Called my Senators for the first time today...
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The president signed this today (of all days). The system is broken.
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The whole world is fucked up!
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Ima throw this out there idk if anybody cares but you wanta know what's going on in America without all the bullshit icin CNN and them put on the news .... Go try to watch like news on america in England and other states my buddy showed me and some of that shit is scary the same store told both ways just one CNN is beating around the bush and two forgien news is givin you the real shit.... Now I'm born and raised in Texas I'm find for now knock on wood but damn man shits gittin deep 👎
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You Americans could possibly give rise to your very own Julius Ceaser soon. Look at the similarities with the late roman republic.😳
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Communism anyone?
It doesn't matter whether it's a bill/law or not. Anyone can go missing into custody and they could just deny it. USA has some silly laws just like the UK, but that's how democracy works.. (or in some cases doesn't)"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
(now don't jump the gun, I'm not justifying terrorism, but when their raised in such a way, what else do they know? North Korea is a perfect example)
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Odysseus wrote:
Why not? The whole idea of Democracy has begun to become corrupt, so I wouldn't mind a single strong leader, as long as they had more of a semblance of what they're supposed to do.You Americans could possibly give rise to your very own Julius Ceaser soon. Look at the similarities with the late roman republic.😳
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To put it simply, it's unconstitutional. And no one should be okay with this, everything will eventually touch you. So please know whats going on, theirs more in life than just your everyday business.
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All will be revealed before 2014 I believe, but it still isn't to late. Look into the rothschilds. All this was planned pre world war two. After every world war the world emerges very different. If and when we do have our next major war, how do you think the world will end up? Free or oppressed? If your not vigilant you will find your self awaking in a world that's not free.
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\\// (/\dd Vee) wrote:
Where did you get the news it passed? I'm seeing that it wasn't.The president signed this today (of all days). The system is broken.
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This is a serious step into america being a police state. With the passing of the patriot act Internet kill switch and the passing of the NDAA, liberals and conservitives wanting troops on the streets and the activation of the FEMA camps around the US, it's inevitable that we can't stop this already because it's too late. Obama needs another 9/11 to go to war with Iran and carry on fighting invisible terrorist in 3rd world countries while we all are suspected as enemies of the state.
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Welcome to the brave new world.
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Never mind I found it. Why isn't their any press over this? I'm shocked right now...
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Revenge wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/12/31/396018/breaking-obama-signs-defense-authorization-bill/\\// (/\dd Vee) wrote:
Where did you get the news it passed? I'm seeing that it wasn't.The president signed this today (of all days). The system is broken.
Here is one article. I'm sure there are others.
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Bye bye civil rights , big brothers watching you . They will have to kill me to take my freedom
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Amazing they pushed it threw when the people were celebrating christmas and the new year.
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Freedom ! Lay down and give it away or die for it . Think of all of our warriors Americans , Brits , French , Canadians etc that have fought and died for it . Don't give it up, don't throw it away be a voice,be heard. People remember that the same soliders that would be used to oppress us are our sons and daughters. Stay strong , freedom of speech . Sorry but our country has lost its way and it aggravates me
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Revenge wrote:
I read somewhere that the president basically had to sign this because it was wrapped up with some military funding, or something like that. Either way something is seriously wrong with the fact that this passed. Next they will force through SOPA and PIPA and we can all pretend we live in China....Amazing they pushed it threw when the people were celebrating christmas and the new year.
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\\// (/\dd Vee) wrote:
All in the name of freedomRevenge wrote:
I read somewhere that the president basically had to sign this because it was wrapped up with some military funding, or something like that. Either way something is seriously wrong with the fact that this passed. Next they will force through SOPA and PIPA and we can all pretend we live in China....Amazing they pushed it threw when the people were celebrating christmas and the new year.
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ЯэАрэя wrote:
👏👏👏👏👏I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this... I can see both sides of the arguement.
However, the sad fact is that for as long as this remains in effect, it will be misused and abused by a significant amount those who have the ability to do so.
With that being said, let us see it removed. Too much power is too much power, regardless of who has it.
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Um so they are finding a way to remove our rights, thats nice
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"The Man" wrote:
✊👏👏👏nick wrote:
"The Man", I'm with ya. We need the legal tools (and firepower) to find the bastards, but not at the cost of our basic freedoms. This country's faced far more dangerous enemies without giving them up, why surrender them now?
Yeah, having worked for "The Man" now for over 15 years, with a two year break for the private sector, I've seen both sides of this.
Yes, we need to protect our country. Yes, there are bad people out there (remember I lived and worked in Pakistan for 18 months) and we (The US govt) need a way to get them. But to take away the basic rights that we (Americans) hold dear (and are legal, for any hippy's who want to interject) negates the whole point of protecting our country in the first place.
Its a fine balancing act of freedom and security that in my (non Govt persona) opinion has already been crossed. ✊
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The People always need to keep their "rulers" in check. Passing a bill like this undermines all of that. Slippery slope towards a fascist state.
As for declaring war against an idea or abstract thing, I.e. terror, did anyone define when it would be won and who the actual REAL targets are, or is it just the 'target of the moment, cuz we don't like them or their policies'
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Democracy in the modern world is nothing like that in the Greek city-states, where it originated. Basically WE are all too lazy to be constantly engaged with political decisions, so we allow others to take on that mantle and represent us.
Just think: how often do you REALLY get to vote on something that matters in your life? And then compare that to the number of decisions made, on your behalf but without your direct involvement, that actually affect your way of life.
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Summary: Get involved, get off your arses (like Nick demonstrated), stand up and get engaged and be counted.
Your Freedom and Rights matter, so why allow others to decide to limit or take them away.
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Fluke wrote:
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏Summary: Get involved, get off your arses (like Nick demonstrated), stand up and get engaged and be counted.
Your Freedom and Rights matter, so why allow others to decide to limit or take them away.
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I'm confused what does this mean?
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KamiKazi😝👾 wrote:
It means the 4th amendment is no longer valid. No trial by jury etc. If you are suspected or accused of terroism, they can detain you indefinitely without trial.I'm confused what does this mean?
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Oh and look at what they classify as terroism. They can detain almost anyone.
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Revenge wrote:
So your saying it's ok for America to detain foreign nationals in this way (I.e Guantanamo bay) but not US citizens?KamiKazi😝👾 wrote:
It means the 4th amendment is no longer valid. No trial by jury etc. If you are suspected or accused of terroism, they can detain you indefinitely without trial.I'm confused what does this mean?
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Hahahaha. None of this global policeing is acceptable. I didn't say us trampling on foreign people is right. But now that tyranny is comeing home near you.
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