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Midnight was the deadline for everyone to leave. Now it is 1:50 in the morning. The news channel said there were more than 5,000 people protesting yesterday. Now the news is showing all the police getting suited up in riot gear. And the protesters are yelling "these are our streets"
Even though I'm not at the protest, it is still really riveting even just watching it unfold on the news.
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Now someone was just arrested for trying to hit some police officers.
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Bayern Munich wrote:
Lol, THEIR streets. The streets are actually owned by the government.Midnight was the deadline for everyone to leave. Now it is 1:50 in the morning. The news channel said there were more than 5,000 people protesting yesterday. Now the news is showing all the police getting suited up in riot gear. And the protesters are yelling "these are our streets"
Even though I'm not at the protest, it is still really riveting even just watching it unfold on the news.
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__Don_Line__ wrote:
The government exists for the people, and was made by the people. Taxes paid for those streets. Taxes from the people. So technically the public owns them. Thats the idea on paper anyways. American citizens getting arrested for protesting injustice on public streets, isn't funny.Bayern Munich wrote:
Lol, THEIR streets. The streets are actually owned by the government.Midnight was the deadline for everyone to leave. Now it is 1:50 in the morning. The news channel said there were more than 5,000 people protesting yesterday. Now the news is showing all the police getting suited up in riot gear. And the protesters are yelling "these are our streets"
Even though I'm not at the protest, it is still really riveting even just watching it unfold on the news.
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GreenMan/x/🇺🇸💀🔫 wrote:
exactly. Clear violation of the constitution. Protesting is in the greatest spirit of which this country was founded. It's sad to see the government stoop to this level__Don_Line__ wrote:
The government exists for the people, and was made by the people. Taxes paid for those streets. Taxes from the people. So technically the public owns them. Thats the idea on paper anyways. American citizens getting arrested for protesting injustice on public streets, isn't funny.Bayern Munich wrote:
Lol, THEIR streets. The streets are actually owned by the government.Now the news is showing all the police getting suited up in riot gear. And the protesters are yelling "these are our streets"
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There are rules in place to keep protests legal, having the ability to simply protest whenever and wherever you want regardless of the disruption it causes is not a right and should be dealt with appropriately. ✊
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"The Man" wrote:
For example, if their doing their protests outside of someone's house, the person owning the house can file a complaint to get rid of the noise or crowd.There are rules in place to keep protests legal, having the ability to simply protest whenever and wherever you want regardless of the disruption it causes is not a right and should be dealt with appropriately. ✊
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"The Man" wrote:
They weren't given time to get to a solution. So the protest should continueThere are rules in place to keep protests legal, having the ability to simply protest whenever and wherever you want regardless of the disruption it causes is not a right and should be dealt with appropriately. ✊
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__Don_Line__ wrote:
Bull. The right to protest should supersede all other rights"The Man" wrote:
For example, if their doing their protests outside of someone's house, the person owning the house can file a complaint to get rid of the noise or crowd.There are rules in place to keep protests legal, having the ability to simply protest whenever and wherever you want regardless of the disruption it causes is not a right and should be dealt with appropriately. ✊
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"The Man" 2 hours ago Quote
There are rules in place to keep protests legal, having the ability to simply protest whenever and wherever you want regardless of the disruption it causes is not a right and should be dealt with appropriately. ✊I AGREE! Whos the Capo of Portland?! Round him up, lets see what hes got to say!'
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All from multiple media sources ..
They shut down traffic and disrupt businesses on purpose - illegal
They protest in areas that require a permit without one - illegal
They sleep in parks and disrupt the lives of the people living in those areas - Two illegal things thereWhy not let them fire guns into the air too? You know to show unity, I know it's a law but so many others are being broken, why not?
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Instead of organizing to disrupt they should use the effort to find candidates they like and vote them in!
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Mikey2Times wrote:
Democracy has failed. Protesting is the only recourse left. And so what if businesses are disrupted? After all the protestors are exercising their first amendment. That amendment is number one for a good reasonInstead of organizing to disrupt they should use the effort to find candidates they like and vote them in!
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Mikey2Times wrote: They protest in areas that require a permit without one - illegal
So you think it's ok to require permits for the first amendment? -
👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
Dude, just because you say it's failed doesn't make it so. Two, the owners of those business have families to support, employees to pay, and creditors to meet obligations with- all of which feed back into the economy. Three, the first amendment doesn't grant you special powers to break the law.Mikey2Times wrote:
Democracy has failed. Protesting is the only recourse left. And so what if businesses are disrupted? After all the protestors are exercising their first amendment. That amendment is number one for a good reasonInstead of organizing to disrupt they should use the effort to find candidates they like and vote them in!
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Mikey2Times wrote:
Laws shouldn't be in place limiting the first amendment in the first place.👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
Dude, just because you say it's failed doesn't make it so. Two, the owners of those business have families to support, employees to pay, and creditors to meet obligations with- all of which feed back into the economy. Three, the first amendment doesn't grant you special powers to break the law.Mikey2Times wrote:
Democracy has failed. Protesting is the only recourse left. And so what if businesses are disrupted? After all the protestors are exercising their first amendment. That amendment is number one for a good reasonInstead of organizing to disrupt they should use the effort to find candidates they like and vote them in!
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You. Sound. Insane.
I'm not going back and forth with you. If you don't understand that you CAN'T break the law just because you want to be heard, then I don't know what to say. -
Mikey2Times wrote:
And you don't understand that states shouldn't have the right to Enact laws to restrict you from being heard in the first place.You. Sound. Insane.
I'm not going back and forth with you. If you don't understand that you CAN'T break the law just because you want to be heard, then I don't know what to say. -
If they all went and quietly protested in a field somewhere what would they get done? Who's attention would they get with that? Sometimes you gotta slap somebody in the mouth the get a little attention around here!
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RΞ〽IΠGTФΠ🇺🇸 wrote:
Where's the line? With no laws and no regard for them you can move the line all over the place and say your just trying to get everyone's attention.If they all went and quietly protested in a field somewhere what would they get done? Who's attention would they get with that? Sometimes you gotta slap somebody in the mouth the get a little attention around here!
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I understand about not breaking laws, but it's getting to the point of either lay down and take it... Or... Or...
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RΞ〽IΠGTФΠ🇺🇸 wrote:
ExactlyIf they all went and quietly protested in a field somewhere what would they get done? Who's attention would they get with that? Sometimes you gotta slap somebody in the mouth the get a little attention around here!
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Having lived in and visited countries all over the world that have ruling governments based on communism, soviet rule, dictatorship, one ruling family, and so many more 'less than ideal' governments I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty:
If those protesters saw what a fucked up world this really is they would go home, thank whatever deity they believe in to have all the freedoms they currently have, and stop breaking the damn law. 👊👊
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👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
RΞ〽IΠGTФΠ🇺🇸 wrote:
ExactlyIf they all went and quietly protested in a field somewhere what would they get done? Who's attention would they get with that? Sometimes you gotta slap somebody in the mouth the get a little attention around here!
It's true, I saw this first hand in Pakistan while stuck in a protest during Marshall Law. The protesters got attention alright, I can promise you what I saw happen to some of them (right there on the main street in front of my car) would make a lot of you puke.
Much as this hippy ass whiny law breaking thread is doing to me.
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"The Man" wrote:
I don't like this statement. Just because there are worse systems doesn't mean we should settle for a really horrible systemHaving lived in and visited countries all over the world that have ruling governments based on communism, soviet rule, dictatorship, one ruling family, and so many more 'less than ideal' governments I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty:
If those protesters saw what a fucked up world this really is they would go home, thank whatever deity they believe in to have all the freedoms they currently have, and stop breaking the damn law. 👊👊
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👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
Absolutely supersedes small state laws. You can legally tell someone to get off your property but you can not tell protestors to get off the street in front of your property. The right to peacefully assemble is a constitutional right so if a law infringes on your right to peacefully assembly then it's unconstitutional.__Don_Line__ wrote:
Bull. The right to protest should supersede all other rights"The Man" wrote:
For example, if their doing their protests outside of someone's house, the person owning the house can file a complaint to get rid of the noise or crowd.There are rules in place to keep protests legal, having the ability to simply protest whenever and wherever you want regardless of the disruption it causes is not a right and should be dealt with appropriately. ✊
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RΞ〽IΠGTФΠ🇺🇸 wrote:
This is correct. This is what our founding fathers wanted for us. I'm sorry but petty misdeamenor laws don't hold a candle to our right to assemble and assemble and be seen!If they all went and quietly protested in a field somewhere what would they get done? Who's attention would they get with that? Sometimes you gotta slap somebody in the mouth the get a little attention around here!
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Λdོdོi wrote:
RΞ〽IΠGTФΠ🇺🇸 wrote:
This is correct. This is what our founding fathers wanted for us. I'm sorry but petty misdeamenor laws don't hold a candle to our right to assemble and assemble and be seen!If they all went and quietly protested in a field somewhere what would they get done? Who's attention would they get with that? Sometimes you gotta slap somebody in the mouth the get a little attention around here!
So the people and businesses who's lives are disrupted just get boned and have no rights?
Amazing.
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I wouldn't "bone" them personally lol. But, yes, that's what's great about this country and makes it better than those countries you mentioned. Try to take those rights away and we will be no better.
This obviously isn't a black and white subject area but I fully support the American right to assemble and protest peacefully. Along with every other constitutional right. That's the bottom line. If you haven't seen some of the video clips where these people and students are getting the shit beat out of them for assembling peacefully and not on a street mind you, maybe you should watch them. It's a disgrace to our founding fathers and our veterans.
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Unlawful protests are a big reason of why this country isn't part of England.
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Mikey, talking politics and reality with B is kind of akin to pissing into a gale. Pretty useless and you just ruin a good pair of shoes. These people sympathetic to the Occupy fiasco, for the most part, have little to know business knowledge. If you ask most of them their goals they have no clue. Ask them what the hierarchy of the organization is, again no clue. Half of the nitwits in Madison and Milwaukee were out there protesting because they wanted their college loans paid for by the gov't. If you couldn't afford it don't go, just goes to show even college can't buy brains for many.
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