Inclusion of all genders
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
well i have no problems with my identity, i'm secure and confident in who i am and yes.... of course i'm better than them.★ZΞЯO COOL★ wrote:
They care enough to put it on the name tag, therefore I care enough to learn and respect their preferred pronouns. I’m sure you just think you’re better than them so…‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
There is only 1 part of identy that maters on the name tag… the name. Who gives a fuck what you identify as????〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Pronouns are an important part of identity, they should be allowed on name tags. The problem is people like the crew in this thread use it as a weapon against them, so it’s tough to put them out in public. Until the anti-pronoun mindset dies out it will be awhile before they become more normalized imo. -
℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I am part of that group. I have studied multiple religions. I did so in my teens, at that private school and multiple church camps and mission trip type events. i fully admit not being able to remember most of the things that I studied and would def fail any test. at some point i lost faith completely(i felt that way) and thought all religions were garbage.I wonder the % of people who say “I’ve studied multiple religions” online would pass a basic test on religions. I’m going to guess under 1%.
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Its not that your a bad Christian. You aren't a Christian at all. ***even sure what you were asking me regarding my morals, could you rephrase?
- this is what i believe most likely to be trueIf your standing on Scripture are in complete opposition with what Scripture teaches then its fair to say you arent in obedience to faith. - another good one.
Uniformity of nature and the Law of non-contradiction can show us that you are either thee things; ignorant, delusional or lying about the Christian worldview. God has revealed these things yet you openly reject them.Since your claiming to be a christian, my question will change-
Has God revealed things so that we can know for certain how we ought to live?
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
why try to force all these difference on everyone? people of different beliefs, different morals, different family values even different laws. people would be more comfortable and happier around their own people. things they understand and where they are understood. i think a simple separation could solve alot of issues.You feel strongly and rightly so. Others feel strongly as well and understand that tolerance is much different than acceptance. For many the concept of acceptance is much different than tolerance. I would not expect a Muslim to accept the deeply held beliefs of a Christian and vice versa. I would expect them to each tolerate eachother’s rights to have deeply held convictions. I have long hair and a ponytail, I have been called ma’am and sir by strangers who did not know me. I take it as a them speaking in a polite manner and not as an affront to my being.
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Oh yea, definitely not offended. Nope totally believe you bro. 😂℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
I’m not offended, you’re just acting like a pseudo intellectual for some reason. “Guh huh, I bet I’m smarter than everyone here” is what your comment reads like. I’d be happy to be wrong again, but y’all kinda alarm me at how much a simple name tag bothers you to the point that I’m being called not a Christian.‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
You’re not the only one on the internet my easily offended friend. Stop taking everything so personally.℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
Considering I’veI wonder the % of people who say “I’ve studied multiple religions” online would pass a basic test on religions. I’m going to guess under 1%.
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Congratulations, you are secure in your life position, that’s awesome. I never know what’s going on in someone else’s head, I will always choose kindness because that’s what I believe in. I will be an ally to all people, especially the ones that are belittled and discriminated against.You feel strongly and rightly so. Others feel strongly as well and understand that tolerance is much different than acceptance. For many the concept of acceptance is much different than tolerance. I would not expect a Muslim to accept the deeply held beliefs of a Christian and vice versa. I would expect them to each tolerate eachother’s rights to have deeply held convictions. I have long hair and a ponytail, I have been called ma’am and sir by strangers who did not know me. I take it as a them speaking in a polite manner and not as an affront to my being.
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Viking you came on here offended about a name tag, I think you’re the one we need to worry about here. Point to me where the pronouns hurt you, whereas I know they benefit many people, especially those with trouble expressing gender identities
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Not offended at all. Ya see, I typed a paragraph. I asked what other shit should be on name tags.Viking you came on here offended about a name tag, I think you’re the one we need to worry about here. Point to me where the pronouns hurt you, whereas I know they benefit many people, especially those with trouble expressing gender identities
You wrote 8 fucking pages of ridiculousness because you just can’t fathom that people have a different opinion than you. Even now you can’t stop answering.
That’s after you called me a snowflake for asking why it was necessary. Even after I wrote a non offensive post using the correct pronouns and said I actually don’t have a problem with adult trans people.
But sure. I’m the one with the issue. Not the person who has been arguing with Zero and Aug for 5 days for no reason 🤷🏻♂️.
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Pronouns obviously hurt the person with the name tag or they would not have to make special request.
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
“Trouble” expressing… yes im better than them. I have no such troubles or needs. Im not broken.Viking you came on here offended about a name tag, I think you’re the one we need to worry about here. Point to me where the pronouns hurt you, whereas I know they benefit many people, especially those with trouble expressing gender identities
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
★ΛUG★ wrote:
Says whom? Your viewpoint(s) are part of the reason trans and non-binary conforming individuals commit suicide at a higher rate. I’d say that pretty damn harmful.‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Its a rules for thee but not for me word game.〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
You’ve heard of the paradox of tolerance? .How do you define acceptance?
Is it live and let live or is it support and encourage
Are certain values and beliefs “worthy”
If you want to play the accusation blame game, how about it is people like YOU that enable mentally unstable and delusional folks to harm themselves. Perhaps it isnt helping telling them they can be something they never genetically can become. That freaking sick if you ask me.
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Except for those who hold a biblical worldview that disagrees with your subjective opinion.〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Congratulations, you are secure in your life position, that’s awesome. I never know what’s going on in someone else’s head, I will always choose kindness because that’s what I believe in. I will be an ally to all people, especially the ones that are belittled and discriminated against.You feel strongly and rightly so. Others feel strongly as well and understand that tolerance is much different than acceptance. For many the concept of acceptance is much different than tolerance. I would not expect a Muslim to accept the deeply held beliefs of a Christian and vice versa. I would expect them
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★ΛUG★ wrote:
‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Except for those who hold a biblical worldview that disagrees with your subjective opinion.〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Congratulations, you are secure in your life position, that’s awesome. I never know what’s going on in someone else’s head, I will always choose kindness because that’s what I believe in. I will be an ally to all people, especially the ones that are belittled and discriminated against.I am retarded because I am discussing religion
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★ΛUG★ wrote:
Amen brother.‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
★ΛUG★ wrote:
Says whom? Your viewpoint(s) are part of the reason trans and non-binary conforming individuals commit suicide at a higher rate. I’d say that pretty damn harmful.‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Its a rules for thee but not for me word game.〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
.Is it live and let live or is it support and encourage
Are certain values and beliefs “worthy”
If you want to play the accusation blame game, how about it is people like YOU that enable mentally unstable and delusional folks to harm themselves. Perhaps it isnt helping telling them they can be something they never genetically can become. That freaking sick if you ask me.
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Max is promoted to store manager for the Lego store. A new employee, Jerome, starts and is assigned to Max. Jerome is a practicing XYG member of the Curch of ZRD. Jerome discloses he also observes the sabbath and cannot work from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. This was disclosed prior to being hired. Max informs me corrects Jerome on the use of Max’s preferred pronouns. Jerome relays he will not use those preferred pronouns as it is against his beliefs. Max gives Jerome a bad training review on his “attitude” and teamwork. Max also has 2 on vacation and 2 on Covid leave so Jerome is Scheduled to work Saturday morning. Jerome tells Max he cannot work Saturday and will not work Saturday. Max reminds him to use the correct pronouns when speaking of Max or to Max. Both file complaints of hostile work environment and retaliation to HR. Take a guess as to who is legally in the right and on which issues.
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★ZΞЯO COOL★ wrote:
I don’t deal with supremacists, end of story. You have no room to learn, discuss, or grow as has been made very obvious.‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
“Trouble” expressing… yes im better than them. I have no such troubles or needs. Im not broken.Viking you came on here offended about a name tag, I think you’re the one we need to worry about here. Point to me where the pronouns hurt you, whereas I know they benefit many people, especially those with trouble expressing gender identities
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Viking big guy I’m having a discussion about pronouns, and yet here I am being called not a Christian and being told that some of y’all are supremacists. I’m not offended, I’m having a dialogue, I’m kinda sad you can’t tell the difference. I use strong words like supremacist because they fit here, not as some over reaching BS argument. And I happen to have free time and miss when these forms were actually active. Am I probably wasting my time? Absolutely. Do I have too much of an issue with it? Not really for now.
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Aug my friend your ability to blame shift is incredible, but I want you to understand that under no circumstances is being kind to another person harmful. You and your biblical view point of looking down on other people are the reason I keep my faith private and between me and God. The church has become so ridiculously corrupt with hatred against other religions and even general populations of people that it drives a lot of people to never even consider God of any kind. Why do you think agnosticism/atheism is so popular? As a Christian and as a person I want all people to prosper, not just the ones a book written by men thousands of years ago liked.
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Persephone your anecdote just highlighted that we have a problem with religion forcing its way into the workforce and that religion is held above other concerns. That’s complete BS and I would call it out even if it’s my own beliefs. A broken system should not be encouraged, it should be updated to reflect all beliefs that do not directly cause harm to another.
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That is the real issue the world over. Does one person’s firmly held value override another’s firmly held value. Do requirements to use preferred pronouns hurt someone? Some say yes as it would be against their spirituality. Does not calling Max by preferred pronouns hurt someone. Some say yes as not doing so invalidates Max’s being. Forcefully enacting a measure to or not to will invalidate someone’s core. They are two different experiences on how they came to their core values, both are deserving of mutual respect.
To state to the face of someone that they are mentally I’ll because of their gender identity or because of their spiritual beliefs is repugnant to me on both sides of this argument. No matter what I say will not change beliefs. Could Max tolerate being called pronouns that are not preferred and not assume is due to hatred or bigotry? Could Aug practice his beliefs and raise his family upholding those beliefs without passing judgment on someone’s mental stability or adherence to Christianity? -
I’m not really sure that knowing the cashier’s name matters, let alone their gender. Just ring up my Lego items. “That will be $42. Thank you. I sure hope you have a wonderful day.” If Max wants to identify as a non-binary gender, go right ahead. I’m just in the store to buy Lego sets. If Max is my friend, coworker, or other acquaintance, I most certainly would respect their pronoun choice. If pronouns are not on everyone else’s name tag, why does Max need on theirs?
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Clee Torres wrote:
Name tags are often a uniform standard for cashiers, and they can often be customized within limits to reflect things like pronouns. Max likely put his/theirs on because it’s important to him/themI’m not really sure that knowing the cashier’s name matters, let alone their gender. Just ring up my Lego items. “That will be $42. Thank you. I sure hope you have a wonderful day.” If Max wants to identify as a non-binary gender, go right ahead. I’m just in the store to buy Lego sets. If Max is my friend, coworker, or other acquaintance, I most certainly would respect their pronoun choice. If pronouns are not on everyone else’s name tag, why does Max need on theirs?
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Sure it’s important to them. The word of God is important to Aug. Collecting Lego sets is important to Viking. My friend travels from state to state finding a new home for dogs that are in need of rescue. They are all proud of themselves. Should they wear it on their name tags?
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If I recall correctly- employees of Disney resorts have the flag of their nationality- I’m not sure if it is actual national origin, ancestry or identity as. I always thought it was kind of cool since they have so many international visitors. I agree with if the employer says it’s cool to include pronouns so be it. My whole issue is that is a big slippery slope as a name tag is traditionally just the name and the position. Adding individualized information becomes awkward at best and can be insulting at worst.
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Clee Torres wrote:
Regarding pride in particular a lot of them celebrate pride due to how it was literally illegal to be out and proud before hand. Like I said, name tags are customizable, I can put that Viking is a Lego enthusiast or Aug condemns you to hell on their name tags. Pronouns are becoming a part of the professional world, mine are on my zoom profile. So they actually make way more sense in this scenario.Sure it’s important to them. The word of God is important to Aug. Collecting Lego sets is important to Viking. My friend travels from state to state finding a new home for dogs that are in need of rescue. They are all proud of themselves. Should they wear it on their name tags?
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
It’s not a slippery slope, it’s putting pronouns on display. We do it on twitter bios all the time, and I’ve been asked about my pronouns in multiple meetings and I can put it on my zoom profile. It’s not controversial regardless of what Viking or Aug say.If I recall correctly- employees of Disney resorts have the flag of their nationality- I’m not sure if it is actual national origin, ancestry or identity as. I always thought it was kind of cool since they have so many international visitors. I agree with if the employer says it’s cool to include pronouns so be it. My whole issue is that is a big slippery slope as a name tag is traditionally just the name and the position. Adding individualized information becomes awkward at best and can be insulting at worst.
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I would agree positional functions that are collaborative discussions beyond a brief encounter/transaction would benefit immensely by the use of preferred pronouns.
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‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
Oh i am able to learn just fine. I can also seperate bullshit from reality.★ZΞЯO COOL★ wrote:
I don’t deal with supremacists, end of story. You have no room to learn, discuss, or grow as has been made very obvious.‡☠ѺⱤǷӇΞƲδ☠‡ wrote:
“Trouble” expressing… yes im better than them. I have no such troubles or needs. Im not broken.Viking you came on here offended about a name tag, I think you’re the one we need to worry about here. Point to me where the pronouns hurt you, whereas I know they benefit many people, especially those with trouble expressing gender identities
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I attended a diversity training. The purpose was to identify that employer culture can quiet or exclude the voices of employees that are not within the majority. Unfortunately the facilitator kept referring to the workplace culture being white male dominated and that to increase the feedback from others, the feedback from white males should be diminished.
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Where I work is not a white male dominate culture. Women hold more than 75% of the executive mid management positions. 90% of the supervisory positions are held by women. I could easily argue that they were systematically biased and not inclusive towards males and through the training provided, actually were marginalizing white males.
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