer: Jesus is the son of God, like Hercules is the son of Zeus.
It's a silly detail, like St. Nicolas dropping bags of gold down chimneys. No need to build a mythology around it. It's just not real.
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Jesus made no mention of himself being God, gave no requirement in the belief that he was God, and in fact spoke and prayed to God, which makes no sense at all if he was God in another form.
Why would Satan tempt God by offering him all the kingdoms of Earth?
It's bananas, man!
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
http://vintage.aomin.org/EGO.htmlJesus made no mention of himself being God, gave no requirement in the belief that he was God, and in fact spoke and prayed to God, which makes no sense at all if he was God in another form.
Why would Satan tempt God by offering him all the kingdoms of Earth?
It's bananas, man!
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glman wrote:
Sorry to me that is just garbage. You are not god so you can not say where his forgiveness ends. A truly loving god would accept his childs lack of understanding and accept his apology. A vengeful, hateful god would do as you have said. So which of those is your god?Add: OLSEN wrote:
He gave you however long you live to say you're sorry. There is a point where forgiveness ends and there are no more chances.I think I'm just gonna chill with my beliefs ATM. If my time comes and I come before god and he tells me I have it all wrong, I will get down on my knees and say sorry. A true and loving god would forgive me.
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Add: OLSEN wrote:
If god truly loved us, he'd accept our apology and give us forgiveness outside the gates of heaven.glman wrote:
Sorry to me that is just garbage. You are not god so you can not say where his forgiveness ends. A truly loving god would accept his childs lack of understanding and accept his apology. A vengeful, hateful god would do as you have said. So which of those is your god?Add: OLSEN wrote:
He gave you however long you live to say you're sorry. There is a point where forgiveness ends and there are no more chances.I think I'm just gonna chill with my beliefs ATM. If my time comes and I come before god and he tells me I have it all wrong, I will get down on my knees and say sorry. A true and loving god would forgive me.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Have to agreeJesus made no mention of himself being God, gave no requirement in the belief that he was God, and in fact spoke and prayed to God, which makes no sense at all if he was God in another form.
Why would Satan tempt God by offering him all the kingdoms of Earth?
It's bananas, man!
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
proofthatdogexists.orgBrown🎵Note😲 wrote:
http://vintage.aomin.org/EGO.htmlJesus made no mention of himself being God, gave no requirement in the belief that he was God, and in fact spoke and prayed to God, which makes no sense at all if he was God in another form.
Why would Satan tempt God by offering him all the kingdoms of Earth?
It's bananas, man!
Why do you accept these insane stretches of reality? The opening comment is probably correct: The books were written late in the game. The idea was new, invented, wrong, and an evolution that Jesus made no mention of.
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The problem with these debates is that I inevitably bind myself with the rules of the opposing team... I try to beat them with their own rules.
"What kind of infinitely loving and merciful God would inflict eternal torment on his own children?"
...when what I should be saying is:
"You're talking to an invisible man in the sky, who seems to have focused his attention elsewhere for the last couple thousand years."
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
http://vintage.aomin.org/EGO.htmlThe problem with these debates is that I inevitably bind myself with the rules of the opposing team... I try to beat them with their own rules.
"What kind of infinitely loving and merciful God would inflict eternal torment on his own children?"
...when what I should be saying is:
"You're talking to an invisible man in the sky, who seems to have focused his attention elsewhere for the last couple thousand years."
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🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
Olsen, God is omniscient. That being the case, he knows all things from beginning to end. The only way he could send His son to earth to die for our sins was to create mankind. You see, God had a plan from the beginning that would result in Jesus being born (and eventaully killed) so that through His sacrifice, those who believe would spend eternity in heaven. Mankind represents carnality and by definition, is enmity against God. When The bible speaks of the sons and daughters of God, it is referring to spiritual sons and daughters and not those who were created. Salvation is a choice.
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