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Ojibwe wrote:
I'm suggesting less insulting.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
The essence of debate is offense vs. defense. Are you suggesting I don't defend my position so you can "win" even though your arguments are weaker?I suggestive your less defence in your next debate.
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So I'm just going to throw a few things out here \/
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1. Many of the world's governments are spying on their people that they have no business spying on.
2. The constitutional right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness implies that privacy is protected. (That amendment actually originally read life, liberty, and privacy).
3. There is no justification for this spying. Like racial/ethnic profiling, preventative measures are not grounds for discrimination or invasion of privacy. -
⌖🔥Larsioso🔥⌖ wrote:
Neither actions nor words are private property.News flash:
Your government is violating my rights by investigation all my actions on the Internet. They don't steal or seize stuff but they do search through my personal stuff if they monitor everything I write in emails, chats, and by tracking my Internet behavior. I'm no terrorist but it's none of their business what I do.
If companies do this stuff we curse at them for these trackers, mall ware and stuff but now I see a lot of guys defending this bull crap. So now it's okay to be guilty until proven innocent? You can never guarantee 100% security. And people who say they have no secrets; you wouldn't mind if a guy watches over the fence when you're taking a leak in the urinal? Btw what's your password Tweek?Come one... Seriously?
I don't care how much the gov't "watches" me. I'm boring as fuck.
Now, go read what exactly they monitored and shut the fuck up.
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ninjagangstah wrote:
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, comes from The Declaration of Independence. Not the US Constitution, there is no Amendment to the Constitution that uses that language.2. The constitutional right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness implies that privacy is protected. (That amendment actually originally read life, liberty, and privacy).
Also the phrasing is an adaptation of Locke's "Two Treatises on Goverment," where he argued government existed to protect "life, liberty, and estate." You can substitute estate for property. Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams worked on the specific language used in the Declartation and substituted "pursuit of happiness" for the "estate."
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Tweek wrote:
Instead of some dumbass remark maybe you could actually provide some insight to the matter, prick.⌖🔥Larsioso🔥⌖ wrote:
Neither actions nor words are private property.News flash:
Your government is violating my rights by investigation all my actions on the Internet. They don't steal or seize stuff but they do search through my personal stuff if they monitor everything I write in emails, chats, and by tracking my Internet... Btw what's your password Tweek?
Come one... Seriously?
I don't care how much the gov't "watches" me. I'm boring as fuck.
Now, go read what exactly they monitored and shut the fuck up.
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Now back to the alleged antics. If anybody is up to antics it is Snowden. In January he was unemployed, in March he is hired by Booze Allen, he immediately begins downloading tons of classified material. There is evidence Snowden corresponded with at least one journalist before he began to download the classified material. Snowden flees to Hong Kong, where he feels he will be beyond the reach of American justice, before releasing the classified materials.
As for what the US Gov was doing, the surveillance programs were approved by Congress. Congress was briefed, in classified and unclassified hearings on the scope of, and need for continuing surveillance.
These surveillance activities should only have surprised the painfully ignorant. There was much debate about the appropriateness of, and safeguards put in place around them going back to 2003.
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I'm just going to back out here because I made so many technical errors in my argument. It was early in the morning and I really botched it up :P
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ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
This.Now back to the alleged antics. If anybody is up to antics it is Snowden. In January he was unemployed, in March he is hired by Booze Allen, he immediately begins downloading tons of classified material. There is evidence Snowden corresponded with at least one journalist before he began to download the classified material. Snowden flees to Hong Kong, where he feels he will be beyond the reach of American justice, before releasing the classified materials.
As for what the US Gov was doing, the surveillance programs were approved by Congress. Congress was briefed, in classified and unclassified hearings on the scope of, and need for continuing surveillance.
These surveillance activities should only have surprised the painfully ignorant. There was much debate about the appropriateness of, and safeguards put in place around them going back to 2003.
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Again, my remark stands. Until you read what he leaked, shut the fuck up.
If you think they were monitoring your phone class, you are wrong.
Speaking ignorantly only reinforces ignorance in others.
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Tweek wrote:
Tell us all knowing Tweek. Since everyone who has a different opinion than yours should shut the fuck up, please, enlighten us.Again, my remark stands. Until you read what he leaked, shut the fuck up.
If you think they were monitoring your phone class, you are wrong.
Speaking ignorantly only reinforces ignorance in others.
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People, you are breaking worldwide forum rule #1.. "Don't feed the Trolls". Yan has his opinions, as uninformed and fantasy-filled as they may be (see the "chances are other countries don't spy on the US" for proof of this) he can spout them. I'm not sure the monitored internet that he is reading from contains all the stories, just the ones he is allowed to read by his overseers.
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Tweek wrote:
The Supreme Court has already held that things such as phone conversations are protected.🏃꓄rձυꍌ٤ɼلఠꍌꍌ٤ɼ wrote:
Wong. No personal property was searched or seized.Tweek wrote:
Actually, I believe it's the 4th amendment that prohibits unreasonable search & seizure. Thats where our privacy is protected.For the record, there is no constitutional right to privacy.
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❎❎~REVENGE~❎❎ wrote:
Phone conversations weren't recorded.Tweek wrote:
The Supreme Court has already held that things such as phone conversations are protected.🏃꓄rձυꍌ٤ɼلఠꍌꍌ٤ɼ wrote:
Wong. No personal property was searched or seized.Tweek wrote:
Actually, I believe it's the 4th amendment that prohibits unreasonable search & seizure. Thats where our privacy is protected.For the record, there is no constitutional right to privacy.
Go learn something. This is the ignorant shit I was talking about.
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★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote:
Do your own damn research. The materials he leaked is available for the world to see.Tweek wrote:
Tell us all knowing Tweek. Since everyone who has a different opinion than yours should shut the fuck up, please, enlighten us.Again, my remark stands. Until you read what he leaked, shut the fuck up.
If you think they were monitoring your phone class, you are wrong.
Speaking ignorantly only reinforces ignorance in others.
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You want a real world example of something like this?
When I was in Kandahar, we would occasionally collect data. There was a specific way that we had to do this.
One of the members in my platoon found the OPORD laying around somewhere it shouldn't have been, and they read it. After reading it, they determined that that particular mission was "too dangerous" and leaked every detail about it in order to prevent us from performing that particular mission.
This not only caused that particular mission to be completely halted, but also caused the insurgents to change their methods of communication so that we couldn't collect it.
That example undoubtedly cost the lives of Americans, just as snowdens leak will.
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I don't really think people realize what this program is doing. Just because they spy on where the phone call was made, who it was to, and the duration of the report, some people say "who cares, it's just data". Imagine this.
I am an average American citizen. I have a phone that is regestered in California but is used in a specific location In Texas. Everyday I start to create data on my phone, like most Americans, when I drive to work. Using this the government now knows where I live, what time I go to work, and where I work. Every Tuesday I stop by the bank. The government now know knows where I keep my money. Every Thursday I stop by the gym, and I usually make calls while I'm there, or on the way there. A lot of my calls go to another phone, which usually makes calls in the location that I live. They can assume that I am living with someone or am married. Once a month I go to the doctors office. He usually calls a week before. -
The government now knows who my doctor is, by tracing from where the call is originated and what kind if doctor is this. Now lets say the government has a data base if every single American phone record. Pluging this into a program will allow the program to track Us. The more data we create the more data it has. Overtime this program will be able to roughly predict what we do, and what were planing to do, even before we make the move. Scary isn't it?
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🔥⌖ Viper ⌖🔥 wrote:
All Hail The Overseer! For he protects and guides us!People, you are breaking worldwide forum rule #1.. "Don't feed the Trolls". Yan has his opinions, as uninformed and fantasy-filled as they may be (see the "chances are other countries don't spy on the US" for proof of this) he can spout them. I'm not sure the monitored internet that he is reading from contains all the stories, just the ones he is allowed to read by his overseers.
And don't call me Yan.
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Careful, they're watching. 🍃🍃👀🍃🍃
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🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
Out of the numberous absurd things ive read from you, this perhaps is one issue i agree with you. Well the truth is, America has been doing this before the 80s. Dawn of a New Age. Welcome home to the Nanny state. 🔥🔥🔥🔥Well, good old 🇺🇸America🇺🇸 have pleasantly spied on close friends recently... Germany and France seem pretty pissed, and they also apparently illegally spying on it's own citizens here.
Awesome, nice smell of 🇺🇸🇺🇸Freedom🇺🇸🇺🇸 in the air right now.
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Their spying didn't stop Boston. Their spying hasn't really done anything. So everyone saying that it is to save innocent lives. Give an example of a time it's actually worked.
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Add: KOZY wrote:
I'm done arguing.Their spying didn't stop Boston. Their spying hasn't really done anything. So everyone saying that it is to save innocent lives. Give an example of a time it's actually worked.
Go learn.
You have the tools and examples at your fingertips.
You don't even fucking know what they collected, how the fuck can you assume that it stopped nothing.
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Tweek wrote:
Meta data. I know what they collected. I've done my research. They haven't stopped shit.Add: KOZY wrote:
I'm done arguing.Their spying didn't stop Boston. Their spying hasn't really done anything. So everyone saying that it is to save innocent lives. Give an example of a time it's actually worked.
Go learn.
You have the tools and examples at your fingertips.
You don't even fucking know what they collected, how the fuck can you assume that it stopped nothing.
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There are two types of people in regards to this issue.
1. There are those who know what was leaked and understand the negative consequences of that leak. Those are the ones who do not support it.
2. Those who know nothing about national security. Those are the ones who are hailing this man as a hero, choosing to be ignorant to the fact that his actions put lives at risk.
If you don't like our gov't, then move away. Do so without spreading your ignorance.
I don't hate any of you, I hate that you refuse to learn.
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Deputy FBI Director Sean Joyce said the Web traffic program had contributed to arrests averting a plot to bomb the New York Stock Exchange that resulted in criminal charges in 2008.
Joyce also indicated that the PRISM program was essential to disrupting a plot to bomb the New York City subways in 2009. “Without the [Section] 702 tool, we would not have identified Najibullah Zazi,” Joyce said.
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Recently leaked communication surveillance programs have helped thwart more than 50 “potential terrorist events” around the world since the Sept. 11 attacks, National Security Agency Director Keith Alexander said Tuesday.
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Tweek wrote:
In my ignorance I missed something. Mind giving me a one paragraph run down of this guy and what he did?Do you people even understand what he leaked?
NEWSFLASH:
Governments need some secrets. There is a reason why some things are classified.
Now, if someone has an example of how the government violated your rights, then present it, keeping in mind that no personal property was stolen, searched, or seized.
Considering that, is what he revealed worth the lives of innocent people?
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@mr gag - In that scenario, the person needs to vary their routine. Being that predictable makes him an easy target for being robbed. However, you wouldn't need a computer program to predict what routine the person will follow, lol. As for predicting behavior, not likely.
There's much easier ways of figuring out if someone is married or living with someone. The IRS already has info about where you live & work, assuming you pay your taxes. Your driver's license typically lists where you live too. Do you get paper copies of bills? If you throw them out, people can learn all kinds of stuff by going through your trash. Not just bills either - receipts, etc. Ever drink from a can & throw it away, throw out cigarette butts, etc.? Oh, now they can get your DNA.
Why would the government care where Joe Schmo (who has never raised any red flags) lives, works, banks, & makes phone calls? How many people would they need to employ to try & keep track of that info from every person? Lol.
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The thought of the government "spying" on me might have bothered me when I was younger. I'm too old & boring to be bothered by the thought of it now.
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