Supreme Court rules against Rick Scott
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They won't let him drug test state employees or welfare recipients.
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I think welfare recipients should not be tested, unless they stay for a longer period of time on welfare. Like a year or two.
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Good for the supreme court - at least someone has some sense.
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The conservatives seemed to have missed the part in the constitution that prohibits unreasonable search and seizure.
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I do have a problem with them not testing state employees though, especially when they operate heavy equipment, or carry weapons. People in certain positions should be drug free. They should also make an exception for marijuana.
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Idk I think drug testing people on welfare, while it may be unconstitutional, would be extremely beneficial. I'm sorry but I just can't see how you're going to act like you're so dependent on others and yet here you are frivolously spending money. Right call by the Supreme Court, also an unfortunate one.
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☣ 🎸ӈɪƖƖßıƖƖγ🎸☣ wrote:
And what part of the constitution demands that our money, via taxes, should go to others in the form I welfare? For me to get a job I must take a drug test-is that unreasonable search and seizure? I not, then why is a chunk if my money going to another not worthy of the same demands? If they came and applied for a job at my company, after they have been on welfare, can I drug test them then?The conservatives seemed to have missed the part in the constitution that prohibits unreasonable search and seizure.
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I've always thought that if they can get "free" money than they should also have to pay for their drug tests every few months/6 months etc. Out of the money they get..... But the real winners here are the ones in charge of the programs. Yay AmericFuckingA! Hell ya!!!
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This had nothing to do with welfare. This was about state employees.
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What is the harm in testing employees? I had to take a urine and hair follicle test to pay their salaries. Why can't they take one to receive it?
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☣ 🎸ӈɪƖƖßıƖƖγ🎸☣ wrote:
They tried testing welfare recipients. They gave them notice before the test. They spent more on testing than they saved by kicking people off welfare.They won't let him drug test state employees or welfare recipients.
☣ 🎸ӈɪƖƖßıƖƖγ🎸☣ wrote:
So you want state employees who carry guns and operate heavy equipment to be drug free for our safety, but it's okay for them to be baked? Marijuana doesn't deserve an exception. It may not be harmful to you to smoke it, but it's still not safe.I do have a problem with them not testing state employees though, especially when they operate heavy equipment, or carry weapons. People in certain positions should be drug free. They should also make an exception for marijuana.
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✯ᎷᎪᎠᎠᎻᎪᎢᎢᎬᏒ✯ wrote:
They get the money and/or other benefits (remember, medicare is part of welfare) because they don't have enough money to live on. And you want them to then pay for the drug test? That's counterproductive.I've always thought that if they can get "free" money than they should also have to pay for their drug tests every few months/6 months etc. Out of the money they get..... But the real winners here are the ones in charge of the programs. Yay AmericFuckingA! Hell ya!!!
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Ridiculous to think that it's easier to spend billions blindly and not require testing. You can get a kit for $15 at Walgreens. http://m.walgreens.com/mt/www.walgreens.com/store/c/drugconfirm-instant-multi-drug-test-kit%2c-4-illicit-drugs/ID=prod6156729-product
Of course to have the fed govt run a testing program would mean each test kit would count $1500...
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knee bender wrote:
Ridiculous to think that it's easier to spend billions blindly and not require testing. You can get a kit for $15 at Walgreens.
Of course to have the fed govt run a testing program would mean each test kit would count $1500...
In Florida, 108 out of 4,086 tested failed the drug test. 2.6%. Cost for each test was $30. There was no drop in the amount of applicants, and with only 2.6% testing positive, the state lost thousands of dollars on the scheme. So it's not that it's easier, it's cheaper. Besides that, should we be punishing children for the sins of their parents? You can't spend food stamps on drugs except in a really roundabout way. Additional information: the supreme court rejected the appeal because it was too broad. If it required testing for public safety employees, it probably would have been upheld, as is the case in several other states, but it was required for all state employees.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
And this is true, the law dealing with welfare was separate, and was settled last year.This had nothing to do with welfare. This was about state employees.
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Got to take one to wear the countries uniform too. Why not the rest of them?What is the harm in testing employees? I had to take a urine and hair follicle test to pay their salaries. Why can't they take one to receive it?
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I honestly believe that if we have to take drug tests, people who work for the gov should have to do so.
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If you're going to test welfare recipients then test farmers, ranchers, churches, corporations and any other entity that receives subsidies or tax relief. Welfare payments are tiny compared to those benefits.
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λΙΙuviøη wrote:
I don't know the answer, obviously. But 30 dollars for a test. If someone is getting "free" money I think they can afford that a couple times a year. Doesn't have to encompass all recipients just heavier cases. And only 4,086 people in Florida. So it wasn't a broad state thing it was a "study" yea cuz those can't be altered or influenced to show an outcome. Punishing children for their parents sins. Ah yes, keep feeding druggy parents money so they can buy their kids healthy nutritional meals and a home to live in. And as for spending food stamps on drugs lol. People buy food and sell it discount for cash. Do I think I'm right. Fuck if I know. Do I think the way it is now is broken, sure. Just some thoughts.knee bender wrote:
Of course to have the fed govt run a testing program would mean each test kit would count $1500...
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Ojibwe wrote:
But those places are benefitting society and/ or creating jobs. Don't tell me you think someone receiving welfare contributes to the community more than a church. And business require drug tests for employees.If you're going to test welfare recipients then test farmers, ranchers, churches, corporations and any other entity that receives subsidies or tax relief. Welfare payments are tiny compared to those benefits.
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✯ᎷᎪᎠᎠᎻᎪᎢᎢᎬᏒ✯ wrote:
I said a really roundabout way. Yes it can be done like you described, but that is what I was talking about. It wasn't a "study" in florida, it only got that far before the courts put a stop to it. And they actually did questionnaires and then picked the ones they thought were most likely to be using drugs, so if anything it was tilted towards potential drug users, or at least the ones who are honest about it. Also, they don't get free money. Food stamps don't buy drug test kits. Medicare doesn't buy drug test kits. And fyi, the ones who test positive do have to pay for it. And it's still a waste of money.λΙΙuviøη wrote:
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☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
Then there wouldn't be anyone to keep the servers running 😂They should drug test people to play this app. ;-)
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King of Chaos wrote:
Every penny a welfare recipient receives goes straight back into the local economy. The biggest benefactor of welfare is the Walton family. If you want to drug test anyone start at the top, where the majority of the money goes. Not the poorest people in the country.Ojibwe wrote:
But those places are benefitting society and/ or creating jobs. Don't tell me you think someone receiving welfare contributes to the community more than a church. And business require drug tests for employees.If you're going to test welfare recipients then test farmers, ranchers, churches, corporations and any other entity that receives subsidies or tax relief. Welfare payments are tiny compared to those benefits.
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Oh my🙏🍁! With this mentality you guys will be a third world country in no time. Terrifying! Tax the churches ffs picking on the poor lol shame on you!
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Debate over. Mayhem is here. Lets all go find a new cool place to hang out. Lol
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Just to clarify the topic, the supreme court did NOT rule against the governor. In fact, they REFUSED to make a ruling. They kicked the case back down to the lower courts, which had already made the decision that urinalysis of all state employees constitutes an unreasonable search. If the executive order had targeted only employees in public safety, the ruling likely would have been different.
Another point to think about, if welfare recipients (since so many people chose to discuss it) should be drug tested before they get paid, then shouldn't all people be drug tested for their jobs? Yet this is clearly not the case, since so many of you are probably stoned out of your minds right now. Then, if everyone got drug tested before they could work, half the country would be fired and hauled off to jail, and when they got out, they wouldn't be able to get a job and would have to go on welfare. Welfare recipients shouldn't be treated any different than anyone else in the eyes of the law. Justice is blind.
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Wooooweeee that'll open up jobs and bring down the unemployment. 😜😝😂😂😂
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✯ᎷᎪᎠᎠᎻᎪᎢᎢᎬᏒ✯ wrote:
Wow. Words can't express how backwards that statement is. Either you slipped into sarcastic mode halfway through a sentence or you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the labor market.Wooooweeee that'll open up jobs and bring down the unemployment. 😜😝😂😂😂
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I figured this was an obvious answer. If I have to drug test to get a job that pays for all that, why don't people who receive the benefit have to as well? This seems so open and shut that I can't believe this is even debated! How can anybody disagree with drug testing??? If they pass, state picks up the bill. If they fail, they're kicked off welfare. How is that possibly a bad idea?????
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
What is your job?I figured this was an obvious answer. If I have to drug test to get a job that pays for all that, why don't people who receive the benefit have to as well? This seems so open and shut that I can't believe this is even debated! How can anybody disagree with drug testing??? If they pass, state picks up the bill. If they fail, they're kicked off welfare. How is that possibly a bad idea?????
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