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All I'm saying is abstinence isn't the way. Abstinence isn't healthy and birth control can fail
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
😳🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
Sure they do. But it's not the only thing that does. Also depends in the woman. I have a friend she's had 12 abortions. Doesn't seem to affect her in the leastIf you don't want a child....take the necessary precautions to make sure that you don't get pregnant. Sex is absolutely about reproduction. It is also part of a healthy marital relationship. It also has huge medical benefits. It is also about responsibility. Do not ask me to pay taxes to fund your abortion when you are too lazy to take birth control correctly or refuse to take the time to put on a condom because it's inconvenient. And Belial, are you serious with the "masturbation causes physiological issues" statement? You don't think abortions cause life long psychological issues??
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
#4 Approximately 3,000 Americans lost their lives as a result of the destruction of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. Every single day, more than 3,000 American babies are killed by abortion. -
According to Pastor Clenard Childress, approximately 52 percent of all African-American pregnancies now end in abortion.
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I don't mean to sound disrespectful or belittle the fact that your friend has had twelve abortions, BUT.....dang B, she's not even trying!! If all people who had sex simply used a condom (correctly) in conjunction with a spermicide, the amount of abortions would be reduced by a huge percentage. I've been in the heat of the moment and decided to forgo a condom and was lucky to have gotten away with it. If we're honest about sexual behavior....abortions, sexually transmitted diseases and emotional/psychological issues resulting from sex are mostly due to laziness, a lack of education and the inability to control ones desires. Plain and simple.
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#7 One very shocking study found that 86 percent of all abortions are done for the sake of convenience.
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Some abortion clinics have been caught selling aborted baby parts to medical researchers.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
So? Medical research is a good thingSome abortion clinics have been caught selling aborted baby parts to medical researchers.
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🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
Trust me Nate. I don't agree with her behavior. Or the despair she caused my roommate when she aborted his kidI don't mean to sound disrespectful or belittle the fact that your friend has had twelve abortions, BUT.....dang B, she's not even trying!! If all people who had sex simply used a condom (correctly) in conjunction with a spermicide, the amount of abortions would be reduced by a huge percentage. I've been in the heat of the moment and decided to forgo a condom and was lucky to have gotten away with it. If we're honest about sexual behavior....abortions, sexually transmitted diseases and emotional/psychological issues resulting from sex are mostly due to laziness, a lack of education and the inability to control ones desires. Plain and simple.
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Laziness, lack of education, lack of self control. Belial, would you not agree that most unplanned pregnancies result from one (or all three) of these concepts??
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🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
Sure. And it does sadden me that we live in a society that doesn't believe in taking consequence for its actions. However abortion is here to stay regardless. And there are situations where I feel it's perfectly alrightLaziness, lack of education, lack of self control. Belial, would you not agree that most unplanned pregnancies result from one (or all three) of these concepts??
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If we didn't have legal abortions we would have illegal abortions. Studies have shown that arborion rates are highest where they're illegal. At least having them legal we can keep some modicum of safety
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger once said the following….If we didn't have legal abortions we would have illegal abortions. Studies have shown that arborion rates are highest where they're illegal. At least having them legal we can keep some modicum of safety
“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” -
The following is one description of the five steps of a partial birth abortion….
1) Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s legs with forceps.
2) The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
3) The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head.
4) The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the skull.
5) The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed. -
⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
There have been more than 53 million abortions performed in the United States since Roe v. Wade was decided back in 1973.If we didn't have legal abortions we would have illegal abortions. Studies have shown that arborion rates are highest where they're illegal. At least having them legal we can keep some modicum of safety
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
How was that relevant to my post. Fact remains you will never end abortion. If you make it illegal it'll go right back to the black market and be less sanitary and less safe.⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger once said the following….If we didn't have legal abortions we would have illegal abortions. Studies have shown that arborion rates are highest where they're illegal. At least having them legal we can keep some modicum of safety
“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” -
The number of American babies killed by abortion each year is roughly equal to the number of U.S. military deaths that have occurred in all of the wars that the United States has ever been involved in combined.
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None of which change the fact that you'll never get rid of it. All you'll do is put young girls in a less safe environment if you were to make it illegal
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
And these facts mean what? That our population would've skyrocketed past being manageable?The number of American babies killed by abortion each year is roughly equal to the number of U.S. military deaths that have occurred in all of the wars that the United States has ever been involved in combined.
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I honestly believe the most compelling piece is safety. If you ha a daughter and she was going to run away to have an abortion would you want her to run to a safe clean clinic or run to an underground facility that isn't regulated or concerned with sanitation. By keeping it legal we can regulate it and apply sanitation laws and keep these girls as safe as possible
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
It's the sex-driven kids who are past being manageable.₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
And these facts mean what? That our population would've skyrocketed past being manageable?The number of American babies killed by abortion each year is roughly equal to the number of U.S. military deaths that have occurred in all of the wars that the United States has ever been involved in combined.
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⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
Another thing you aren't going to be able to change.⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
It's the sex-driven kids who are past being manageable.₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
And these facts mean what? That our population would've skyrocketed past being manageable?The number of American babies killed by abortion each year is roughly equal to the number of U.S. military deaths that have occurred in all of the wars that the United States has ever been involved in combined.
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For good or for evil sex is all around the kids now. It's all over the media and it's everywhere they are. You're never going to be rid of it
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
So the question of "should we allow it" is really irrelevant. People who engage in sexually irresponsible acts will always have some form of abortion to bail them out. We live in a society in which people can do whatever they want without having to deal with the consequences of those actions. The only hope for our future is greater parental influence in our children's lives, greater education (specific to this discussion in the area of sexual conduct) and a greater understanding of personal responsibility.For good or for evil sex is all around the kids now. It's all over the media and it's everywhere they are. You're never going to be rid of it
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🔥⌖Nate😲Dogg🔥⌖ wrote:
I agree. But I also believe its never going to happen. Not at a meaningful level anyways. We can hopefully benefit pur own children at least not to make horrible mistakes. But as a society I think we are f*****⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
So the question of "should we allow it" is really irrelevant. People who engage in sexually irresponsible acts will always have some form of abortion to bail them out. We live in a society in which people can do whatever they want without having to deal with the consequences of those actions. The only hope for our future is greater parental influence in our children's lives, greater education (specific to this discussion in the area of sexual conduct) and a greater understanding of personal responsibility.For good or for evil sex is all around the kids now. It's all over the media and it's everywhere they are. You're never going to be rid of it
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In the majority of cases abortion shouldn't even be an option. If you can't handle the emotional or financial burden of having a child then give it up for adoption. There are more than enough people who cannot conceive who would be thrilled with the opportunity to adopt. Insurance would cover the cost of the pregnancy, a life will have been spared and a potentially unsafe "black market" abortion will have been avoided. Also, the pain of child birth will remind the mother that protection is the way to go the next time.
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Well. It's still considered a right in our country. And I think should continue to be that way. In the case of a rape the mother isn't going to want to explain why she wants the abortion to get permission from the government. And a woman that could possibly face death from her pregnancy could find she is too late after cutting through red tape. As is I think is the best answer. Teach our children responsibility and be supportive always and hope for the best. Most abortions are done in secret to hide the pregnancy from the parent. If I have kids I never want them to feel anything must be hidden from me and that they Woupd still be supported through their mistakes
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
That's why I said that "in the majority of cases" abortion shouldn't be an option. Rape and the safety of the mother should be handled differently than pregnancies being kept secret from parents or "whoops, I made a mistake last night". I think it's pretty evident from the video documentation of fetal development that abortion is killing a child and IMO, that's an unacceptable way to keep a secret.Well. It's still considered a right in our country. And I think should continue to be that way. In the case of a rape the mother isn't going to want to explain why she wants the abortion to get permission from the government. And a woman that could possibly face death from her pregnancy could find she is too late after cutting through red tape. As is I think is the best answer. Teach our children responsibility and be supportive always and hope for the best. Most abortions are done in secret to hide the pregnancy from the parent.
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⌖ajc⌖ wrote:
Studies have shown that having more planned parenthood, free birth control, legal abortions, and open talks about sex result in lower teen pregnancy rates along with lower abortion rates, less STD's, and also more safe, educated, sex between couples. Because of your radical view points on these topics everything gets worse.⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
It's the sex-driven kids who are past being manageable.₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
And these facts mean what? That our population would've skyrocketed past being manageable?The number of American babies killed by abortion each year is roughly equal to the number of U.S. military deaths that have occurred in all of the wars that the United States has ever been involved in combined.
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Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Studies have shown that having more planned parenthood, free birth control, legal abortions, and open talks about sex result in lower teen pregnancy rates along with lower abortion rates, less STD's, and also more safe, educated, sex between couples. Because of your radical view points on these topics everything gets worse.
Technically, Jeff, having legal abortions has zero effect on teen pregnancy since you have to be pregnant to have an abortion. Also, if studies have shown that free birth control lowers pregnancy rates then the reports that Belial sited that birth control was ineffective are directly conflicting each other. Please explain what you mean by having more "planned parenthood". I totally agree that education is a big part reversing the trend of teenaged pregnancy but killing babies is a bit extreme for dealing with a sexual act that wasn't well prepared for don't you think?
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