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January 2014 was the 4th warmest January since they started measuring global temperatures back in 1880. It was 1.4 degrees F warmer than average.
I'm all for a realistic debate on climate change. I don't like it when either side is ignorant of the facts. I don't like it when some green hippy thinks CO2 is completely destroying the planet, but I HATE it when people spout out that humans aren't changing weather at all; "in fact, my house had more snow than EVAR this year!"
An honest discussion without politics would be nice. Unlikely, but nice.
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Ojibwe wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Wow, wat? I hope you're joking or I have some serious concerns with education these days.Still waiting for all the coal burning power plants, gas guzzling cars and drilling rigs that the dinosaurs used to end the ice age. Couldn't have possibly been WEATHER!!!
I'm saying the earth heats and cools in cycles. Were taking a sharpshooter if the last 200 years and making the global warming claim. That's like saying at 6AM it's 70 and at 9AM it's 80 so by 5PM it's going to be 150. The earths been here 4.5 billion years. Don't look at one frame of a movie and base your opinion on that.
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Snapshot. Not sharpshooter.
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He's right our time frame on this planet as a species isn't even a blip on the radar of time for this planet.
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Nobody cares about the planet. The planet will be just fine.
We are going to make our lives difficult. That's all it is. Too many people; not enough food production. Take away our temperate climate and run low on fossil fuels and see what happens to our food system.
The climate is changing at an unnatural rate. There is no argument there. Part of it is natural, part of it is us. It doesn't matter. But we can help the situation or ignore it.
Some politicians will tell you it's all bunk, and also it's Mars or the Sun, or the end of the ice age... Which is it? Is it real or isn't it?
What can we do to help?
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Wait just one second. Ice ages last anywhere from 1-6,000,000 years. Climate change is a natural occurrence. Another thing: Average Global Temperatures for the past 25 years has been constant, when coal production hasn't been.Nobody cares about the planet. The planet will be just fine.
We are going to make our lives difficult. That's all it is. Too many people; not enough food production. Take away our temperate climate and run low on fossil fuels and see what happens to our food system.
The climate is changing at an unnatural rate. There is no argument there. Part of it is natural, part of it is us. It doesn't matter. But we can help the situation or ignore it.
Some politicians will tell you it's all bunk, and also it's Mars or the Sun, or the end of the ice age... Which is it? Is it real or isn't it?
What can we do to help?
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Climate change is natural. Nobody said it wasn't. But we are accelerating it.
Who says the global average has been constant for 25 years? Not NOAA.
Do you deny the carbon cycle? Are you saying that the Carboniferous didn't have huge quantities of carbon in the air which raised the temperature of the Earth to temperatures that would make it difficult for us to survive today? Are you saying we aren't releasing the carbon from the Carboniferous back into the air?
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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/13
Read that and tell me again how the global average temperatures were steady for the last 25 years.
Are we coming off an ice age, or are the temperatures constant? Which is it?
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Climate change is natural. Nobody said it wasn't. But we are accelerating it.
Who says the global average has been constant for 25 years? Not NOAA.
Do you deny the carbon cycle? Are you saying that the Carboniferous didn't have huge quantities of carbon in the air which raised the temperature of the Earth to temperatures that would make it difficult for us to survive today? Are you saying we aren't releasing the carbon from the Carboniferous back into the air?
No, but I'm saying we aren't releasing it anywhere remotely close to what the earth did a billion years ago. We are so insignificant that we CANT have any input to the climate (good or bad)
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Why do you say we CAN'T have any input? Doesn't sound very scientific... Or logical. Sounds more like politics.
Where did you get this information? I assume you got it from a climate scientist. No?
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Hmmmmm... 85 million barrels of crude oil consumed EVERY DAY. Leave volcanos, coal, and cow farts out of it...
We CANT have any input?
Can you imagine using that much oil? How big would the fire be?
What is the difference in temperature between NYC and central NY? No impact.
Your idea of insignificant is interesting to me.
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Papillon says climate change is the biggest con going. Bigger even than the moon landing hoax.
I mean... You are on HIS side?
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lol I'm just surprised nobody has blamed the government for weather changes yet. Really more of an argument than what you guys are putting up.
"Well you see guys, the earth goes into cycles of heating and cooling...the weathers getting colder...but were coming out of an ice age so it should be getting warmer"
How bout evolution? Not a chance eh...lol -
Ok, here's the problem. You consider a few opinions representative of the whole group of people saying "Man-made global warming is a fraud." The majority believe we are at the end of an ice age, and rightly so, because we are. I'm not saying we don't have an impact, we do, it's just minuscule in comparison to the effect of natural cycles. I'm talking .0001F>.
You realize how lucrative Global Warming is for Al Gore? He has a private jet and a house... Less than a mile from the ocean... In a place that, according to him, will be under water in 6 years. Sorry if I have trouble taking him seriously.
I love alternative energy, I use solar panels on my house. But I do it for the money I get back from Duke Energy every month. -
There hasn't been any global warming since 1997.
There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring .
Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012.
Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong.
So called scientist predictions on global warming have never been right.It's just a load more propaganda the government feed us to make billions and billions.
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Just put big ice cubes in the sea to cool it down 👍 hotter it gets the more ice we put in, then everyone is happy.
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★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote:
Lol why would we blame the government? So we can be just as ignorant as they are, no thanks. Mayhem climates are constantly changing but the issue is it started out as global warming which to the science community solely meant the earth was heating up. They also stated storms and just weather in general would have a dramatic change. If global warming is the reason my property hasn't been wrecked by a hurricane in years then I'm going to burn all the fossil fuels I can get my hands on lol.lol I'm just surprised nobody has blamed the government for weather changes yet. Really more of an argument than what you guys are putting up.
"Well you see guys, the earth goes into cycles of heating and cooling...the weathers getting colder...but were coming out of an ice age so it should be getting warmer"
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Now since global warming isn't behaving the way scientists said it would they've changed their original claims so that now it's, "well global warming can make things colder too and aside from what we said it's not for sure going to make weather bad." Everytime their claims don't pull through they change their minds about what man made global warming is capable of. Then every once in a while they get one right and they exploit the hell out of it xD that doesn't seem funny to you mayhem? I don't claim to be a science genius but at the same time I'm not a dumbass lol.
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CͣAͩNͩINE wrote:
Futurama hahaJust put big ice cubes in the sea to cool it down 👍 hotter it gets the more ice we put in, then everyone is happy.
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I don't want to alarm any government conspiracy nuts here, but I happen to work at the NOAA headquarters campus. I eat lunch in the cafeteria with these "climate scientists" most every day. I read their publications. There's no conspiracy here that I'm aware of. Just a bunch of academic types collecting data from a dizzying number of sources, compiling reports, and trying their best to inform the people of what is really happening. None of them are political appointees, elected, or otherwise follow popular talking points. Al Gore doesn't work here. Billions are spent so that we can know what is going on with our planet and it's resources. It's good for business to manage these resources.
But some jackass given a few bucks by Exxon can sway your opinion with political and corporate bias.. It's very strange.
If you have real scientific data showing this is all a big lie, I'd really like to see it.
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How about we stabilize the economy before we try to, "save the planet" honestly, you people act like my nephew on the monkey bars, we don't have a firm purchase on NOW, how can we hope to reach something that may or may not exist?
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King of Chaos wrote:
This is strong evidence that you are kind of making it all up in your own mind for a singular goal of preventing what you believe to be an over-reaction.How about we stabilize the economy before we try to, "save the planet" honestly, you people act like my nephew on the monkey bars, we don't have a firm purchase on NOW, how can we hope to reach something that may or may not exist?
That warming is happening, you can't possibly dispute. You might refuse to put research into it because you don't want to potentially damage business interests. Then you will sling empty and illogical arguments to "win".
You must pick one position.
A. Climate change is not happening.
B. Climate change is happening, but has nothing to do with humans.
C. It's happening and we have some responsibility for it.
D. It's happening, we caused it, but who cares. Let's not hurt the economy.
E...
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Hey brown note, I'm mostly inactive now but I sign in occasionally to read good discussions like this. I some points and then questions for you:
I believe that we are in the midst of global warming, just not as drastically as they originally predicted. Now here is my question. What causes big storms? Isn't it cold fronts interacting with warm fronts? So if there was a uniform heating, wouldn't storms happen less frequently? Now here is where I'm unsure on: if we took humans off the planet entirely, would global warming still happen? I believe yes, not positive though. So when people tell me that I have to stop driving cars so global warming won't happen, I don't buy it. What I want to hear is if we can't stop it, how can we adapt to it? Better farming techniques, etc
Anyway, just some thoughts for you... -
Because honestly, I feel like that unless we discuss how to adapt, we are just debating pointlessly. I think that if scientists can figure out a way to adapt and it makes fiscal sense, everybody will get on board because everybody wins when there's better technology available. If they come at it from the approach of "give up your stuff," they alienate people from the argument. To me it seems personally, they are asking me to put more air in a leaky tire rather than just changing the tire to one that won't leak as much (example)
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I don't believe we can "save the planet", as the hippies say. The root problem is that we have adapted to mild climates and over-production of food. There are too many people to sustain without an ideal climate and cheap gas. Cheap gas translates directly to mass food production and distribution. Moderate climate translates to crop yields.
Now we are facing a change that will impact our moderate climate and fossil fuel is coincidentally becoming not-so-abundant at the same time.
How to adapt? Starve off the excess people. (Or reproductive control, whatever.)
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There's plenty of things we can do to lower our energy usage without lowering our lifestyles or the economy. Banning incandescent lightbulbs is one example, but people made a big deal over that. More efficient insulation in our homes is cheap and easy, especially on new construction. We don't really need new sources when intelligent conservation can halve our usage. But it is the power companies that are opposed to such measures, they stand to lose money if consumers buy less if their product.
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Lol starvation? Not a viable option. Reproduction control by the government? Mmmm possible, but not likely to happen in the US. Plus I don't like those because it concedes that we're beat and aren't smart enough to come up with new technology to feed more people. I would offer and define the words hydroponics and GMO's, but I think defining GMO might cause another debate 😏 overall I think I agree with your stance. However, I think we can still grow with new technology
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Ojibwe wrote:
Actually, this is a perfect example. I work at an industrial distributor. Our big thing is switching people over to LED because of the new laws. The technology is actually making fiscal sense because of howThere's plenty of things we can do to lower our energy usage without lowering our lifestyles or the economy. Banning incandescent lightbulbs is one example, but people made a big deal over that. More efficient insulation in our homes is cheap and easy, especially on new construction. We don't really need new sources when intelligent conservation can halve our usage. But it is the power companies that are opposed to such measures, they stand to lose money if consumers buy less if their product.
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low prices have gotten. (At least in larger manufactures and corporations) I'm switching over a large plant right now. Paying over $140,000 for new lights. But they are only doing LED and not fluorescent because it makes "fiscal" sense. They had fluorescent already
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Ojibwe wrote:
Fluorescent bulbs suck. I had one over my desk I used 1-2 times a week. Burned out in a year. And my torture room loses it's appeal with a single bare fluorescent light!There's plenty of things we can do to lower our energy usage without lowering our lifestyles or the economy. Banning incandescent lightbulbs is one example, but people made a big deal over that. More efficient insulation in our homes is cheap and easy, especially on new construction. We don't really need new sources when intelligent conservation can halve our usage. But it is the power companies that are opposed to such measures, they stand to lose money if consumers buy less if their product.
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