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It's not like when you went to college and were able to get out and get a job Viper, it's different now. It's not that most don't want to pay its they can't because they can't get a job, not only that but inflation rises prices but it doesn't raise salaries so one can pay regular bills but student loans are put on the backburner. There's a reason why over a million students are in default and it damn sure isn't because they are all lazy. As is easy as that is to say and to turn a blind eye to the issues for those that don't have a comfy setting already in place before our world went to shit.
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"The Man" wrote:
There are rules in place to keep protests legal, having the ability to simply protest whenever and wherever you want regardless of the disruption it causes is not a right and should be dealt with appropriately. ✊
Does "appropriately" mean baton beatings and tear gas for what essentialy is a non-violent misdemeanor?
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Λdོdོi wrote:
It's not like when you went to college and were able to get out and get a job Viper, it's different now. It's not that most don't want to pay its they can't because they can't get a job, not only that but inflation rises prices but it doesn't raise salaries so one can pay regular bills but student loans are put on the backburner. There's a reason why over a million students are in default and it damn sure isn't because they are all lazy. As is easy as that is to say and to turn a blind eye to the issues for those that don't have a comfy setting already in place before our world went to shit.
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I've got something I would like to say.. I am at work right now, but as soon as I get time I will start working on it... May have to be a separate post though.
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In the meantime maybe you "business smart" people could tell us ignorant hillbillies what exactly you think that the people should do? You must know... TheMan, Viper? I would love to hear your solutions.....
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Here's my $ .02 from another post:
Watch 'Too big to fail' an HBO movie. For those of you who aren't really familiar with what happened or how it happened they did a decent job (for hollywood types). There are way too many coconspirators to list (legislators, wall street, and yes US the people) but it was all centered around greed. Mrs Jones had no business cashing out the equity in her house and becoming a spec investor. And no one forced Mr Jones to take such a risky mortgage that he actually had no vested interest in the transaction and walk away from the closing with cash (and strapped himself so tight that if the water heater broke he would have to decide either to pay the mortgage or fix the water heater). I suppose that is everyone else's fault but Mr and Mrs Jones - I mean we all deserve the American dream but we all don't want to work for it, it should be given to us right? Forget about occupy this and occupy that, if you want to make a difference VOTE -
(something we take for granted, there are people out there fighting for the everyday rights we have). And yes your vote does count at every level. Eventually people move up the ranks from local politics to the national stage. And people will make the shallow argument about electoral votes and so on- but I'm not even talking about a presidential election. Start in your own backyard- We need change, yes but WE need to actually do something about it.
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Mikey2Times wrote:
Problem is ALL politicians fall into corruption. There hasn't been a non corrupt politician in over 40 years. Hence when you vote you aren't voting for change. Just more of the same. No. If you want change we need to throw out the whole system and start fresh(something we take for granted, there are people out there fighting for the everyday rights we have). And yes your vote does count at every level. Eventually people move up the ranks from local politics to the national stage. And people will make the shallow argument about electoral votes and so on- but I'm not even talking about a presidential election. Start in your own backyard- We need change, yes but WE need to actually do something about it.
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Addi, I fully agree, it is a different world for today's grad. But with the ever increasing flow of graduates there was bound to be a wall at some point. Not to mention the government regs right now make it far more expensive to hire new candidates than it is to outsource the work until regulations change. But getting a full degree requires an amount of risk on the students part, the sheepskin doesn't mean a gauranteed job. Why should I foot the bill for little Johnny wetpants and his Liberal Arts degree because he didn't get the 6-figure job on graduation that he thought he should get. I was not able to go to college myself because of finances yet I took the jobs I could, worked myself up, got further training and now have a good career in a decent company. Not everyone can start at the top, these kids are not realizing that.
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Yet the loans are destroying them. So you think try should suffer in poverty because the government messed everythin up?
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Common law vs maritime admiralty law.
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👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
Then they should have chosen schools they could more realistically afford. By that same argument should everyone in the country be given a free new car because it would make life easier? The American Dream is being given the chance to make a better life for yourself and your family, not be handed a better life just because you piss and moan for one. I worked my way thru hard times and came out the other side, and learned all along the way. Anyone remember the saying "give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry"? Just goes to show even way back in time they knew handouts would not work.Yet the loans are destroying them. So you think try should suffer in poverty because the government messed everythin up?
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Lumping all politicians into one statement is just not fair to the ones who actually do a good job and yes they are out there. It's just like making any general statement about anything. Another general statement is 'just throw everything out and start over' - that makes sense lets send more shock waves through the economy. What is it that you propose exactly for this new world order?
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You non portlanders talking about this are quite funny. Nobody has mentioned the increased crime, 4 overdoses in the past week, distinction of public property, two rapes and a rash of thefts. Never mind the police and city worker overtime which has cost the city over a half million dollars which will result in layoffs which are going to hurt the 99% that these people claim to represent
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Noghri_ViR wrote:
Looking it up there is no correlation between increased crime and these peaceful protestsYou non portlanders talking about this are quite funny. Nobody has mentioned the increased crime, 4 overdoses in the past week, distinction of public property, two rapes and a rash of thefts. Never mind the police and city worker overtime which has cost the city over a half million dollars which will result in layoffs which are going to hurt the 99% that these people claim to represent
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They have no choice but to protest nog. The system isn't going to change any other way
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RΞ〽IΠGTФΠ🇺🇸 wrote:
I understand about not breaking laws, but it's getting to the point of either lay down and take it... Or... Or...
This. 👆
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Yes, I'm sure the liberal media blogs you are reading are mentioning how the protesters are spreading sunshine and wildflowers. And I'm sure they will leave the park spotless and they will also come back in spring and replace the lawns they are ripping out by living in the park. B, I have no idea what alternate reality your bong has you in today but it must be a blast. These protests have been shut down in other cities because they were causing health hazards. City parks are not a campground, they do not have the sanitary facilities to accommodate this type of stuff. As for the violations of the law, did you also miss that many people (read ex-cons) are living in these cute little tent cities because the drugs are easier to get with the plethora (that means there are lots of them B) of dealers setting up shop in the areas. Peaceful protests don't involve shuttling of illegal substances and public disorder (blocking roads, bonfires, shutting down public parks to families that enjoy them).
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It's the only way to change the system viper. As for the duties that have evicted the protestors once again that's unconstitutional. You have the right to protest. Whether you agree with what they are doing or not you should be for people exercising their constitutional right
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Come on B. Here's your opportunity to save the country. You are basically protesting here and someone above gave you an opportunity to say what you'd do when you just throw it all away and start over. Here's your chance. You have the stage. Try not making it about just you. There are roughly 1/2 billion people you will be taking care of with your new plan. I can hardly wait
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The right to protest is legal as long as it does not interfere with the civil rights of the non-protesters. By taking over public areas and making them "unsafe", either by physical safety or by making them a hazardous environment, they have broached their right of public assembly and it becomes illegal. Their rights are no more important than that of the family out for a Sunday walk in the park. That family pays for the upkeep of the park and surrounding facilities the same as the protestors. There is a right and wrong way to protest, and they have crossed the line in almost every city they have been in, even the most liberal mayors are evicting them because of the manner in which they are acting and the amount of public property being destroyed or damaged. As for it being the only way to change the system, wrong. Elect the people that bring solutions not just promises to give you something.
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👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
There are laws. Cut and dry. You cannot shut down a highway and you cannot disturb the peace. It's not right for a family that lives next to a park to have to hear them all night.It's the only way to change the system viper. As for the duties that have evicted the protestors once again that's unconstitutional. You have the right to protest. Whether you agree with what they are doing or not you should be for people exercising their constitutional right
You don't have the right to live in a park.
Also, a right is to bare arms, but that can be denied too. Do you think everyone should just run around with illegal guns with no order? Just because it's a right...? Or ignore the fact that you have to get a permit for gun?
B, have you gone down and protested? -
Then name a "legal" way they can protest for that length of time? They're doing it the only way it can be done
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👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
Get a permit and go to the protest site when permitted. They are doing it the illegal and lazy way. Union workers protest all the time within the law. They do it properly, take a page from their book.Then name a "legal" way they can protest for that length of time? They're doing it the only way it can be done
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👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
No correlation....lol. The arrests have happened inside the camp and all four ODs have been inside the camp. If you can't find a correlation between that and the people in the occupy Portland encampment then I suggest you pull your head outNoghri_ViR wrote:
Looking it up there is no correlation between increased crime and these peaceful protestsYou non portlanders talking about this are quite funny. Nobody has mentioned the increased crime, 4 overdoses in the past week, distinction of public property, two rapes and a rash of thefts. Never mind the police and city worker overtime which has cost the city over a half million dollars which will result in layoffs which are going to hurt the 99% that these people claim to represent
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Don't live in the damn park, simple concept. Why should they be given cart blanche to trample anyone elses rights? Maybe instead of protesting, do more research into who and what you are voting for instead of listening to the 30 second TV commercial about what give-aways the person will institute on your behalf without any plan on how to pay for them. Protesting for a length of time actually is counter productive, you just become a constant background noise that can more easily be ignored. By making things inconvenient for others they are killing the little public support they had going in to this situation. Like it or not, they are going down the tubes because they are ABUSING their rights, they aren't exercising them.
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Noghri_ViR wrote:
4 ods is not even worth mentioning👿߀ŁîÅŁ wrote:
No correlation....lol. The arrests have happened inside the camp and all four ODs have been inside the camp. If you can't find a correlation between that and the people in the occupy Portland encampment then I suggest you pull your head outNoghri_ViR wrote:
Looking it up there is no correlation between increased crime and these peaceful protestsYou non portlanders talking about this are quite funny. Nobody has mentioned the increased crime, 4 overdoses in the past week, distinction of public property, two rapes and a rash of thefts. Never mind the police and city worker overtime which has cost the city over a half million dollars which will result in layoffs which are going to hurt the 99% that these people claim to represent
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"there are no laws being broken here, as long as you overlook the sexual assault and illegal drugs".
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B, the fact that you just said that shows you are even more ignorant than I initially thought. I am absolutely awestruck right now, kudos for your absolute neglect of facts and reality.
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Noooo. Not the tear gas. Run portlanders
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