A thread for intellegent debate not trolling (Meaning of life)
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Mr. Ikslopot wrote: Nice. Would you consider yourself a nihilist or materialist?
No.I am a collection organisms that exist in this form because they were the most successful in duplicating themselves.
Why should I label my belief in this fact? You are asking me to name my religion, when in fact, religion is a construct of mental masterbation.
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Mr. Ikslopot wrote:
I do not agree. To have purpose, there must be a decision. What is the purpose of a pencil? It is created for the purpose of writing. For what purpose is water wet? It just is. What is the meaning of wet water? It's nonsense."I believe there is no meaning or purpose to life. Purpose denotes intelligent creation. Meaning is nothing but the assignment of significance where there is none."
Well, the epistemology that came out of this was interesting. To say purpose derives or is evidence of god is arbitrary. It seams to me you could insert anything at the end of that sentence and it would have similar impact. If one looks at evolution as a process it does become apparent that successful mutations indeed do have significant meaning. In fact, the survival of the species may indeed rely on the subtle accident.
I have to catch some Z's. Insomnia. 😒
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Not really, why is it nonsense? Is it nonsense for the universe to exist? It seems to me that stating that meaning and perpose is pointless is a state of mind, and though your entitled to your opinionm, ignoring the part of the universe that is the human mind is closing your eyes to something that could help you find the truth.
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Hedonism
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Brown Note 😻🌺🌈 wrote:
Mr. Ikslopot wrote: Nice. Would you consider yourself a nihilist or materialist?
No.I am a collection organisms that exist in this form because they were the most successful in duplicating themselves.
Why should I label my belief in this fact? You are asking me to name my religion, when in fact, religion is a construct of mental masterbation.
Watching fightclub were we?
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The Rhino wrote:
The search for truth has been the scam of professional philosophers since the dawn of mice. The truth is simple. You just have to stop guessing what it might be, and just look at what it is. It is the cloud of ignorance that makes it mystical, or supernatural. We have the answer.Not really, why is it nonsense? Is it nonsense for the universe to exist? It seems to me that stating that meaning and perpose is pointless is a state of mind, and though your entitled to your opinionm, ignoring the part of the universe that is the human mind is closing your eyes to something that could help you find the truth.
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I believe the meaning of life is much bigger then human existence, I believe the universe's creation/destruction(if theories are correct) is part of some huge cycle like the weather cycle, but on a massive scale... Who knows tho
Would be cool if the meaning of life was just life tho, would make it alot easier to enjoy.
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Brown Note 😻🌺🌈 wrote:
The truth is definitely not simple. Unraveling it since 'the beginning of time' or human history has been the education of our species.The Rhino wrote:
The search for truth has been the scam of professional philosophers since the dawn of mice. The truth is simple. You just have to stop guessing what it might be, and just look at what it is. It is the cloud of ignorance that makes it mystical, or supernatural. We have the answer.Not really, why is it nonsense? Is it nonsense for the universe to exist? It seems to me that stating that meaning and perpose is pointless is a state of mind, and though your entitled to your opinionm, ignoring the part of the universe that is the human mind is closing your eyes to something that could help you find the truth.
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To brownnote
Why con they gain 0. Infact many lost their lives. Exclaiming that the answer is as simple as you make it out is a cop out. You refuse to think therefore the answer is nothing. this is only one possibility, the easiest one to come by, however the truth does not care about the complexity of it's nature, it simply is what it is. those who are honest can see the answers are not available, hence it's standing in philosophy not science.
However, there is still a chance your view is right, in which case, the irony of human struggle would be the blackest comedy moment of all time.
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saelo2myltlfren wrote:
But, 42 explains nothing, we must find the ultimate questionguitarman wrote:
agreed42.
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It's simple. Science knows the answer. It has been observed. Why take a simple and elegant explanation and muck it up with self-centered, shallow scope metaphysical gobbledygook salad bar of made up fantasy nonsense?
Tradition?
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Brown Note 😻🌺🌈 wrote:
It's simple. Science knows the answer. It has been observed. Why take a simple and elegant explanation and muck it up with self-centered, shallow scope metaphysical gobbledygook salad bar of made up fantasy nonsense?
Tradition?
Science doesn't have any answer to the meaning of life. Science doesn't even have an opinion.
Common misconception
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The Rhino wrote:
Science doesn't know the meaning of life, or about the FSM, because those are made-up things that have nothing to do with reality.Brown Note 😻🌺🌈 wrote:
It's simple. Science knows the answer. It has been observed. Why take a simple and elegant explanation and muck it up with self-centered, shallow scope metaphysical gobbledygook salad bar of made up fantasy nonsense?
Tradition?
Science doesn't have any answer to the meaning of life. Science doesn't even have an opinion.
Common misconception
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FSM is a poorly thought out over used argument and here I would argue not even used in the right context.
FSM is a human creation consiously intended as a fabrication.
Discovering if Life has meaning is a natural human desire, if fabricated it is accidental. It is a serious philosophical question the likes of which arguably all scientific knowlege has arisen. After all one cannot have answers without asking questions.
Just because science does not recognise abstract thought it does not mean that it does not exist in science.
200 years ago atomic theory was philosophy now it is science.
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I find it interesting that you think I'm dodging the issue.
You simply cannot accept that I believe we are a chemical construction without meaning or purpose? That seems very odd to me. I think you are trying to protect the time and effort you have put into chasing religious concepts and their significance.
To me it is very clear. There is no evidence of a spiritual connection between ourselves, nature, or any as-yet formulated god figure. We are no more significant than a bacterium, and no more significant than a fleeting wisp of gas in space.
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I should not that the second science in the last paragraph refers to science itself, the other uses refer to our current or previous understanding of science
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Where have I said I cannot accept that you believe it? I do.
What I have tried to show you is that this is a belief. Where you previously described it as science.I have no problem in your belifes on this subject, just your misconception of their infallibility
I have not given my belief in spirituality or religion. For someone who did not want a label themselves you are quick to deal them out to others.
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Huh. So you know that I am in error?
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Brown Note 😻🌺🌈 wrote:
Huh. So you know that I am in error?
Absolute knowledge is hard to come by. That's my point
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Science is a formalized method to answer questions. Science has been heavily applied to life, the universe, and everything. (yuk yuk). Science has provided a solid answer to the process and origins of life, and very little mental work in necessary at this point to smooth over the holes with something other than spirituality.
Science has been used to link spirituality to a biological process, providing evidence that it's all "in our heads".
So, the specific question of the meaning and purpose of life has a very reasonable and disciplined answer provided by the application of science. To continue to support the idea of spirituality or metaphysical mysticism would require us to cast science aside as wrong fundamentally. I will not do that.
It's like saying I'm a know-it-all for suggesting the world isn't flat.
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Does no one here believe that one day we will have eternal life & paradise here on earth...maybe not we but, I do believe that will b the final outcome for this life we live!!
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Modern science knows very little about the processes of the mind. Linking a part of the brain to spirituality doesn't do anything to disprove it's existance. I believed that spirituality was linked to a biological process before studies showed this. I can link a part of the brain to walking, but I'm sure you will agree that's not in my head.
You can obey science and have a sense of spirituality because the two do not oppose each other. I can swim as well as do maths.
Science does not negate the abstract Notions of our minds. Infact phychology is the science of the mind.
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Walking precisely is in your head. If you were a stegosaurus, it would be in your ass.
So it sounds like you are saying that just because drug induced hallucinations are created by the brain, doesn't mean that the effects are not actually happening around the animal? Even though nobody else observes the effects, because it can't be disproven, it might be true?
It doesn't take more than common sense to take what science gives us and conclude that we are all disconnected from everything beyond our own skin.
This universe was here billions of years before we got here, and will be here billions of years after every trace of us is gone. There is no meaning, no point, no connection, no purpose that wasn't made up by humans through mental hallucination, ignorance or deception. None of it is based on observance, evidence, or reality.
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SloBThaKnoB wrote:
Eternal life on earth is impossible, our sun will consume the earth at some point.Does no one here believe that one day we will have eternal life & paradise here on earth...maybe not we but, I do believe that will b the final outcome for this life we live!!
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SloBThaKnoB wrote:
You've got a few million Jehovah's Witnesses that agree with you. Charles Tase Russell invented that idea in the late 1800s, and modified it whenever it was expedient to do so. It's clear that the entire organization is a scam, like many of the Christian-based offshoots that sprang up in America in that time. I'm not saying the followers are in on the scam, but there is more than ample evidence that the organization is designed to amass power and control over people through carefully designed manipulation.Does no one here believe that one day we will have eternal life & paradise here on earth...maybe not we but, I do believe that will b the final outcome for this life we live!!
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Kozy wrote:
Just because we have a mathematical model of the life of a star that coincides with our observations of billions of other stars at every stage of progression, doesn't mean that our sun will not miraculously burn forever. You can't prove that our sun isn't somehow different, and therefore, science doesn't go against completely fictional made-up stuff.SloBThaKnoB wrote:
Eternal life on earth is impossible, our sun will consume the earth at some point.Does no one here believe that one day we will have eternal life & paradise here on earth...maybe not we but, I do believe that will b the final outcome for this life we live!!
Seriously, good point. But a Jehovah's Witness will tell you that God will not allow our sun to burn out, and the Earth will be perfectly inhabitable forever, and humans are intended to, and will eventually live forever. -
Kozy wrote:
Eternal life on earth is impossible, our sun will consume the earth at some point.Everyone says this, but were is the proof to support this theory???
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Brown Note 😻🌺🌈 wrote:
Walking precisely is in your head. If you were a stegosaurus, it would be in your ass.
So it sounds like you are saying that just because drug induced hallucinations are created by the brain, doesn't mean that the effects are not actually happening around the animal? Even though nobody else observes the effects, because it can't be disproven, it might be true?
It doesn't take more than common sense to take what science gives us and conclude that we are all disconnected from everything beyond our own skin.
This universe was here billions of years before we got here, and will be here billions of on, no purpose that wasn't made up by humans through mental hallucination, ignorance or deception. None of it is based on observance, evidence, or reality.
If the mind creates delusions. How are you so sure who it is that's deluded?
I see conections all the time, love, respect, empathy. You need to open your eyes
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But I feel I need to reiterate I am not trying to prove you wrong. Simply, the dubject is not as simple as you insist it is.
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The Rhino wrote:
Why not? Why not believe the most logical, simple answer? Why not see love, respect and empathy as what science reaveals them to be?But I feel I need to reiterate I am not trying to prove you wrong. Simply, the dubject is not as simple as you insist it is.
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