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Carpenter wrote:
Are you talking about people who will die if they don't get an abortion? That's a totally different scenarioTo go along with Shadow's selfishness point:
You and a man are walking along the street. The man suddenly gets shot in the heart. You call 911 and the ambulance arrives. The paramedics hop out, and put him on a gurney. Then one of the paramedics tells you that the man will have a 99% chance of living with a bad heart, but the man really wants to live a normal live again, so he needs your heart. You will not survive, but the man will live a normal life. Against your will, the paramedics cut you open, take you heart and throw you in a nearby dumpster.
It's the same as abortion.Now if you're aborting because you can't pay for the baby, that's YOUR FAULT.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
If that's your opinion, why should religious people have to pay taxes for something that is against their rules? So I don't care what a woman does with her body as long as I'm not paying for it....madam wrote:
How do we know there is a god. Should a non believer be forced to obey the rules of your religion? Should their entire life be ruined because of bronze age superstition?God says he knows the baby. Or you say the parasite.conception
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Carpenter wrote:
No it isn't. Who ever said that you'd die from giving birth? And the likeliness of that happening is slim to none. There are people who have died who give their perfectly healthy organs to help people like that man. They think of others even at their death.To go along with Shadow's selfishness point:
You and a man are walking along the street. The man suddenly gets shot in the heart. You call 911 and the ambulance arrives. The paramedics hop out, and put him on a gurney. Then one of the paramedics tells you that the man will have a 99% chance of living with a bad heart, but the man really wants to live a normal live again, so he needs your heart. You will not survive, but the man will live a normal life. Against your will, the paramedics cut you open, take you heart and throw you in a nearby dumpster.
It's the same as abortion. -
ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
If your parent had aborted you you wouldn't know if you would of been fine or not with it. You wouldn't be here. Let me ask this .. Your pregnant and you and your husband were just told by you having the baby your looking at a 95% chance of dying from having it? What would your husband choose??So Belial and all you others, does that mean that if your mom ha aborted you, then you would have been perfectly dine with it? If humans desperately cling to their own state of life, then let's put it in your perspective. Surely you have had fun in you life, as well as sorrow. I don't see you guys attempting suicide, so you obviously like the fun times, along with the bad. So if you could never experience joy, or sorrow, how would you like it?
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I'm against abortion 100%. Even though the population could due off a few billion like 1.5 billion, I think it is wrong. Life is precious and it isn't sentient but it will be eventually. If a mother thinks she has the right to take a would-eventually-to-be-intelligent creature than damn her for thinking that. The population can die off slowly like Russia's population. People can do what they want as long as it isn't murder, rape, etc. but if they want to make a living person or the process that creatures people than they better know what to do just in case.
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Superyan wrote:
Ok then. You've had an abortion.Right you've been raped.
Oh no! Your pregnant with your rapists baby. Imagine looking at that baby everyday seeing the rapists face. Oh the memories that baby will remind you of!
Now your going suffer painful as you give birth to a baby you were forced to have. Yay!
You are now paying for this rape babe. Splendid!
Put it up for adoption? Congrats! Now everyone is paying for your rape baby.
That's my view on this subject.
For the rest of your life you are hauted by the fact that that baby would have been yours, whenever you see anyone else's child.
And again I say, that sounds totally selfish.
I've got to go. Bye. -
🔫ØᎦᏌ✴ᏀĮЯŁ🌹 wrote:
This sums it all up.Here's my 2 cents
1. Taxpayers money would be a no.
2. Should not be used as a form of birth control. If your willing to take on the responsibility of having sex you take on all responsibilities including babies.
3. Until you've had a baby or have the potential to I don't think it's right to say you HAVE to have that baby. Given to many awful scenarios that could occur the woman should always have the right to choose. Example rape: many say have it and give it up so your asking the woman to emotionally deal with being raped and potentially never recover mentally from that but now expecting her to have the child and give it up and deal with that as well? Not fair to put or expect that kind of forced mental beat down on someone and that's only one example.So while I don't think it's right as a whole it's every situation that has to be thought about before making it a law..
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⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
I don't believe in god? So why should laws be passed based on your beliefs?LongShot15 wrote:
It's not your decision. It's God's. Who gave you the right to decide who lives or not?ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Would you do it? The baby isn't developed yet the baby lives on your decision.
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I noticed somebody say "should your entire life be ruined cause u have to raise a kid?" I have 2 little girls. 5 years and 3 months. My life is the opposite of ruined. Those little girls ARE my life. My wife was 19 when Izzy was born. It made life harder, but we pulled through it. She finished college and has her RN degree now. To blame failure on a child is just ignoring the real problem of lack of determination.
(off the soapbox now. And thanks B for a debate where people can see differant viewpoints!)
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
The mother shouldn't be the one punished for a rape. End of storySuperyan wrote:
Ok then. You've had an abortion.Right you've been raped.
Oh no! Your pregnant with your rapists baby. Imagine looking at that baby everyday seeing the rapists face. Oh the memories that baby will remind you of!
Now your going suffer painful as you give birth to a baby you were forced to have. Yay!
You are now paying for this rape babe. Splendid!
Put it up for adoption? Congrats! Now everyone is paying for your rape baby.
That's my view on this subject.
For the rest of your life you are hauted by the fact that that baby would have been yours, whenever you see anyone else's child.
And again I say, that sounds totally selfish.
I've got to go. Bye. -
⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I don't believe in abortion, why should I pay for it?⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
I don't believe in god? So why should laws be passed based on your beliefs?LongShot15 wrote:
It's not your decision. It's God's. Who gave you the right to decide who lives or not?ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Would you do it? The baby isn't developed yet the baby lives on your decision.
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Of course. Not only have you got get over rape. But take care of a child for the rest of your life. Fantastic.Superyan wrote:
Ok then. You've had an abortion.Right you've been raped.
Oh no! Your pregnant with your rapists baby. Imagine looking at that baby everyday seeing the rapists face. Oh the memories that baby will remind you of!
Now your going suffer painful as you give birth to a baby you were forced to have. Yay!
You are now paying for this rape babe. Splendid!
Put it up for adoption? Congrats! Now everyone is paying for your rape baby.
That's my view on this subject.
For the rest of your life you are hauted by the fact that that baby would have been yours, whenever you see anyone else's child.
And again I say, that sounds totally selfish.
I've got to go. Bye.
Stopping women from having an abortion because of your personal view is selfish. -
In Roe vs Wade because of roe abortions are legal. She had her baby before she won and is now for pro-life because she saw the miracle of life
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You keep bringing up that the child is not sentient. How do you know that? I do not remember when I was one does that mean I wasn't sentient?
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JRaff wrote:
Who cares? Just because she ruined her like doesn't mean all women shouldIn Roe vs Wade because of roe abortions are legal. She had her baby before she won and is now for pro-life because she saw the miracle of life
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Why is the modern norm that children ruin your life? It used to be that having a child was a blessing.JRaff wrote:
Who cares? Just because she ruined her like doesn't mean all women shouldIn Roe vs Wade because of roe abortions are legal. She had her baby before she won and is now for pro-life because she saw the miracle of life
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⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
Exactly. If the people don't pay for Churches, mosques, etc, why should they pay for abortion.⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I don't believe in abortion, why should I pay for it?⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
I don't believe in god? So why should laws be passed based on your beliefs?LongShot15 wrote:
It's not your decision. It's God's. Who gave you the right to decide who lives or not?ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Would you do it? The baby isn't developed yet the baby lives on your decision.
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⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
Duty to the well being and health of your nation⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I don't believe in abortion, why should I pay for it?⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
I don't believe in god? So why should laws be passed based on your beliefs?LongShot15 wrote:
It's not your decision. It's God's. Who gave you the right to decide who lives or not?ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Would you do it? The baby isn't developed yet the baby lives on your decision.
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Superyan wrote:
Adoption. They don't have to keep the baby.ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Of course. Not only have you got get over rape. But take care of a child for the rest of your life. Fantastic.Superyan wrote:
Ok then. You've had an abortion.Right you've been raped.
Oh no! Your pregnant with your rapists baby. Imagine looking at that baby everyday seeing the rapists face. Oh the memories that baby will remind you of!
Now your going suffer painful as you give birth to a baby you were forced to have. Yay!
You are now paying for this rape babe. Splendid!
For the rest of your life you are hauted by the fact that that baby would have been yours, whenever you see anyone else's child.
And again I say, that sounds totally selfish.
I've got to go. Bye.
Stopping women from having an abortion because of your personal view is selfish. -
ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Wow..Superyan wrote:
Ok then. You've had an abortion.Right you've been raped.
Oh no! Your pregnant with your rapists baby. Imagine looking at that baby everyday seeing the rapists face. Oh the memories that baby will remind you of!
Now your going suffer painful as you give birth to a baby you were forced to have. Yay!
You are now paying for this rape babe. Splendid!
Put it up for adoption? Congrats! Now everyone is paying for your rape baby.
That's my view on this subject.
For the rest of your life you are hauted by the fact that that baby would have been yours, whenever you see anyone else's child.
And again I say, that sounds totally selfish.
I've got to go. Bye. -
I gtg for now finish later bye!
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Those people that think public money shouldnt pay for abortion are often the biggest war mongers and supporters of capital punishment.
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
You are the aborted baby, I guess I should've clarified that. I'm pro-life.Carpenter wrote:
No it isn't. Who ever said that you'd die from giving birth? And the likeliness of that happening is slim to none. There are people who have died who give their perfectly healthy organs to help people like that man. They think of others even at their death.. The man suddenly gets shot in the heart. You call 911 and the ambulance arrives. The paramedics hop out, and put him on a gurney. Then one of the paramedics tells you that the man will have a 99% chance of living with a bad heart, but the man really wants to live a normal live again, so he needs your heart. You will not survive, but the man will live a normal life. Against your will, the paramedics cut you open, take you heart and throw you in a nearby dumpster.
It's the same as abortion. -
ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Damn you SA. Why'd you have to put that? You hit the nail on the head. I've gone through all of what you've described.Yeah I think the life of the child is equal to hers, at least. Gosh do you know how absolutely selfish that sounds. "I got myself into this mess, but since I want to continue the life as I know it, I'm going to call my unborn baby a parasite or mass of undeveloped tissue and kill it. That makes it alright, because instead of thinking of the baby and the wonderful life it could have, I only want to think about myself, and the life I'm going to continue having, not to mention all the pain and hassle of childbirth. I want to go back to my original life, will probably result in this happening again." If you have any other thought processes that would defend your beliefs, please, post them now, or forever hold your peace.
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I get it and it isn't the same thing. The baby isn't a life and the woman in your analogy is.
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Ojibwe wrote:
Where did you hear this?Those people that think public money shouldnt pay for abortion are often the biggest war mongers and supporters of capital punishment.
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I think for one rape speaks for itself, and the mother has the choice of what to do, there are documented cases of "rape" mothers loving the baby unconditionally...
Secondly, church and state are seperate in the us, so a person can choo choo choose their own fate...
Thirdly, tax dollars should be pumped into both (ab&adopt) because if it costs $400 bucks for either op or more for adoption and that increase the childs happiness since most would-be parents abort because of their own financial difficulties while surrogate mothers are in high demand...
Lastly, for most of the people here. Its on the anniversary of the abortion procedure that hurts the mum most, and also the predicted dob that holds the burden an that wont be forgotten quickly... Im not pro- or con- because im male -
⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I guess you haven't been watching the news recently, multiple abortion doctors have been charged with murder across the country for performing late term abortions.💣ㅆⅈʂʗℌⅈミƑ🔫 wrote:
You can't murder something that isn't sentientWhy not give the baby up for adoption once it's born, instead of murdering it.
I've saw you say " well if the woman's not ready to raise a child..."
How about not spreading her legs? How about using birth control or condoms?
I have mixed feelings on it.
Early abortions I feel are ok, mid-late term abortions are a no go for me. I feel if you are going to take the chance to have unprotected sex buck up and take responsibility for your actions. -
BorderFox~>java wrote:
If they have money issues they should just give it up for adoptionI think for one rape speaks for itself, and the mother has the choice of what to do, there are documented cases of "rape" mothers loving the baby unconditionally...
Secondly, church and state are seperate in the us, so a person can choo choo choose their own fate...
Thirdly, tax dollars should be pumped into both (ab&adopt) because if it costs $400 bucks for either op or more for adoption and that increase the childs happiness since most would-be parents abort because of their own financial difficulties while surrogate mothers are in high demand...
Lastly, for most of the people here. Its on the anniversary of the abortion procedure that hurts the mum most, and also the predicted dob that holds the burden an that wont be forgotten quickly... Im not pro- or con- because im male -
Morgan Freeman wrote:
So do I Morgan F....so do I.♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠ wrote:
To bad we can't stop the likely flood of Valentines Day threads. Man, I hate Valentines Day…⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
We agree on something else! 😳😺👍😹TheRamb Add: 86 wrote:
It's better than teenage dating threadsDon't do this here, jaysus.
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