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★fnord★ wrote:
This is a very shallow and bigoted comment. No one here is trying personally offend anyone. The only thing offensive are those who hate Christianity so much that they feel so eager to mention it in their angry responses. Is it possible that you are being intolarent fnord?It matters not how you arrived at your worldview. We are a country of laws. Arguing that the fundamental rights of equal protection under the law and due process should be denied to a certain group you deem morally unworthy clearly puts you in the category of hopelessly intolerant bigot. You can hide behind your ancient texts and say you're simply stating your faith, but honestly you should know better than to treat your fellow humans this way. If your personal spiritual journey led you to this, I'm sorry but you're simply doing it wrong.
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★fnord★ wrote:
Is and ough fallacies dont develop "truth" or "facts". Your simply stating your opinion that the words coming from your mouth are more trust worthy than others simply because you said so. It is what it is and thats what it is all about. Wat the hell man🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
This isn't a He claims to be a spiritual teacher, a man of the cloth. Well, judge not lest ye be judged. I'm judging Phil and I find him unworthy. I have every right to hold a man to the same standard he would hold others. My opinion, take it or leave it.★fnord★ wrote:
Would it ultimately matter? The thing is that you can't use someone's own morality as a point to@Dark Magician:
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Dont let him make moral statements without demanding the evidence of why morals is a issue. Natural selection dont snow ball effect into law and order. Expose the bankruptcy of his worldviewOjibwe wrote:
My point is back by your statement. I never read in the bible that you should beat a man and his wife. So why should that matter at all when it comes to the mans religious views. I appreciate the support there 👍.🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
If you kick puppies for fun because your religion tells you to do it, I would question the other things your religion is telling you to do.If I kick puppies for fun does that mean my opinion on things unrelated to that topic aren't as valid?
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He's making moral statements based off of his religion. There is no perfection in the flesh. All we as humans can do is try our absolute hardest. Either way my claim still holds up, you can't use a mistake he made that is entirely unrelated to his religion as a standard to judge his moral decisions concerning his religion. Well let me rephrase that, you can by all means do it and no one here can stop you. But it makes your points less valid than that of a small child in my opinion.
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Well i assume as the scripture does as Romans 1:18 these folks are without excuse.He's making moral statements based off of his religion. There is no perfection in the flesh. All we as humans can do is try our absolute hardest. Either way my claim still holds up, you can't use a mistake he made that is entirely unrelated to his religion as a standard to judge his moral decisions concerning his religion. Well let me rephrase that, you can by all means do it and no one here can stop you. But it makes your points less valid than that of a small child in my opinion.
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Your motivations and intentions are irrelevant, your agenda to deny gays equal rights is patently offensive and intolerant. More to the point, it does real damage to people. You damage gay parents in the eyes of their children, you damage gay young people who end up hating themselves and sometimes killing themselves because of the hate you spread. You damage our society and culture and the rule of law. Make no mistake, you are the bad guys in this situation. To claim that I am intolerant for pointing out this fact is laughable. Throughout the book of Matthew, Jesus command you to interpret the scripture in the most compassionate, inclusive and living way possible. You have failed miserably in this regard. I have no problem with Christians, only with spiritually confused people such as yourselves who use Christ to forward a hateful, damaging, and starkly un-Christian agenda. Again, my opinion, take it or leave it.
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Haha so which part of when I said I have no hatred towards anyone I just simply don't support their right for marriage are you incapable of comprehending. You tell me I'm hateful and a bad guy but just like Phil I'm simply stating my beliefs. I don't have hatred towards homosexuals or anyone for that matter. I don't have to hate my neighbor in order to disagree with the fact that he is a nudist. I don't think that's right, I still love the guy but I don't agree with his morals on that topic. I offer you a legitimate rebuttal to your statements and you get flustered and begin to pull out the intolerant/hateful Christian rant. You're incredible, anyone ever told you that?
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Fnord just gave a bunch of examples of how your position is damaging yet you respond with "I'm not hateful." If its not hateful it's at least horribly uncaring. Where's your empathy?
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Do you internally not support these people within yourself and your home/family or do you couple that with going out to vote against their equal rights? That's what separates a person from having an opinion to a person that is harming another's rights with their opinion. It's one thing to disagree. We all disagree with others. It's another to try to legislate another's choices. That's the recipe for intolerance and bigotry.Haha so which part of when I said I have no hatred towards anyone I just simply don't support their right for marriage are you incapable of comprehending. You tell me I'm hateful and a bad...
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★fnord★ wrote:
Its astonishing how you cant see how this absurd comment is not offensive or intolerant of other peoples rights. Please stop disguising yourself behind the the biblical text to support your position and pretend you dont have agendas ok? Lets just say your not a theologian nor bright when concerning laws of logic and move on. You typed all this out in essence to blab your opinion, which is just merely what it is... Your opinion. Move along. Thank bye. Have a nice day.intolerant for pointing out this fact is Christians, only with spiritually confused people such as yourselves who use Christ to forward a hateful, damaging, and starkly un-Christian agenda. Again, my opinion, take it or leave it.
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★Λddi★ wrote:
I don't vote against it, but I offer it no support. It's simply an opinion.🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Do you internally not support these people within yourself and your home/family or do you couple that with going out to vote against their equal rights? That's what separates a person from having an opinion to a person that is harming another's rights with their opinion. It's one thing to disagree. We all disagree with others. It's another to try to legislate another's choices. That's the recipe for intolerance and bigotry.Haha so which part of when I said I have no hatred towards anyone I just simply don't support their right for marriage are you incapable of comprehending. You tell me I'm hateful and a bad...
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Shamelessly using your faith as a vehicle to pass moral judgement on others does not somehow make you immune from criticism. Quite the opposite actually, that is the biblical definition of a hypocrite. This is a public forum. If you want to spread your intolerance without rebuke, do it in church. Again, you ARE damaging people with your agenda whether you intend to or not. At the very least you are giving aid and comfort to those that do. Politics and religion have now largely merged in this country, for better or worse. You and your faith are being used to do real damage to your fellow citizens. Gays damage nothing other than your delicate sensibilities.
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"Agenda" a nice buzzword. But in this case it means equality.
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Ojibwe wrote:
What is damaging about an opinion? I would love to be enlightened.Fnord just gave a bunch of examples of how your position is damaging yet you respond with "I'm not hateful." If its not hateful it's at least horribly uncaring. Where's your empathy?
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☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
What makes intolerance of intolerance/hate/bigotry the greater evil? Why would you think you are allowed to cast a wide net and judge and legislate other people's life choices yet you'd be free of sitting in judgement yourself. What makes you the golden egg? What makes your idea of how others should live more important than my idea that others should be let to live free? Why do you think it's your right to pass laws that seep into people's private homes? Does it help you sleep better at night? How would you feel if someone told you that you could no longer be married to your wife, have children or read your Great Book? Thank God there are people like us that push against people like you. Otherwise we'd still be living in a Puritan state and not a free one. And you wouldn't have the rights that you have due solely to progressivism.★fnord★ wrote:
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Well then good on you. I support you having your opinion. 👍★Λddi★ wrote:
I don't vote against it, but I offer it no support. It's simply an opinion.🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Do you internally not support these people within yourself and your home/family or do you couple that with going out to vote against their equal rights? That's what separates a person from having an opinion to a person that is harming another's rights with their opinion. It's one thing to disagree. We all disagree with others. It's another to try to legislate another's choices. That's the recipe for intolerance and bigotry.Haha so which part of when I said I have no hatred towards anyone I just simply don't support their right for marriage are you incapable of comprehending. You tell me I'm hateful and a bad...
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
I think fnord answered that pretty nicely.Ojibwe wrote:
What is damaging about an opinion? I would love to be enlightened.Fnord just gave a bunch of examples of how your position is damaging yet you respond with "I'm not hateful." If its not hateful it's at least horribly uncaring. Where's your empathy?
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☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
It's no fun looking down the barrel of your own gun, is it? I think I was pretty clear that my opinion carries exactly as much weight as yours does. You apparently think one needs a degree from Liberty University to understand right and wrong. On the contrary, attempting to apply logic to orthodox faith results in a bastardization of both.★fnord★ wrote: ✂️
Its astonishing how you cant see how this absurd comment is not offensive or intolerant of other peoples rights. Please stop disguising yourself behind the the biblical text to support your position and pretend you dont have agendas ok? Lets just say your not a theologian nor bright when concerning laws of logic and move on. You typed all this out in essence to blab your opinion, which is just merely what it is... Your opinion. Move along. Thank bye. Have a nice day. -
☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
The fundamental apologist claims to use logic? That's rich.★fnord★ wrote:
Its astonishing how you cant see how this absurd comment is not offensive or intolerant of other peoples rights. Please stop disguising yourself behind the the biblical text to support your position and pretend you dont have agendas ok? Lets just say your not a theologian nor bright when concerning laws of logic and move on. You typed all this out in essence to blab your opinion, which is just merely what it is... Your opinion. Move along. Thank bye. Have a nice day.intolerant for pointing out this fact is Christians, only with spiritually confused people such as yourselves who use Christ to forward a hateful, damaging, and starkly un-Christian agenda. Again, my opinion, take it or leave it.
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★Λddi★ wrote:
Well yes, i can actually account for it. Can you?☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
The fundamental apologist claims to use logic? That's rich.★fnord★ wrote:
Its astonishing how you cant see how this absurd comment is not offensive or intolerant of other peoples rights. Please stop disguising yourself behind the the biblical text to support your position and typed all this out in essence to blab your opinion, which is just merely what it is... Your opinion. Move along. Thank bye. Have a nice day.intolerant for pointing out this fact is Christians, only with spiritually confused people such as yourselves who use Christ to forward a hateful, damaging, and starkly un-Christian agenda. Again, my opinion, take it or leave it.
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★Λddi★ wrote:
Addi you know God. And you hate Him so.☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
What makes intolerance of intolerance/hate/bigotry the greater evil? Why would you think you are allowed to cast a wide net and judge and legislate other people's life choices yet you'd be free of sitting in judgement yourself. What makes you the golden egg? What makes your idea of how others should live more important than my idea that others should be let to live free? Why do you think it's your right to pass laws that seep into people's private homes? Does it help you sleep better at night? How would you feel if someone told you that you could no longer be married★fnord★ wrote:
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☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
Just curious - do you hear the voice of God?★Λddi★ wrote:
Addi you know God. And you hate Him so.☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
What makes intolerance of intolerance/hate/bigotry the greater evil? Why would you think you are allowed to cast a wide net and judge and legislate other people's life choices yet you'd be free of sitting in judgement yourself. What makes you the golden egg? What makes your idea of how others should live more important than my idea that others should be let to live free? Why do you think it's your right to pass laws that seep into people's private homes? Does it help you sleep better at night? How would you feel if someone told you that you could no longer be married★fnord★ wrote:
This is a very shallow... -
🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote: What is damaging about an opinion? I would love to be enlightened.
Children and young teens read and participate in these forums. Some of them have a gay parent or are struggling with their own sexual identity. Many of them have a Christian background. Does it not damage their family for such a child to hear the opinion from an older Christian, whom they respect, that they or their parents are morally defective? Suicide among gay youth is a serious problem in America. Are you doing God's work if you, merely by expressing your opinion, contribute to a confused child punching their own ticket? I know that's not your intention, but are here expressing your opinion for the same reason I and everyone else is...in the hopes of influencing people to think more like you. It's human nature, no need to deny it. If you truly thought that expressing your opinion wouldn't affect anyone then you wouldn't bother. -
Let's hear it, Augustine. Use your vast theological training to explain (using logic) why homosexuality is immoral. Bonus points for making a logical case that gays should be denied equal protection and due process under the Constitution, i.e the basic human right to be legally joined with the person they love.
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★fnord★ wrote:
This right here is why people won't listen to your side dude. Your just a closed minded, anti-religion fool who thinks only he right. Take a moment to relax before responding you always come off as a dick.Let's hear it, Augustine. Use your vast theological training to explain (using logic) why homosexuality is immoral. Bonus points for making a logical case that gays should be denied equal protection and due process under the Constitution, i.e the basic human right to be legally joined with the person they love.
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☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
This is you I'm talking to not God. You claim to be God or speak for Him now? Using your logical abilities again? What's the matter, couldn't answer any of the questions directly without showing yourself as the bigot that you are?★Λddi★ wrote:
Addi you know God. And you hate Him so.☦ΔUGUSTIΠΣ☦ wrote:
✂️★fnord★ wrote:
This is a very shallow...I love God, and I choose to believe he loves, accepts and supports all of his creations, including his gay children that are indeed born that way. Just because you choose to focus on what you perceive as the fire and brimstone God, does not mean I have to. You don't have to think exactly like the fundie to know and love God nor do you have to buy into the man made perversion we call religion to know him.
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O U 8 1 2 wrote:
Actually I'd be interested in hearing this too. All I ever hear is "because the bible tells me so." That would be understandable if prostitutes, clam eaters, and divorcees were also denied marriage but why are gays the only sinners singled out?★fnord★ wrote:
This right here is why people won't listen to your side dude. Your just a closed minded, anti-religion fool who thinks only he right. Take a moment to relax before responding you always come off as a dick.Let's hear it, Augustine. Use your vast theological training to explain (using logic) why homosexuality is immoral. Bonus points for making a logical case that gays should be denied equal protection and due process under the Constitution, i.e the basic human right to be legally joined with the person they love.
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He claimed to be able to do this just up the page,Ou. What's the problem with asking him to back the statement up? Now we all know blind faith can not be proven, but I'm sure everyone wants to see him try. Also, why is it such blasphemy to ask fundamentalists to be true to their claim of literal interpretation and explain why all the sins within the same paragraph in the bible are no longer recognized as sins? I will never understand that and I would love for someone to acknowledge it when it comes up let alone try to explain why it's now okay for them to wear multi-fabric clothing, grow two crops in the same field, or eat shellfish but it's still not okay to lie with another man. Aren't all sins equal? Or how about that our savior did not speak of it either? How can a fundamentalist stand by literal interpretation if they pick and choose it in the end as well?Aren't the words in red what truly matter if you are indeed a Christian?
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