A thread for intellegent debate not trolling (Meaning of life)
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slugboy wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Collective intelligence is derived from the mind, not from beyond. As such isn't an alternative answer to external meaning. Tho I can see how the word externalised can be misleading. 'Externaly created beyond the mind', would have been clearer if rather a mouthful lolslugboy wrote:
I was simply asking whether we were meant to assume a singular meaning to the universe. Or multiple meanings to parts within it.
Either doesn't sit well with me, as externalised meaning would basically be 'god' wouldn't it?, a concept I personally find ridiculous.
Possibility of collective intellegence would be an example not involving God
To an individual mind a collective intellect to which it is a part is partially (mostly) external to itself.
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It is still derived from the mind. As opposed to having a separate existence that had nothing to do with a human. A crucial difference.
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slugboy wrote:
It is still derived from the mind. As opposed to having a separate existence that had nothing to do with a human. A crucial difference.
Many religions proper that God is everything. A sum of all parts. Wasnt this the original problem you had? I don't see why it matters at all
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Propose^
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You don't see why the differentiation between an externally imposed meaning or internally formed meaning matters?
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slugboy wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out what you are saying.You don't see why the differentiation between an externally imposed meaning or internally formed meaning matters?
It is hard to know what meaning is for creatures other than humanity. It requires research, patience, observation and studies. Jane Goodall has spent many years studying just these things. Is this what you are speaking of? Would it qualify? I wish you would set out clear explanations.
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slugboy wrote:
You don't see why the differentiation between an externally imposed meaning or internally formed meaning matters?
If a mind is needed to create meaning, wether that be a human or God no. All that matters is the importance that you put on the being who gives you meaning, and what importance you have to it.
What I think is more important is how subjective the meaning is, for example does it matter to one person? 2? All mankind? All life? Or the whole universe?
This is a much better question
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Why it matters is a question of free will.
If the meaning of life is externally imposed. By nature, a beard in the sky or whatever. Then regardless of what people think of the meaning or the personal importance one might place on it, That is it.
An example from earlier in the thread,
If the meaning of life is to breed, and a person chooses not to, or finds themselves biologically incapable. Then regardless of whatever great deeds or good they do in the world, their life would be inherently meaningless.
However, if lifes meaning is internally composed and decided upon, that very same persons life becomes filled with meaning.
externally imposed meaning of life can be shown through example, to make some peoples lives meaningless through lack of free will. However lifes meaning, if decided upon by the person, has the inherent free will to make their own path. Decide their own worth and goals to achieve it.
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slugboy wrote:
Are you saying that an externalized meaning is like an absolute standard or bar against which all of the universe can measure itself to discover if it has meaning or not?An example from earlier in the thread,
If the meaning of life is to breed, and a person chooses not to, or finds themselves biologically incapable. Then regardless of whatever great deeds or good they do in the world, their life would be inherently meaningless.
However, if lifes meaning is internally composed and decided upon, that very same persons life becomes filled with meaning.
externally imposed meaning of life can be shown through example, to make some peoples lives meaningless through lack of free will. However lifes meaning, if decided upon by the person, has the inherent free will to make their own path. Decide their own worth and goals to achieve it.
This is why it matters -
@ slugboy
Thank you. I'll respond later. The enlightenment has a lot to say about this. Also, free will is a subject on it's own. Let us stay with the original question.I think that it is becoming laborious to argue over wether the question regarding life's meaning can be asked though. I would be interested in reading statements that say what the meaning of life is to an individual. I think that is very interesting.
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Mr. Ikslopot wrote:
I had stuck to the original question 'debate, meaning of life'.@ slugboy Thank you. I'll respond later. The enlightenment has a lot to say about this. Also, free will is a subject on it's own. Let us stay with the original question.
I think that it is becoming laborious to argue over wether the question regarding life's meaning can be asked though. I would be interested in reading statements that say what the meaning of life is to an individual. I think that is very interesting.
I wasn't discussing free will any further than it was seemingly necessary, to explain why there is a difference between self chosen and exterior absolute meaning of life.
Also I wasn't questioning whether the question could be asked, but clarifying what question was being asked. -
@ bee Ryan
Yes. I would assume If there is a 'meaning of life' then it would be a yardstick. Unless it's something rather tautological like , the meaning of life is to live..... -
Stop smoking that chronic😹
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Killerchef🔨🔥💀 wrote:
I think shrooms would be more appropriate for this topic.Stop smoking that chronic😹
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Buncha hippie love-in assholes with delusions of grandeur.
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slugboy wrote:
Which brings me to the question of what is the mind? Where does conscious and original thought come from?It is still derived from the mind. As opposed to having a separate existence that had nothing to do with a human. A crucial difference.
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That's probably a question for a new thread. Tho I have read on the subject and frequently chat about it with a friend who is a neuroscientist.
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slugboy wrote:
Why it matters is a question of free will.
If the meaning of life is externally imposed. By nature, a beard in the sky or whatever. Then regardless of what people think of the meaning or the personal importance one might place on it, That is it.
An example from earlier in the thread,
If the meaning of life is to breed, and a person chooses not to, or finds themselves biologically incapable. Then regardless of whatever great deeds or good they do in the world, their life would g.
externally imposed meaning of ake some peoples lives meaningless through lack of free will. However lifes meaning, if decided upon by the person, has the inherent free will to make their own path. Decide their own worth and goals to achieve it.
This is why it mattersThat's not external or internal it's objective or subjective. If god is a sum of all parts objective meaning is still possible, but by your definition is still internal
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Only if there is a god and only if that god is the sum of all parts and only then if the all encompassing god enforces it's idea of the meaning of life through those parts that happen to compose your mind. Which given that the major one I'm aware of (not having an in-depth knowledge of the religious ins and outs of most of the worlds religions) specifically states that man has free will. Thusly in this case it's dictate as to the meaning of life under it's creation is held outside the human mind. Unlike the supposed knowledge of right and wrong, stated as given to us, no such statement is made as to knowledge of lifes meaning (that I'm aware of). Basically if god was part of everything, its not necassarily true that every part of the god is in everything.
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I fear we may be boring others lol,
Anyway, personally I don't think there is a definitive singular meaning of life. Which I think is the kind of statement mr ikslopot was more hoping for, rather than the more in-depth discussion it morphed into. -
slugboy wrote:
I fear we may be boring others lol,
Anyway, personally I don't think there is a definitive singular meaning of life. Which I think is the kind of statement mr ikslopot was more hoping for, rather than the more in-depth discussion it morphed into.I think that meaning is different from different viewpoints. As we are individuals though even if there is an objective meaning we don't know what that is!
I'm interested to know peoples personal goals/meaning they attribute to their own life, and if they belive in objective meaning what they think this is.
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Produce more energy? Isn't that against the laws of physics?, or was that written wrong
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Hang on... Shaitan, möbius continuum, the source.
Brian lumley fan? -
Car at top of hill had to be put there, so the potential energy is just that of the petrol or muscle power used to move it up the hill. From then on, it's just converting energy from one form to another. No creation.
Human reproductive cells were built by the body at great resource expense and energy use. Friction during sex has nothing to do with anything, an unconscious man can have sperm taken directly from the testies and used to impregnate the female for example. And where did the energy to fuel sex come from. Food. No creation, just energy being turned from one form to another.
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