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Dux Mortuorum wrote:
If you want to avoid an abortion, just don't get one...Ojibwe wrote:
Here's another way of putting it: the states each have a right to decide whether a law is constitutional or not, and people who disagree with abortion can move to a state where it is illegal. But if the central government makes a law either way about abortion, then someone who disagrees with the law would have to leave the country to avoid it.No one is forcing doctors to preform abortions and constitutional issues are not the jurisdiction of the states.
You cannot decide which issues are religious in nature. Your religion does not make decisions for me.
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🔥zUntamed🔥 wrote:
đź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘ŤDux Mortuorum wrote:
If you want to avoid an abortion, just don't get one...Ojibwe wrote:
Here's another way of putting it: the states each have a right to decide whether a law is constitutional or not, and people who disagree with abortion can move to a state where it is illegal. But if the central government makes a law either way about abortion, then someone who disagrees with the law would have to leave the country to avoid it.No one is forcing doctors to preform abortions and constitutional issues are not the jurisdiction of the states.
You cannot decide which issues are religious in nature. Your religion does not make decisions for me.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Don't give me nightmares belial!Ojibwe wrote:
Many feel that way. They think this should be a Christian country. A theocracyBuffy wrote:
He'd really like his church to have jurisdiction over every aspect of our lives.Dux Mortuorum wrote:
I don't think the federal government should make ANY laws concerning abortion, because even legalizing it would be taking sides in a religious debate.
Since when is abortion a religious debate? By that logic cancer is also a religious issue.
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Zuntamed, what a very valid point. If you think it's blasphemy or whatever then when your significant other gets pregnant you can have a baby. Not everyone is under your same beliefs and can do what they want.
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Ok, maybe my opinions are a bit crazy. It just seems to me that when the government makes laws about things like this, they make it harder to really feel free to have my own opinion. I suppose abortion needs to be legal, everywhere, and I don't mind living where it is, but having to go so far to be somewhere else makes me feel trapped.
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Dux Mortuorum wrote:
Or jut ignore the law being min existence and mind your own business as it has no effect in you whatsoeverOjibwe wrote:
Here's another way of putting it: the states each have a right to decide whether a law is constitutional or not, and people who disagree with abortion can move to a state where it is illegal. But if the central government makes a law either way about abortion, then someone who disagrees with the law would have to leave the country to avoid it.No one is forcing doctors to preform abortions and constitutional issues are not the jurisdiction of the states.
You cannot decide which issues are religious in nature. Your religion does not make decisions for me.
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Dux Mortuorum wrote:
You're freedoms aren't in jeopardy because others can do things you agree with. That makes no freaking senseOk, maybe my opinions are a bit crazy. It just seems to me that when the government makes laws about things like this, they make it harder to really feel free to have my own opinion. I suppose abortion needs to be legal, everywhere, and I don't mind living where it is, but having to go so far to be somewhere else makes me feel trapped.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I don't mean what other people think, I mean what the government says. It would be like the government specifically legalized slaughtering and eating dogs. It wouldn't matter if nobody did it, I would feel trapped because I couln't easily get away from it.Dux Mortuorum wrote:
You're freedoms aren't in jeopardy because others can do things you agree with. That makes no freaking senseOk, maybe my opinions are a bit crazy. It just seems to me that when the government makes laws about things like this, they make it harder to really feel free to have my own opinion. I suppose abortion needs to be legal, everywhere, and I don't mind living where it is, but having to go so far to be somewhere else makes me feel trapped.
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I an easily turn this back in you. How dare Christianity be federally protected. It should be a decision from state to state on whether to allow Christians to be here. If it were only allowed in certain states I could move to another state to be away from Christians. My freedoms are violated because to escape them I'd have to leave the country!
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Dux Mortuorum wrote:
It's not one of your rights to restrict the rights of others. Case closed⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I don't mean what other people think, I mean what the government says. It would be like the government specifically legalized slaughtering and eating dogs. It wouldn't matter if nobody did it, I would feel trapped because I couln't easily get away from it.Dux Mortuorum wrote:
You're freedoms aren't in jeopardy because others can do things you agree with. That makes no freaking senseOk, maybe my opinions are a bit crazy. It just seems to me that when the government makes laws about things like this, they make it harder to really feel free to have my own opinion. I suppose abortion needs to be legal, everywhere, and I don't mind living where it is, but having to go so far to be somewhere else makes me feel trapped.
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And the dog analogy wouldn't bug me. Many beautiful cultures like the Cheyenne consumed dog. To allow others to do so would in no way violate my or anyone else's rights. Now if the law said they could kidnap your dog and consume it, then it's different, it becomes a violation of your rights
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Alright, I see your point. The issue is me, being so stuck in my own opinions that I have a hard time understanding anyone else's. I still think that abortion should be left up to the states, at least because so many people disagree with it.I an easily turn this back in you. How dare Christianity be federally protected. It should be a decision from state to state on whether to allow Christians to be here. If it were only allowed in certain states I could move to another state to be away from Christians. My freedoms are violated because to escape them I'd have to leave the country!
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Dux Mortuorum wrote:
It's a basic human right. I usually lean toward the states but in this case it should be protected by the federal government⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Alright, I see your point. The issue is me, being so stuck in my own opinions that I have a hard time understanding anyone else's. I still think that abortion should be left up to the states, at least because so many people disagree with it.I an easily turn this back in you. How dare Christianity be federally protected. It should be a decision from state to state on whether to allow Christians to be here. If it were only allowed in certain states I could move to another state to be away from Christians. My freedoms are violated because to escape them I'd have to leave the country!
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I disagree. I feel that a right is an absolute, something you will always have, as long as you live, regardless of anything. For example, the right to own property: you will always have the right to own something, even if all you have left is your body. No one can take that away from you without killing you. But there are times when a woman cannot have an abortion, so it can't fall in the same category of basic rights.It's a basic human right. I usually lean toward the states but in this case it should be protected by the federal government
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What I'm saying Catholics are being hypocritical and need to keep religion and government separated
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Im for abortion slug. And calling and labeling people nuts is not supporting your argument in any way. I mine as well label you as arrogant. If you at all have read what i posted besides you correcting me on the silly egg issue. I concluded its not my decision to make on abortion. Nor will I have a instituion enforce my view. I can express if feel abrtion is wrong, something you don't like to hear.
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♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠wrote:
How so irrelevant? Elaborate.LongShot15 wrote:
Longshot: yes I have, yes you're right. Irrelevant?slugboy wrote:
Right. Also have you guys EVER read a bible? About marriage? Only when your married are you to have sex.♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠wrote:
There's a suprise, one religious nut defending another religious nut🔥zUntamed🔥 wrote:
snippedŐŹhadowAÍśngelĆŠ. wrote:
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Slugboy: I'm not a nut, neither is ShadowAngel. We have our beliefs: everyone is entitled to that. Even you have yours! Belial disagrees strongly with our beliefs, but I think even he is fair enough to accept that it's our right to believe what we want. Ask him! -
LongShot15 wrote:
Well. I don't know about that. But in regards to abortion catholics don't believe in birth control or abortion. They believe that sperm being wasted is the same as abortion if I'm not mistakenWhat I'm saying Catholics are being hypocritical and need to keep religion and government separated
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
You think church and state shouldn't be separated, B?LongShot15 wrote:
Well. I don't know about that. But in regards to abortion catholics don't believe in birth control or abortion. They believe that sperm being wasted is the same as abortion if I'm not mistakenWhat I'm saying Catholics are being hypocritical and need to keep religion and government separated
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♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠wrote:
LongShot15 wrote:
slugboy wrote:
You have the right to believe what you want. You however do not have the right to seek to change laws based on your belief so the rest of is have to follow the same thing. This is my problem with much of Christianity.♠Aⅅⅅ ϮuƦƑ₳♠wrote:
Belial disagrees strongly with our beliefs, but I think even he is fair enough to accept that it's our right to believe what we want. Ask him!🔥zUntamed🔥 wrote:
snippedŐŹhadowAÍśngelĆŠ. wrote:
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The religious right did it with gay marriage. Wouldn't allow it because it is counter to their beliefs. Prostitution is the same way. And the same is tried with abortion. Too many Christians out there want to rule us in a totalitarian theocracy. Not cool and I won't tolerate such views
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Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Corse I do. Where did I say it shouldn't. The church should have zero power in the state. As is we have no seperation⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
You think church and state shouldn't be separated, B?LongShot15 wrote:
Well. I don't know about that. But in regards to abortion catholics don't believe in birth control or abortion. They believe that sperm being wasted is the same as abortion if I'm not mistakenWhat I'm saying Catholics are being hypocritical and need to keep religion and government separated
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
đź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘Ťđź‘ŤThe religious right did it with gay marriage. Wouldn't allow it because it is counter to their beliefs. Prostitution is the same way. And the same is tried with abortion. Too many Christians out there want to rule us in a totalitarian theocracy. Not cool and I won't tolerate such views
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Oh. I was just thinking, seriously, out of everyone here?! Read your post wrongJeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Corse I do. Where did I say it shouldn't. The church should have zero power in the state. As is we have no seperation⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
You think church and state shouldn't be separated, B?LongShot15 wrote:
Well. I don't know about that. But in regards to abortion catholics don't believe in birth control or abortion. They believe that sperm being wasted is the same as abortion if I'm not mistakenWhat I'm saying Catholics are being hypocritical and need to keep religion and government separated
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Then some Catholics need to shh due to not being married..then having kids. I'm talking about that 25% that gets really pissed. Lol
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We need a drastic seperation of church and state. You know it's illegal in the state of Texas for an atheist to be in state legislature? I mean cmon!
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Revenge wrote:
It wasn't in support of any argument, more a side issue ;)Im for abortion slug. And calling and labeling people nuts is not supporting your argument in any way. I mine as well label you as arrogant. If you at all have read what i posted besides you correcting me on the silly egg issue. I concluded its not my decision to make on abortion. Nor will I have a instituion enforce my view. I can express if feel abrtion is wrong, something you don't like to hear.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
That's bad! What if there was a atheist church? Then what? You wouldn't want that.We need a drastic seperation of church and state. You know it's illegal in the state of Texas for an atheist to be in state legislature? I mean cmon!
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Revenge wrote:
And there have been way too many posts, iv had to keep scanning through them, if I have misconstrued your position I'm more than happy to offer an apology.Im for abortion slug. And calling and labeling people nuts is not supporting your argument in any way. I mine as well label you as arrogant. If you at all have read what i posted besides you correcting me on the silly egg issue. I concluded its not my decision to make on abortion. Nor will I have a instituion enforce my view. I can express if feel abrtion is wrong, something you don't like to hear.
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LongShot15 wrote:
There can't be an atheist church lol⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
That's bad! What if there was a atheist church? Then what? You wouldn't want that.We need a drastic seperation of church and state. You know it's illegal in the state of Texas for an atheist to be in state legislature? I mean cmon!
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