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☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
This.
Why should I pay for the healthcare of someone
i enjoy video games, eating hot pockets, and learning. i want to go to college. thanks for supporting me😅
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the quote thing got messed up.. but you get it
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
⇚❹☠❶☠❺⇛ wrote:
God forbid any brand new construction. Replacements are cool, though. It’s critical that we maintain exactly the same level of border security and not improve it one little bit!C’mon man, stop being ignorant and read. Both SDG and Calexico were replacements for existing border walls that were deteriorating. I believe Calexico used one of the possible prototypes, but it still replaced existing wall. None of that construction was brand new construction.
Think you took my post out of context.
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Business owner here. I turned 18 when Obama became president. I started my business when Obama was president. I now have 18 employees and am hiring my 19th employee today. I consider myself a moderately successful small employer. Here’s my opinion on America and Trump.
First some facts about myself.1. I paid 20,000 personal in taxes last year. That’s not including business taxes.
2. My healthcare is now triple the price after Obama decided to change everything. It was cheaper not to carry and just pay the penalty.
3. I voted for trump.
4. The catchphrase, “Make America great again,” really means nothing to us millennials who voted for trump. We just want to change where we saw problems.I consider myself aligned with several different political parties. I am a classical liberal with libertarian leanings who has to vote conservative because the progressives have no real world experience and/or are so wealthy that the policies would not hurt them in the long run.
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1. Taxes. Anybody with a business knows that when taxes are raised, business simply raise the prices. I do it, everybody else does it. Yes there is a small period where when it first happens if you haven’t prepared right, you end up paying higher taxes a few months, but then price adjustments take affect and you keep making the same profit margin. So who ends up paying the price for the taxes? The consumers (that’s you). Side note, raising minimum wage applies the same way. We raised it in Oregon and its on a sliding scale up to $15/hour in the next few years. Guess what we did? We now have a price raise in our contracts that reflect the percentage of the minimum wage increase. Prices are goin up in proportion to minimum wage. Or people are investing in machinery to replace people. Fred Meyers and Walmart (among many others) are in the process of buying automated floor cleaners to replace their night janitors. The Fred Meyer store in Clackamas Oregon has already done this. Saves them thousands each mont
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1. month. Think that’s a coincidence?
2. Healthcare. Competition is good. Mostly. Go look up municipality’s and the decision behind that. Most everything else? Competition is good. Healthcare needs a shot in the arm of innovation beyond new types of treatment. It needs a shot of efficiency. It needs competition. Right now, there is limited competition.
3. Gun laws. I love other countries. I’ve visited several. But here’s how it works. My house, my rules. Your house, your rules. Same applies to my country. Our rules, your rules, etc. Gun laws are in our constitution. I would advise you if you don’t know, look how hard it is to change the constitution. You won’t be getting rid of the right to bear firearms. I’m glad getting rid of guns works in your country, will not happen in ours. (I’m pro gun by the way, I own several and haven’t shot anybody).
4. Supreme Court. This is one of the main reasons I voted for trump. I want conservative translations of the constitution implemented, not a progressive agenda. The l -
The less things change government wise the happier I am. Disagree with me, I don’t care. That’s my preference.
5. Free college. Free college will be paid for with taxes from people and businesses. See my answer on taxes.
6. Jobs. Fixing unfair advantages will allow better jobs. One of my largest customers is a steel mill. I talked with the head of their purchasing department and the head of their sales department. The argument that China or other countries can do it cheaper or better than us is a false argument. China cheats. Literally. This is not a political line, China literally subsidizes their companies with the money they receive from their socialist agenda that allows their companies to sell lower. It would be like if the US government decides to hand a paycheck to steel mills and say we will pay 50% of everybody’s bill. That allows China to sell way cheaper than any other companies. They can dump their product on the market and lower prices. This drives our companies out of competition. This is sim -
similar to what OPEC tried to do to oil when the US started producing a lot of oil. Remember several years ago when oil prices dropped down to almost 2 dollars a gallon (in Oregon at least)?That OPEC driving prices down. Costs didn’t lower to make oil, OPEC wanted the American companies out of production. It didn’t work thankfully, but I know serval US oil companies were forced out of business. We hung on by a thread. OPEC is not China. China is way larger than OPEC ever dreamed of being. The tariffs will work in the long run. The steel mills are extremely happy. China will lose, things will get back to normal eventually. Yes there will be sacrifices along the way, but we allowed the situation to happen when China first started cheating. Now we have to deal with a bigger problem. Other countries simply slap huge tariffs on US products already, so the tariffs on Europe Canada, and Mexico, are well justified. Here’s an example, anybody in Europe who wants to buy a Harley Davison motorcycle must pay a huge ta
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tariffs. I believe it’s 50% but I could be wrong. It’s in the ballpark. However, any US military personnel can purchase products and bypass the tarriff. Military personnel can purchase a Harley Davidson motorcycle at list price, drive around for a couple years, and resell it for the same price they bought it because tariffs make the bike so expensive that the used bike price in Europe is the same price as a brand new US price. Everybody’s annoyed at the tariffs to our allies, but the allies need to shape up or lose their competitiveness in our country. Fair is fair.
7. Immigration. We need immigration. Both Republicans and Democrats in the US have failed us on this matter. Republicans were stupid when they had the majority, they could’ve fixed the problem yet t -
they failed. Democrats had the same issue back when Obama was in office. They had the majority in the house, Senate, and the presidency. Yet they failed as well. We need to allow more workers in the US. We have the jobs, unemployment is extremely low. Let them in, this will allow the economy to grow. However do it legally. Illegal immigration is foolish. What country wants to allow a bunch of undocumented people inside its borders? Absolute insanity. If the Democrats had a shred of knowledge, they would give trump his border wall, but demand that he allow more workers in the US and create a path of citizenship for all those in the US illegally currently. I guarantee you the American public would breathe a sigh of relief that the problem has finally been solved. Throw in a bonus that all welfare programs are not allowed for five years or make the path to citizenship five years and allow no welfare programs during that time. That would make conservatives happy.
These are just a few of the random topics that -
that are presented to us today. This is why I voted for Trump. I felt he would shake things up from the current way things are being done. The way things where being done made absolutely no sense to me. For the most part, Trump has helped along the lines that I wanted. He’s appointed conservative judges, lowered taxes, prettymuch left gun laws the way they are, and is currently trying to make us more competitive on the global market. Healthcare he’s failed on, immigration he’s going to fail on if he doesn’t make a deal soon. Hopefully these last two items he’ll be able to wrap up in the last two years and I will consider myself very happy on how things turned out.
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The best thing to do is look at what’s working in other countries and apply it to ours. Cut pork barrel spending and stop funding the military complex system along with private jail system. Prices have gone up on everything in the last 60 years (natural progression of things). Wages have stayed stagnant across the board in most job fields (adjust wages for inflation).Make lobbying illegal and amend the constitution to strip tax exempt status from religious organizations. The rest of us sane people should’t have to pay for your imaginary friends.
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☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
Violation of separation of church and state. If you don’t allow churches to have a voice in government when they pay taxes, you’re doing taxation without representation. It’s a violation of free speech then. When you pay taxes, you have the right to represent yourself in the government. That’s why churches don’t pay taxes. We don’t want churches having a voice in the government.The best thing to do is look at what’s working in other countries and apply it to ours. Cut pork barrel spending and stop funding the military complex system along with private jail system. Prices have gone up on everything in the last 60 years (natural progression of things). Wages have stayed stagnant across the board in most job fields (adjust wages for inflation).Make lobbying illegal and amend the constitution to strip tax exempt status from religious organizations. The rest of us sane people should’t have to pay for your imaginary friends.
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☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
Also, wages are simply the representation of the value of an item. By artificially inflating something, something else always gets inflated to cover the cost of it. I do agree, however, that cost of items have risen out of proportion to wages. Waving a magic wand and raising minimum wage doesn’t fix the underlying problem.The best thing to do is look at what’s working in other countries and apply it to ours. Cut pork barrel spending and stop funding the military complex system along with private jail system. Prices have gone up on everything in the last 60 years (natural progression of things). Wages have stayed stagnant across the board in most job fields (adjust wages for inflation).Make lobbying illegal and amend the constitution to strip tax exempt status from religious organizations. The rest of us sane people should’t have to pay for your imaginary friends.
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☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
People mix up lobbying with bribery. Lobbying is a free speech right. Bribery, however, is already illegal.The best thing to do is look at what’s working in other countries and apply it to ours. Cut pork barrel spending and stop funding the military complex system along with private jail system. Prices have gone up on everything in the last 60 years (natural progression of things). Wages have stayed stagnant across the board in most job fields (adjust wages for inflation).Make lobbying illegal and amend the constitution to strip tax exempt status from religious organizations. The rest of us sane people should’t have to pay for your imaginary friends.
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LeWolfe wrote:
☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
Violation of separation of church and state. If you don’t allow churches to have a voice in government when they pay taxes, you’re doing taxation without representation. It’s a violation of free speech then. When you pay taxes, you have the right to represent yourself in the government. That’s why churches don’t pay taxes. We don’t want churches having a voice in the government.The best thing to do is look at what’s working in other countries and apply it
Last is seen Christianity has a massive voice in the US government. Along with each state as well. If it didn’t, why even offer a bible to be sworn into office with? Should always be a law book or something logical that goes along with government.
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〓 S E E K E R 〓 wrote:
LeWolfe wrote:
☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
That’s a different topic. Churches as tax free organizations vs people and their personal beliefs and how those beleifs influence their personal policies. They could be sworn in with a comic book. Here’s a link to New York times article showing that question that just came up this last election cycle. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/us/politics/roy-moore-bible-ted-crockett.amp.htmlLast is seen Christianity has a massive voice in the US government. Along with each state as well. If it didn’t, why even offer a bible to be sworn into office with? Should always be a law book or something logical that goes along with government.
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LeWolfe wrote: Violation of separation of church and state. If you don’t allow churches to have a voice in government when they pay taxes, you’re doing taxation without representation. It’s a violation of free speech then. When you pay taxes, you have the right to represent yourself in the government. That’s why churches don’t pay taxes. We don’t want churches having a voice in the government.
The separation of church and state is not so much law as it is a custom. It doesn’t appear in the constitution.
Your point doesn’t really apply to taxation in my mind, though. I could say the same thing about yoga studios. We shouldn’t tax yoga studios because then they would need representation in government. I don’t really want all that balancing, bending, and stretching in my uterus.
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many great minds here, shame the same don’t apply to politics
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He's talking about bringing back slavery 🍊🍊🍊
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LeWolfe wrote:
☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
People mix up lobbying with bribery. Lobbying is a free speech right. Bribery, however, is already illegal.The best thing to do is look at what’s working in other countries and apply it to ours. Cut pork barrel spending and stop funding the military complex system along with private jail system. Prices have gone up on everything in the last 60 years (natural progression of things). Wages have stayed stagnant across the board in most job fields (adjust wages for inflation).Make lobbying illegal and amend the constitution to strip tax exempt status from religious organizations. The rest of us sane people should’t have to pay for your imaginary friends.
The two walk a very fine line that I bet gets crossed pretty frequently.
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Ese Santos wrote:
Not everyone thinks its wrong.He's talking about bringing back slavery 🍊🍊🍊
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Coolio wrote:
Most of the time, liberals and conservatives want the same thing, the two groups just disagree on how to get there. Throwing insults is not a step towards a solution.many great minds here, shame the same don’t apply to politics
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★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
Now when you say everyone do you refer to individuals or nations? Because I can name a few nations that approve of slavery.Ese Santos wrote:
Not everyone thinks its wrong.He's talking about bringing back slavery 🍊🍊🍊
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⇚❹☠❶☠❺⇛ wrote:
Fair pointLeWolfe wrote:
☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
People mix up lobbying with bribery. Lobbying is a free speech right. Bribery, however, is already illegal.The best thing to do is look at what’s working in other countries and apply it to ours. Cut pork barrel spending and stop funding the military complex system along with private jail system. Prices have gone up on everything in the last 60 years (natural progression of things). Wages have stayed stagnant across the board in most job fields (adjust wages for inflation).Make lobbying illegal and amend the constitution to strip tax exempt status from religious organizations. The rest of us sane people should’t have to pay for your imaginary friends.
The two walk a very fine line that I bet gets crossed pretty frequently.
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LeWolfe wrote:
I was thinking of christians following their zombie christ where the bible tells slaves to be good slaves 😂★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
Now when you say everyone do you refer to individuals or nations? Because I can name a few nations that approve of slavery.Ese Santos wrote:
Not everyone thinks its wrong.He's talking about bringing back slavery 🍊🍊🍊
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
1. Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."The separation of church and state is not so much law as it is a custom. It doesn’t appear in the constitution.
Your point doesn’t really apply to taxation in my mind, though. I could say the same thing about yoga studios. We shouldn’t tax yoga studios because then they would need representation in government. I don’t really want all that balancing, bending, and stretching in my uterus.
Jefferson's metaphor of a wall of separation has been cited repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court specifically In Reynolds v. United States (1879) -
Brown🎵Note wrote:
2.I would encourage you to look up the historical references to nations that have and currently are allowing religion to run politics or be involved in politics to a large degree. The ending pretty much is always bad. I’m a Christian myself and no way in the world do I think religion should enter the politics area.The separation of church and state is not so much law as it is a custom. It doesn’t appear in the constitution.
Your point doesn’t really apply to taxation in my mind, though. I could say the same thing about yoga studios. We shouldn’t tax yoga studios because then they would need representation in government. I don’t really want all that balancing, bending, and stretching in my uterus.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
You can have a nonprofit yoga studio. You would have to jump through some hoops but you could do it. then you wouldn’t pay taxes, just like a church. However the same rules apply.The separation of church and state is not so much law as it is a custom. It doesn’t appear in the constitution.
Your point doesn’t really apply to taxation in my mind, though. I could say the same thing about yoga studios. We shouldn’t tax yoga studios because then they would need representation in government. I don’t really want all that balancing, bending, and stretching in my uterus.
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★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
Ah I see, your intent was to insult not to have a discussion on that point 👍🏼LeWolfe wrote:
I was thinking of christians following their zombie christ where the bible tells slaves to be good slaves 😂★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
Now when you say everyone do you refer to individuals or nations? Because I can name a few nations that approve of slavery.Ese Santos wrote:
Not everyone thinks its wrong.He's talking about bringing back slavery 🍊🍊🍊
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