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★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote: It does seem like something they'd do...have done...100 times...for over 100 years...in over 100 countries...in the interests of lobbying corporations...lol
Yes, yes. "CIA Subdues Fruit-Hatted Peoples of Lesser Americas"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27étatI like how there's a picture of Ike there on the page. The hero of conspiracy nuts everywhere. The whistle blower of the military industrial complex.
But ask the nutters:
Was Diana murdered by the royal family?
"Absolutely."
Was the death of Diana faked and she has been living as someone else?
"Absolutely."
One speculation is as good as the other. Speculation is "truth" to them. So in their world, the "truth" behind 9/11 is just wild speculation.
Fascinating. 🖖🏻
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Apparently, more and more studies are coming out that conspiracy theorists are more normal than we give them credit for. It's part of the normal human psyche. It's right up there with Religion it seems.
Their delusion is caused by low self esteem, the belief in the omnipotence of the elite, and a deep seated fear that life is in any way random. They don't believe coincidence exists in any aspect of popular events. They can't believe in lone shooters, or box cutters taking down the twin towers. That's too asymmetrical for them to comprehend. Like I mentioned earlier: extraordinary events cannot have a mundane cause. The life of Diana could not possibly end with a simple car accident.
If we establish that we depend on oil exports from the Middle East, and that explanation for events there becomes "mundane", they must find a way to imagine a more complicated sub-plot with vast conspiracies and evil manipulation by the elites.
It is really, really, really interesting to me.
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Ӈཪ༱عɗ☠ᏩᎧེ͜Ꭷེℵ wrote:
Uhh my father, was in Iraq, Afghanistan, and all over the Middle East fighting those people that you are trying to say that the U.S. Supports. at the time he was a major, and his friends died, I knew some of them, Isis also issued threats to the family of the US troops that have been over there, these threats were real and substantiated. the US military did not support al Qaeda and does not support Isis.The U.S. has supported Al Qaeda (Al Nusra) and its affiliated organizations for almost half a century since the heyday of the Soviet Afghan war.
The U.S. seems to have rebranded their image of supporting terrorism. Kind of like Comcasts image is so bad they had to rebrand themselves through the name Xfinity.
Sounds to me like Russia has a keen sense of smell for U.S. fed bullshit.
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I have friends and family that fought there as well. Some ask themselves why we are there and others are all for it because it is all they know.
Nothing is what it seems, especially when you just sit in front of the tube with a bib on and eat everything they feed you. I lost friends over there as well.. as a matter of fact I think everyone knows someonethey lost directly or indirectly etc.
Is it hard to believe? Yes, of course. But because some things may be hard to believe doesn't mean it can't be true, unless you are that naive.
The U.S. gov is far from perfect just like any other government.
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I'm not saying th government is perfect,
I am telling you that the US military does not support Al quest or Isis or groups like that, the reason being they are inpredictable and uncontrollable. The world we live in is all about control. The US performs coups and assists in takovers in the hope that the one they put in power is controllable and keeps their promises. Unfortunantly many times this doesn't happen, causing more uprisings and upheaval. But there are times that they are successful and effective. But these aren't publicized because the media is looking for action.
These coups even happen here in the US. I have seen one in action and it was incredible, very effective and very few people realized who was orchestrating it, in fact I think only those who were targeted saw what was happening. The coups that are successful are almost unnoticed just like that one that I saw.
There is corruption but not support of Isis and never support of Al Qaeda -
Good grief. Do people like you actually exist? No wonder the world is in the state it is. How can you fight idiots?
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BakedBananas wrote:
I think you need to be more specific. Which side are you referring to?Good grief. Do people like you actually exist? No wonder the world is in the state it is. How can you fight idiots?
We back those that help our best interests. In the 80s that was Iraq against Iran and the mujahideen against the Soviets.
In the 40s, it was the Soviets against Germany and Japan.
Right now, our best interests are to contain and destroy our ideological enemies and stabilize the Middle East. All sides of this conflict are in agreement on who the enemies are here.
Our policy is to serve our best interests. It always has been.
If you think our policy is being bungled, the United States appreciates your input, but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Leave it to the professionals.
Thank you.
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So let me get this right because you move the goal posts that much Brown I get dizzy.
Do you really think the west are stabilizing the Middle East ?. Do you not think we have made a complete fuck up of that with Iraq , Libya etc.
Also are you trying to say our policy is to serve the best interests of the U.S. No matter what the consequences are.
Was this not the same kind of policy Hitler had when he was marching from country to country.?Bizarre. How you beleive anything you are told on TV. Where does that stop. How crazy would the story they tell on CNN have to get before you start thinking for your self and not just going along with the other sheep.
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Mr,Shush wrote:
So you think we trying to NOT act in our best interests, then?So let me get this right because you move the goal posts that much Brown I get dizzy.
Do you really think the west are stabilizing the Middle East ?. Do you not think we have made a complete fuck up of that with Iraq , Libya etc.
Also are you trying to say our policy is to serve the best interests of the U.S. No matter what the consequences are.
Was this not the same kind of policy Hitler had when he was marching from country to country.?Bizarre. How you beleive anything you are told on TV. Where does that stop. How crazy would the story they tell on CNN have to get before you start thinking for your self and not just going along with the other sheep.
Brilliant.
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★★BЯOШИИOTΞ★★ wrote:
Russia is not there to bomb ISIS. We are pissed at them for backing the regime we are trying to oust. It's a proxy war, and they have chosen the other team. ISIS is a side matter.
Getting dizzy again with you contradicting yourself.
Read what you wrote. We are pissed with them backing who we are trying to oust. OK so are you saying there backing Isis ? Because that's the reason we are being told we are there.
They have chosen the other team you wrote.? So I gather you mean Assad and the Kurds .? So are you saying Assad and the Kurds (the other team) are the enemy or Isis .
Isis is a side matter you say.
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★★BЯOШИИOTΞ★★ wrote:
If you think killing millions of civilians for GAS, Oil, etc is our best interests then yes. (Depending on who's OUR)Mr,Shush wrote:
So you think we trying to NOT act in our best interests, then?So let me get this right because you move the goal posts that much Brown I get dizzy.
Do you really think the west are stabilizing the Middle East ?. Do you not think we have made a complete fuck up of that with Iraq , Libya etc.
Also are you trying to say our policy is to serve the best interests of the U.S. No matter what the consequences are.
Was this not the same kind of policy Hitler had when he was marching from country to country.?
<Brilliant.
Your not one of them Brown. You won't benefit from robbing another countries resources .Your insignificant to them. Your nothing but a tool so they can make billions.
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President Obama:
"Muahahahahaaaaaa!
Beautiful money!
Muahahahahahaaaa!"
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mathamatics wrote:
I believe what you are experiencing is what they call 'denial'. Just because our family and friends are in the military and are fighting in wars doesn't mean you go blind.Since 1776, the U.S. has been engaged in 50+ military invasions and expeditions and it hasn't been done without the assistance of other groups. A country such as Iran, hasn't invaded another country for over 200 years. Despite what the Western media's war cries would have you believe, the U.S. is more of a threat to regional security than a country like Iran, and it has to do with U.S. interests.
To say that the U.S. doesn't support terrorism tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Ӈཪ༱عɗ☠ᏩᎧེ͜Ꭷེℵ wrote: I believe what you are experiencing is what they call 'denial'. Just because our family and friends are in the military and are fighting in wars doesn't mean you go blind.
"Welcome to Reagan National Airport. When entering the security queue, please separate your edged weapons from your explosives. Just as a reminder, all dirty bomb materials must be purchased in the terminal."Since 1776, the U.S. has been engaged in 50+ military invasions and expeditions and it hasn't been done without the assistance of other groups. A country such as Iran, hasn't invaded another country for over 200 years. Despite what the Western media's war cries would have you believe, the U.S. is more of a threat to regional security than a country like Iran, and it has to do with U.S. interests.
To say that the U.S. doesn't support terrorism tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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U.S. General Wesley Clark (ret) revealed that he was informed, in the days following 9/11 that the DOD was planning war with 7 different countries in the span of 5 years, starting with Iraq. The other 6 were Syria,Libya,Somalia,Sudan,and Iran. Iraq was invaded in 2003, the U.S. has been operating in Sudan and Somalia, Libya's gov was toppled in 2009, now Syria's war and Irans fate remains yet to be determined.
Interestingly enough, these countries are in the top 15 for the most amount of Oil reserves. I don't think it's fair to say that war is based solely on 1 issue alone, but in regards to Oil, Americans alone consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each. Oil is not just in the machines and the cars we drive, it is also in 6000+ items, most of these items used everyday by just about everyone, like plastic,clothes,furniture and the list goes on.
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If you think for a second that Oil isn't a motive for invading at least 1 of those 7 countries, then you are one of the reasons our beloved government gets away with it in the first place.
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Why do we need their oil when we produce more than we use now....? Does the government want to sell it and make money?
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Let's start by reminding everyone that there is no benefit to throwing personal attacks out.
Next- I told you that the US does not support Isis and did not support al queda, the response was "US invades other countries and is scary" ok sure the US is scary to other countries, those planes and helicopters flying overhead and more firepower than you even know.
Well Isis is not a country, al queda was not a country, these are international entities that have no stated purpose other than war
We have been in many countries, and we have fought a lot of other countries, but this type of warfare is different because you cannot just invade or bomb or follow the ordinary warfare ideas, because they have no borders, they get hit, they move.macmetch one theory for why the US wants oil from out of country is so that when it starts to run out there are still reserves in the US.
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Ӈཪ༱عɗ☠ᏩᎧེ͜Ꭷེℵ wrote:
Of course oil is the overall reason for most of our action in the Middle East. Nobody says otherwise. You know, "stabilize the Middle East"... So we can buy oil from them.If you think for a second that Oil isn't a motive for invading at least 1 of those 7 countries, then you are one of the reasons our beloved government gets away with it in the first place.
What are you, 12? This is our stated policy! It's not a secret, and it's not new.
We can't very well buy oil from Saddam and Assad is a prick, and don't get me started on Iran and ISIS. These are problems to fix. They make it hard to buy oil.
I mean, we invaded Afganistan for the Opium... Wait... No, that was terrorism we went in for.
But yeah. We are in the Middle East to oust troublemakers that keep us from buying oil.
Duh.
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My response wasn't a personal attack. And I responded to your remarks about the U.S. not supporting terrorists.
History shows that the U.S. has in fact supported terrorism over the last several decades, but because you think we are the good guys and your father is military, the U.S. can't possibly support terrorism?...
ISIS/ISIL and Al Qaeda/Al Nusra are tools of the West. Invading these countries for the Wests interests is just one of their purposes.
And Brown, Oil is just one reason of course. Glad to see you acknowledge the fact that the West is toppling countries for its interests.
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Ӈཪ༱عɗ☠ᏩᎧེ͜Ꭷེℵ wrote:
This wasn't directed at me rather than the topic at all... Don't worry seems like most the people in the game resort to it.mathamatics wrote:
I believe what you are experiencing is what they call 'denial'.But it's easy to see that people here in the lower 48 states are afraid of military they don't have much chance to be around them.. But the US isn't like that character from star wars running both sides of the war. FYI my father is ex military now he was forced to retire in that coup that happened where we lived.
History shows that the US supports countries and leadership that shows promise to be able to support trade and negotiations. These types of groups the US supports are the opposite of terrorism.
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Now History also happens to be written by those who win, so everything anyone has ever read has been biased to one point of view or another. The history found on the internet where most people do there passive research is tainted even worse to show exactly what the reader wants to read based off of the search request, in order to get more hits. It is really hard to get reliable information anywhere but experience. This problem makes accurate and reliable conversations over the Internet a joke, because everyone expects the other to be lying about experiences or not having any credibility to what they are saying.
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Math, I understand what you are saying. I believe that is the picture that is painted to the public, and to some degree that is what may be happening,but it isn't 100% the case. There are alterior motives that aren't painted in that picture for us too see. Because a government wants to establish their own currency for their country that doesn't flow with the Wests banking system, that is a good reason to go in and topple their government? For the sake of trade and negotiations?
Suddam went ahead to accept Euros instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency and its dominion as the petrodollar.
Ghaddafi made a similar bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro,and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead,the gold dinar.Gaddafi even suggested establishing a united African continent,with its 200 million people using this single currency. This is just one reason why I believe they were removed.
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And Brown, it seems that you are the one who is 12 with how you respond to others. My 13 yr old has more respect than you.
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Ӈཪ༱عɗ☠ᏩᎧེ͜Ꭷེℵ wrote:
You're an arrogant child. You should speak to your elders with more respect.And Brown, it seems that you are the one who is 12 with how you respond to others. My 13 yr old has more respect than you.
B17. 😁😆😝😅😝😚😂😂😅
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What are you smoking, you two?
Al Q and ISIS are not tools of the west, you tool.
It's speculation; you have no proof and not even any evidence of that claptrap. You think it fits your armchair conspiracy theorist world view, and that's all the reason you need to completely discount reality.
Are you suggesting that the entire CIA, NSA, State Department, Congress, and The White House are in on this political career-ending secret? Do you know how many people are working these issues? Honest people with families, that would be hung out to dry if it came out they knew...
Edward Snowden made no such accusations.
Get bent, you deranged trolls.
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And this reaching, steaming pile of economic theory on which currencies are traded... Dear Jebus, you can't be serious. All currencies of value are interchangeable. Have you never travelled with a credit card? It's especially moot since we are on a fiat currency! Units of production are legal tender here in the US, and the banks will happily take your billions in any form of currency that has value and stability. Merry Christmas, why do you fall for these amateur nut-job theories you find on YouTube?
Hey. You have value. You are no different than the most powerful people on the planet. We are all mortal. We all have tooth aches. We all get the squirts. They do not control us.
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I apologize in advance.
How to know when your "facts" are bullshit:
http://youtu.be/oVnuFY20st0
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Lol are you not the guy who thought Iran was fighting against us 😁😁😁😁 I'd stay out of this if I was you.Why do we need their oil when we produce more than we use now....? Does the government want to sell it and make money?
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Wow only just checked back in. What have I started lol.
My personal opinion is we are funding Isis. There is no reason why we would shoot down a Russian jet that was helping us fight Isis.
I believe we are bombing Assad and as Putin was reported saying this week Isis are mercenaries working for the west and Saudi.
50.000 russian troops and 50 ships reported moving over weekend. 😞
I'm sorry if I upset people but I will never understand why people join the Army to go and fight wars.
They are not there because of conscription. They are there because of choice.
Why choose to leave your loved ones to fight a war that as no impact on your own lives.
As someone said only business men benefit from wars.
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