So ashamed of my country
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Baked where did you get that they are uneducated?
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We are in the best country. Problem. Are everywhere.
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We should have guns.
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VADAN wrote:
There was a time in the UK where you were an armed society... Did you have these riots like you have now?Don✯Page wrote:
Rubbish. Not every gun owner in America is a responsible user. The crimes u see with gangs in America would end up being the entire uk in comparison.ßELIAL wrote:
An armed society is a polite societyAt vadan. Gun crime is over stated. Take Texas they gave very little crim there because everyone is packing. A riot wouldn't last 10 minutes in that state
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Don you're talking about many, many decades ago. You can't use that in a discussion. Yes, if laws on possession had not been passed back then UK would be no different to USA. But the fact stands, UK has the lowest firearm crime rate in the world, for a reason.
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Also USA has had a whole bunch of university block party riots, a bunch of mardi GRAS riots and the Toledo riots in 21st century alone. Never mind the looting that happened in new Orleans after the hurricane thingymagiddy so what a load of bollocks that you dont gave riots and looting.
Shooting someone because they stole a tv from pc world isn't a logical thing in this country.Not knocking the yanks if that works for you guys, but over here it never has or will.
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Omg I'm on vadans side nooooooooooooooooooooo!!! I take it back Gatling guns for the grannies I say :p
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BRITFURYS WIFE wrote:
Nor is it socially responsible for civilians to go vigilante and enforce law. The justice system may be flawed but it still works in situations like this. We don't need to arm the 10 yr old kids looting right now with semi-automatic weapons.Also USA has had a whole bunch of university block party riots, a bunch of mardi GRAS riots and the Toledo riots in 21st century alone. Never mind the looting that happened in new Orleans after the hurricane thingymagiddy so what a load of bollocks that you dont gave riots and looting.
Shooting someone because they stole a tv from pc world isn't a logical thing in this country.Not knocking the yanks if that works for you guys, but over here it never has or will.
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As Britfury's wife states guns have not prevented riots here. I think you could go into a Macdonalds in London if they have them and not worry about someone coming in and killing a bunch of people. Whereas not quite so here. It doesn't happen all the time but it happens enough.u
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I guess we just have a different attitude. In Texas we would rather take responsibility for protecting our own. We would stand toe to toe with any thugs on a riot... Yes there would be blood!
That's what the police are for- to come along the next day and write up their little reports -
DuttyMonkey wrote:
Im american because i'm born here and stuck here...ßELIAL wrote:
Yeah that's right adding guns to the situation would have solved it!!! Let me guess your American 1. Cos ur in favour of guns 2. Cos ur as thick as pig shitWouldn't have happened that way if you guys allowed guns.
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guns dont kill people, people do, and trust me half the UK be in graves if guns were legal, what can I say, us brits do like a fight, theirs already been shooting during these riots one death from a bullet into the eye so far, now imagine if everyone else was armed and not just that one person, no sorry, I have no problems with americans, hell aslong as im not wronged personally or theirs no immediate threat then I have no problems with anyone, BUT their are things that just dont suit us as a country and guns are one of them, BUT i do wish the police were alittle more heavy handed like the american police and bring in water cannons and tasers.
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We think they way it would play out is when the riot starts... Bullets fly and rooters run away since they found a hard target
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Anyway.. Love you daft Brits... Best of luck
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DuttyMonkey wrote:
Methinks I sense an elitist... How pathetic.BlindLuck wrote:
Yeah right thanks for that..... Also American and also as thick as pigs shit!DuttyMonkey wrote:
That was a pretty daft statement, but insulting every American for one stupid statement is retarded as fuck. I can tell you're British 1.cause ur a pansy ass Faggot who isn't in favor of guns. 2. Because you're fucking stupid. Cwatididthar?ßELIAL wrote:
Yeah that's right adding guns to the situation would have solved it!!! Let me guess your American 1. Cos ur in favour of guns 2. Cos ur as thick as pig shitWouldn't have happened that way if you guys allowed guns.
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Looking good for 2012 olympics!
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__Don_Line__ wrote:
ßELIAL wrote:
See, belial, the police in UK already are allowed guns. It's the civilians that aren't allowed guns. Giving guns to civilians would be good for people protecting their homes, but it would add more blood. If you stay inside, don't look out the window, leave the lights on, you should be fine. No need for guns.Wouldn't have happened that way if you guys allowed guns.
No guns do you advocate communist or Facist RULE screw that
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This is funny. How many of u are in the NRA?
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I think he was calling beliel thick as pig shit on a individual vibe, not every American, and am not justifying, but with that attitude , 2 wrongs make a right? And trust me ain't many pansys from where im from my friend!!! If u hadnt noticed this country uk, is full ppl that glorify gang life, easy money and self gratification!! Not that it right! But this is the prob these riots have turned into race riots or so called, when will people get over where we apparently stress our journey(life) 1 world....1 life....1 love....and 1 solution.....and that is love! Until we learn to love ourselfs and each other And such then the world and everythin in it will be off balance, we are all connected.....co existence is a basic rule of nature....yet we seem to think it only happens with few species ....look at the big pic, it goes beyond blame.....if ur house was on fire Are u gona stan n start blaming or go and put it out?? Our earth is on fire.....what u gonna do!!!!!!
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typical that we focus on blame and he said this he said that, further segregating people, when right now look accross the world, it's not a joke we need to seriously strengthen our communities and change our views, draw a line, if everyone condemned anyone and everyone for negative behavior, anything thy goes against LIFE in its true essence, should be outcast from the communities...or scorned in other ways as u would make a child realise, but it will take all of us every nation working together,we TOGTHER can change our reality, most people see shit happening and scared to help so walk past ,Uh huh we all have to take responsibility for our future no matter who fault got like this, thing is it is like this and it will get worse if we don't change. And those that ain't been affected, u will so eventually it will be at everyones door, no just riots but the worst of human nature!! I hate to see people suffer as by definition we are happy loving souls !!!!
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Thing is it not all just hood rats doing this, they have arrested a soldie on leave, graphic designer, a guy going in fire brigade.....lots more jobs that stereo typically would not fit with the image the media portraying, yes the big % is young kids from deprived area...White black brown purple!! Yet media try portray it to be one race...
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It's a disgrace...these kids have no respect, we were naughty butsetting fires in peoples homes!! I understand the looting,dnt condone but understand! This smashin everything and setting fires? I web understand attacking old bill, dnt condone it.....mugging their own people! They don't care bout community and making stand against old bill government! They are dragging the guy who was murdered by police name through the dirt...taking away from the real situation. Police dint control well,other area heard ppl getting free £3000 computers and was jealous, random spontaneous madness! Where were police? If happened in Mayfair or Chelsea would let it go as far? Doubt it
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Yeah sorry bout that Beliel, that was a little bit strong yesterday, I was just pissed off
But saying that, adding guns to a situation like we have in this country would just be mass suicide. In the states people have some form of respect for others, ok your getting robbed but least he called u sir, over here RESPECT is out the window, kids over here would rather stick u with one than rather look at you. Kids having kids, no moral guidance, no distinction of what is right and wrong, a "hip hop" culture where if "ur not with me, ur against me" it's a fucking epidemic here, it's frightening -
Don✯Page wrote:
Tell that to the kids of columbine....ßELIAL wrote:
An armed society is a polite societyAt vadan. Gun crime is over stated. Take Texas they gave very little crim there because everyone is packing. A riot wouldn't last 10 minutes in that state
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Bring on the water canons. And smash the scum bags, should fight fire with fire and get the rubber bullets out. If the pricks want war we should give it to them.
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Burn everything, why are the kids allowed to run riot on the steets? How come people who have worked hard all there whole life are left to the mercy of a mob, where were the police? There looking after the banks, I see them stood like punks defending the people who caused the mess. And lets be honest if the money was spent on education, healthcare and makeing those places fit for humans to live there wouldnt be a problem,
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our money weve earnt is being is spent on bailing out these idiots who sell it back to us with dodgy mortgages or overpriced goods, fuel and bombs for other countries. The government don't give a fuck about anybody but the money people and kids that ain't us. The looters fucked up, done ruined it for those of us that are sick of supporting a system desighned to keep the majority down, it's not paranoia it's fact, but seeing as it's started I say let's go on, start burning banks, police stations, big corporation buildings the shitty housing they expect us to live in that stink of piss and decay, once that's done start on the government, they work for us remember, they should fear us.
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Paranoidcitizen, you must be young given you're condoning the riots to carry on. The fact stands that even if provisions and opportunities are created for the majory of these youth looters they would have no idea what to do with the opportunity. These riots are in no way political, so you need to get off that bandwagon. There is a problem though, and it starts with discipline at home. I was born and brought up in Brixton, lived there 12 years. You don't see me looting and destroying hard working citizens' businesses. The very "deprived" community you are talking about is exactly what they have destroyed. London has changed a lot in the past 10 years and is constantly changing for the better, change takes time and it'junky just up to the government, we as a community and from a social aspect need to take responsibility too.
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This is nothing but an act of mindless terror that will cost the country 100s of millions pounds. All these businesses that have been destroyed, have you considered the implications? Higher council tax rates, higher business insurance, damaged reputations. Don be so pathetic and encourage more rioting, take some damn responsibility.
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Vadan you misunderstand me, I clearly said the looting has spoiled any chance of getting a political agenda or msg across, It needs to be directed at the powers that be, the fact that the people can bring back a governent that is on holiday is important, hopefully it will make them think about the way were treated, you can go on towing the press line, but my point is that the police were too busy protecting the money not the people as we pay them to do as for the implications, well I see a chance to rebuild an otherwise run down area, money going back into the community's that deserve it, better police training, more police long term, more awareness of the state of inner city's and there abandoned children, to me that don't sound all bad, sure people lost lively hoods, it's a sad but a fact but Change dosnt come cheap.
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