Missouri stand up and fight house bill 545
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Don't get me wrong I just think that would be scary knowing for sure one of my teachers had a gun. We should keep the guns just get rid of dumb people who choose to shoot innocent people with the guns. Simple
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Why don't they just make murder illegal? Wouldn't that make more sense? Oh, it is illegal? And criminals don't follow the laws? Shocking! So disarming honest citizens helps who?
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Fnord, you deleted your pos before I could quote, but I was going to say it sounds like we're now arguing semantics. I had a problem with you telling undertow he was "wrong on both counts" when he stated that the Bill of Rights does not grant rights, it merely lists them. And it does, it enumerates rights (but not all rights). 9th Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood. – John Adams, 1765
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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
My quote above is completely accurate. Enumerate simply means to list. I never said the Bill of Rights grants rights. Where I disagreed with undertow was where he said it "recognizes" or establishes the inalienable rights of the people. Like I said, it limits the ability of the government to infringe on our inalienable rights. Hence the words "shall not be infringed" (by the government) in reference to action or inaction of the government and not the people. Agreed, semantics.★fnord★ wrote:
Actually Undertow is correct. ✂The Bill of Rights does not "grant" rights, it enumerates them. That's a major distinction. ✂Wrong on both counts. The bill of rights limits the ability of the government to infringe on the rights of the people. ✂
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🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote:
Good logical idea.ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
👆🔥SirTalkALot🔥 wrote:
I am in favor of better care for the mentally ill. Background checks.The banning the assult rifle is the only logical step we can take.
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"the only logical step is to ban assault weapons"? how about allowing teachers to carry concealed in the classroom, if they choose to.
But instead of training unwilling teachers, have an armed guard in every classroom.
But that's expensive.
So instead, install a CCTV in every room, to monitor activity.
But that only helps after the act, and not necessarily reliably.
So to monitor the mental health of the populace, a camera would need to be placed in every home, street and work place, and a daily work out could be helpful.
A way of releasing aggression could also be useful, a Hate Week, perhaps...
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The word "enumerated" is used to describe the Enumerated Powers of the government under Article I, Section 8. The word enumerated is used because it is a limited and defined list of powers. The word enumerated is not used in reference to the Bill of Rights because it is not a defined list of government powers, but rather a limit on those powers.
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YOU wrote:
Maybe it's the lack of knowledge or fear of the unknown that fuels the left into these political tantrums to force everyone through the square slot that they have picked.Why do some people think that making a "new" law will solve a problem verses enforcing the ones that already exist. Is it the scense that "new" laws are some kind of accomplishment? Or is it part of an overall agenda to little by little boil the frog?
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[Add:Baz]Boffer wrote:
Well, I found that of the teachers who carry concealed "if they choose to", very few were "unwilling". I am very interested in your suggestion for a national Hate Week though 👍🌾ᏦᎻᎪᏞ🌾 wrote: 👆
Good logical idea.
"the only logical step is to ban assault weapons"? how about allowing teachers to carry concealed in the classroom, if they choose to.
But instead of training unwilling teachers, have an armed guard in every classroom.
But that's expensive.
So instead, install a CCTV in every room, to monitor activity.
But that only helps after the act, and not necessarily reliably.
So to monitor the mental health of the populace, a camera would need to be placed in every home, street and work place, and a daily work out could be helpful.
A way of releasing aggression could also be useful, a Hate Week, perhaps...
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As a teacher, I am not opposed to conceal carry in the classroom. However, to be allowed to do so, we would need far more extensive training than just the CHL class and regular background checks.
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The people in there passing the bills are a little ignorant. Both assault AND machine pistoles are legal. Take away the semi automatic assault rifles and people are gonna turn to sub-machine guns (machine pistoles) which most can be switched between automatic or semi.
Most mass murders are taken within close range meaning the difference between an assualt rifle, submachine gun or pistols don't vary in the damage they do. Just ammo capacities.
Banning assualt rifles will not hamper deaths in the United States in my opinion. Deaths and gun crimes won't go down either.
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mathamatics wrote:
Excellent answer, although I'm guessing your average street thug doesn't have overseas gun connections. Where else do criminals get guns from?★fnord★ wrote: Where do criminals get guns from?
well they could ship it in from out of u.s. -
★fnord★ wrote:
Or our own government could dump them on the market as seen in fast in furious.mathamatics wrote:
Excellent answer, although I'm guessing your average street thug doesn't have overseas gun connections. Where else do criminals get guns from?★fnord★ wrote: Where do criminals get guns from?
well they could ship it in from out of u.s. -
★fnord★ wrote:
Where do they get drugs from?mathamatics wrote:
Excellent answer, although I'm guessing your average street thug doesn't have overseas gun connections. Where else do criminals get guns from?★fnord★ wrote: Where do criminals get guns from?
well they could ship it in from out of u.s. -
Ùℵɖḝཞ Ʈʘώ wrote:
They could do what I did and go to Walmart★fnord★ wrote:
Or our own government could dump them on the market as seen in fast in furious.mathamatics wrote:
Excellent answer, although I'm guessing your average street thug doesn't have overseas gun connections. Where else do criminals get guns from?★fnord★ wrote: Where do criminals get guns from?
well they could ship it in from out of u.s. -
People talk about enforcing our existing laws. My point is that if I wanted to get an AR-15 with no waiting period and no criminal background check, I would go here:
www.armslist.com
Does it really need to be that easy for criminals to get guns from presumably legal gun owners? Obviously we need at least a couple new laws... -
★fnord★ wrote:
Thank you for the new site!!! You must have agreed to the terms that are immediately posted before you can use the service. I guess people shouldn't be held responsible for thier actions, is that what you are saying? If someone committs a crime it isn't thier fault it's the fault of everyone else huh? No personal responsibility?People talk about enforcing our existing laws. My point is that if I wanted to get an AR-15 with no waiting period and no criminal background check, I would go here:
www.armslist.com
Does it really need to be that easy for criminals to get guns from presumably legal gun owners? Obviously we need at least a couple new laws... -
Gotta love how many people share thier strong opinions on the topic when they are not effected by it. (live in Australia, europe or are under age).
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If there's anywhere other than school you are not allowed to carry a gun then it's a state law
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Ùℵɖḝཞ Ʈʘώ wrote:
You would naively trust criminals to obey the law rather than taking some simple steps to ensure they do? Try out your new site. Find the most destructive piece of hardware you can and call the number. Ask the seller if they care about a background check. Not terribly responsible of that person to sell to any swinging dick with a bankroll, is it? Meanwhile laws requiring background checks for private party sales are passing all over the country as we speak, even in red states.★fnord★ wrote:
Thank you for the new site!!! You must have agreed to the terms that are immediately posted before you can use the service. I guess people shouldn't be held responsible for thier actions, is that what you are saying? If someone committs a crime it isn't thier fault it's the fault of everyone else huh? No personal responsibility?www.armslist.com
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/
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mathematics. Look up the brady handgun violence prevention act, a FEDERAL law.
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★fnord★ wrote:
I would naively trust a law abiding citizen.Ùℵɖḝཞ Ʈʘώ wrote:
You would naively trust criminals to obey the law rather than taking some simple steps to ensure they do? Try out your new site.★fnord★ wrote:
If someone committs a crime it isn't thier fault it's the fault of everyone else huh? No personal responsibility?www.armslist.com
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★Λubergine★ wrote:
You mean the one that starts background checksmathematics. Look up the brady handgun violence prevention act, a FEDERAL law.
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mathamatics wrote:
The one that says you have to be 21 to own a handgun.★Λubergine★ wrote:
You mean the one that starts background checksmathematics. Look up the brady handgun violence prevention act, a FEDERAL law.
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★Λubergine★ wrote:
Time for basic math is 21>18mathamatics wrote:
The one that says you have to be 21 to own a handgun.★Λubergine★ wrote:
You mean the one that starts background checksmathematics. Look up the brady handgun violence prevention act, a FEDERAL law.
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mathamatics wrote:
"Everyone over 18 can own and carry a gun whenever they choose and anywhere but school" -mathematics★Λubergine★ wrote:
Time for basic math is 21>18mathamatics wrote:
The one that says you have to be 21 to own a handgun.★Λubergine★ wrote:
You mean the one that starts background checksmathematics. Look up the brady handgun violence prevention act, a FEDERAL law.
21 is higher than 18. Time for basic logic. 19 is over 18. 20 is over 18. Neither is the age at which you may own and carry a pistol. -
Oh so what aubergine ha been thinking is that I meant it would be easy nonono anyone can but must get the proper lisence in order to do so. A long process but yes possible for anyone
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★Λubergine★ wrote:
The first quote once again previously explained about rifles the second... For the sake of arguingmathamatics wrote:
"Everyone over 18 can own and carry a gun whenever they choose and anywhere but school" -mathematics★Λubergine★ wrote:
Time for basic math is 21>18mathamatics wrote:
The one that says you have to be 21 to own a handgun.★Λubergine★ wrote:
You mean the one that starts background checksmathematics. Look up the brady handgun violence prevention act, a FEDERAL law.
21 is higher than 18. Time for basic logic. 19 is over 18. 20 is over 18. Neither is the age at which you may own and carry a pistol. -
mathamatics wrote:
No. I didn't think that. In case you didn't know, people can carry firearms into schools, as well. Given the proper authorizations, of course.Oh so what aubergine ha been thinking is that I meant it would be easy nonono anyone can but must get the proper lisence in order to do so. A long process but yes possible for anyone
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