Abortion
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Belial, Mischief, madam, and anyone else that I've missed in my sleep deprived state of mind, I'm going to bed. Please keep this thread alive: I'd be keen to join in again tomorrow.
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But the fact is, it is a life. It may not be fully developed, but it is a life. Ok, say you lived on a beach. It is mating season and there are turtle eggs everywhere. And then some teenagers come along and start smashing the eggs. What do you do? Do you call an animal rights hotline, or, since the eggs technically are not fully matured into a life, ignore them? And honestly, if you would ignore them, then you'd have a lot of people out for your head. So tell me then, how is a human life worth so much less than an animal? Is this because apparently we have come from apes, and all of the precise functions of the human body happene by chance? Evolution simply does not make sense to me, and neither does abortion. If you can't keep it, put it up for adoption!
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♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠ wrote:
There are many issues here. For one pregnancy and labor are dangerous. Why should a woman go through the pains of pregnancy and labor and have her body hormonally thrown out of whack if there's no need to⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Nevertheless, by up and offering it for adoption, it's solving both the problem of the child being murdered/not reaching potential, and the problem of the mother not reaching potential. It's genius!💣ㅆⅈʂʗℌⅈミƑ🔫 wrote:
You can't murder something that isn't sentientWhy not give the baby up for adoption once it's born, instead of murdering it.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
They still get a chance to live than never getting to live at all.💣ㅆⅈʂʗℌⅈミƑ🔫 wrote:
Most children who go up for adoption are never adopted. They just get raised by the system and most generally have horrible livesHere's my look on it, if you get an abortion your MURDERING a baby, why not wait for it to be born and then give it up for adoption. So I'm against it because it is murder.
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💣ㅆⅈʂʗℌⅈミƑ🔫 wrote:
And we end up paying for it. Because of this philosophy the world is overpopulated and starving⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
They still get a chance to live than never getting to live at all.💣ㅆⅈʂʗℌⅈミƑ🔫 wrote:
Most children who go up for adoption are never adopted. They just get raised by the system and most generally have horrible livesHere's my look on it, if you get an abortion your MURDERING a baby, why not wait for it to be born and then give it up for adoption. So I'm against it because it is murder.
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"and if a man can't make one,
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And also, I do not think our taxes should be put towards abortions. Here we are billions of dollars in debt to China and a bunch of other countries, and our tax money is going towards a bunch of irresponsible girls who got themselves pregnant and then don't want to face it, so they kill it. Much better uses of money, especially when Haiti, Japan, Italy, all those happened and there are still disasters happening!
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If a mother murdered her child the day it was born, she'd be arrested. Would they care as much the day before it was born?
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Abortions keep our population down. Therefore we need less money as a whole and less resources. We become a more successful countryAnd also, I do not think our taxes should be put towards abortions. Here we are billions of dollars in debt to China and a bunch of other countries, and our tax money is going towards a bunch of irresponsible girls who got themselves pregnant and then don't want to face it, so they kill it. Much better uses of money, especially when Haiti, Japan, Italy, all those happened and there are still disasters happening!
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You can't force your own religion into government..If you don't like it don't use it.
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Pregnancy is painful and very dangerous. Very few women survive it. An already developed and meaningful life means more to me than an undeveloped one
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LongShot15 wrote:
ExactlyYou can't force your own religion into government..If you don't like it don't use it.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
💣ㅆⅈʂʗℌⅈミƑ🔫 wrote:
⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
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Ok listen. I was adopted. From China. You know how it works there, right? And my mother risked her life to give me that small chance at a better life. Well, I'm here. And I'm sick of people yapping on about how I should have just been aborted, to escape hassle and any difficulties. Because I can assure you, I have a life. I am devoting my life, the life that was given to me at a grave risk and an enormous price, to helping others left behind. So, if people started actually helping instead of using people's misery as a shield, then how far could we go to help those orphans have a better life, or even a family?
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
This.Pregnancy is painful and very dangerous. Very few women survive it. An already developed and meaningful life means more to me than an undeveloped one
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Let's keep religion out of this one.
I am pro-life an think that killing any baby is absolute murder. More abortions happen per year than the amount of Jews genocided per year during WWII. More than 26 percent of my generation is dead because of abortion. I say give the child up for adoption and let them decide later on in life if they want to die. It is not the choice of someone else.
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madam wrote:
God says he knows the baby. Or you say the parasite.conceptionHow do we know there is a god. Should a non believer be forced to obey the rules of your religion? Should their entire life be ruined because of bronze age superstition?
No. But abortion isn't just about God, they get their own thoughts and they have their own heartbeat
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Carpenter wrote:
so the woman shouldn't have control over her own body? The life of a child is more important than hers?Let's keep religion out of this one.
I am pro-life an think that killing any baby is absolute murder. More abortions happen per year than the amount of Jews genocided per year during WWII. More than 26 percent of my generation is dead because of abortion. I say give the child up for adoption and let them decide later on in life if they want to die. It is not the choice of someone else.
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Aubergine wrote:
China has enough room and resources.They just stay crowded in city's.⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote: USA population is still much too high. We are running out of resources quickly
We in the US actually have no problem with resources. There is plenty to go around. Sometimes we may not allocate those resources in the most efficient ways, but we have enough. US produces and exports more corn than the rest of the world combined. Corn is used in practically every product we eat. If we had problems feeding people, we could just give them corn. USA is actually slightly bigger than China, with 1 billion less people. So we have plenty of space to go around as well. Abortion may be a valid issue to discuss, but you can't claim it's necessary due to resource constraints. -
JRaff wrote:
Abortion is done very early. Usually it hasn't develoPed into anything remotely human yet.madam wrote:
God says he knows the baby. Or you say the parasite.conceptionHow do we know there is a god. Should a non believer be forced to obey the rules of your religion? Should their entire life be ruined because of bronze age superstition?
No. But abortion isn't just about God, they get their own thoughts and they have their own heartbeat
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JRaff wrote:
Thank you 😋!madam wrote:
God says he knows the baby. Or you say the parasite.conceptionHow do we know there is a god. Should a non believer be forced to obey the rules of your religion? Should their entire life be ruined because of bronze age superstition?
No. But abortion isn't just about God, they get their own thoughts and they have their own heartbeat
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I didn't have time to provide reason. I'll have to do it later. Sorry.Zebulon Pike wrote:
Very constructiveNo.
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And I ask what in the case of rape? The woman should be the one punished and not the rapist?
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I knew I forgot something. I do believe that if the woman is in danger (moreso than a normal birth), then taking the babies life is more practical than risking the mother's life.Carpenter wrote:
so the woman shouldn't have control over her own body? The life of a child is more important than hers?Let's keep religion out of this one.
I am pro-life an think that killing any baby is absolute murder. More abortions happen per year than the amount of Jews genocided per year during WWII. More than 26 percent of my generation is dead because of abortion. I say give the child up for adoption and let them decide later on in life if they want to die. It is not the choice of someone else.
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I say abortion should remain legal and be 100% covered by tax dollars.
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I made a well writen argument. Then it dissapeared. Oops. Oh well, I'll redo it. Or not. I'm too lazy. Shoot. Oh well, know I'm pro choice.
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Here's my 2 cents
1. Taxpayers money would be a no.
2. Should not be used as a form of birth control. If your willing to take on the responsibility of having sex you take on all responsibilities including babies.
3. Until you've had a baby or have the potential to I don't think it's right to say you HAVE to have that baby. Given to many awful scenarios that could occur the woman should always have the right to choose. Example rape: many say have it and give it up so your asking the woman to emotionally deal with being raped and potentially never recover mentally from that but now expecting her to have the child and give it up and deal with that as well? Not fair to put or expect that kind of forced mental beat down on someone and that's only one example.So while I don't think it's right as a whole it's every situation that has to be thought about before making it a law..
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Yeah I think the life of the child is equal to hers, at least. Gosh do you know how absolutely selfish that sounds. "I got myself into this mess, but since I want to continue the life as I know it, I'm going to call my unborn baby a parasite or mass of undeveloped tissue and kill it. That makes it alright, because instead of thinking of the baby and the wonderful life it could have, I only want to think about myself, and the life I'm going to continue having, not to mention all the pain and hassle of childbirth. I want to go back to my original life, will probably result in this happening again." If you have any other thought processes that would defend your beliefs, please, post them now, or forever hold your peace.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
YOUR mom choose to have you she had a choice to get rid of you..You want a kid to feel the pain of growing up and your mommy not wanting you??💣ㅆⅈʂʗℌⅈミƑ🔫 wrote:
Most children who go up for adoption are never adopted. They just get raised by the system and most generally have horrible livesHere's my look on it, if you get an abortion your MURDERING a baby, why not wait for it to be born and then give it up for adoption. So I'm against it because it is murder.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
But if a religion is against it, wouldn't forcing them to pay these taxes against the constitution?I say abortion should remain legal and be 100% covered by tax dollars.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I feel like that would be paying for something that ones against your beliefs and doesn't even help the better good of the people. It only helps the people who get abortions. They should be totally private.I say abortion should remain legal and be 100% covered by tax dollars.
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