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Washington was a good president primarily because he didn't want to be the president. He never wanted the power to begin with, so when he was persuaded to take office, he wasn't distracted by the power. FDR and his New Deal policies were great at getting us out of a depression, but not that great long-term. It left many poor people in the hole. Reagan's budget was alright, except for his superfluous military spending. Although, this strong military he paid for at least gave the US citizens something tangible to rally behind. Clinton was a decent president, but as mentioned earlier, his policies wrecked the real estate market. When he let people "buy" houses at such a low cost with money from the Federal Reserve, then hit them with the payments several years later, the housing economy went into a tailspin. Just to reign in some undue praise to some good presidents.
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Thumbs Riley wrote:
They would fail if Obama would stop bailing them out of the hole.The financial crises are an example of corporate socialism at its worst, where the financial benefits are privatized but the risks are socialized. There is no way for the bankers to lose in that scenario. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have learned a whole lot, as our financial system is still dominated by "too big to fail" companies and I haven't heard of any moves to split them down to a size where one could fail (as they should be allowed to do in a properly functioning capitalist society) without disastrous consequences.
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I like George Washington... He's always been kinda a big deal to me.
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Silent Arcani wrote:
Why Ford? That's an unconventional choice.FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, Gerald Ford, Lincoln, and (please don't kill me) Obama.
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E=MC(Hammer) wrote:
They would fail if Obama would stop bailing them out of the hole.
True, but I for one am glad we got out of this with just a recession and not a depression, which almost certainly would have happened if Obama had let the financial markets implode. I am worried that we don't seem to be working harder to stop the next crisis from happening, though.
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Jack Aubrey wrote:
Too much gridlock with Congress is the problem. Bohner needs to compromise with Obama more.E=MC(Hammer) wrote:
They would fail if Obama would stop bailing them out of the hole.
True, but I for one am glad we got out of this with just a recession and not a depression, which almost certainly would have happened if Obama had let the financial markets implode. I am worried that we don't seem to be working harder to stop the next crisis from happening, though.
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Trauger Jogger wrote:
Takes two to tango. I'm not saying that either share more or less blame than the other, I'm merely stating that this tug-of-war is being done the good ole southern way. In the mud.Jack Aubrey wrote:
Too much gridlock with Congress is the problem. Bohner needs to compromise with Obama more.E=MC(Hammer) wrote:
They would fail if Obama would stop bailing them out of the hole.
True, but I for one am glad we got out of this with just a recession and not a depression, which almost certainly would have happened if Obama had let the financial markets implode. I am worried that we don't seem to be working harder to stop the next crisis from happening, though.
Although I do agree that congress needs to learn to compromise a little more. -
Jack Aubrey wrote:
Bush bailed the banks out.E=MC(Hammer) wrote:
They would fail if Obama would stop bailing them out of the hole.
True, but I for one am glad we got out of this with just a recession and not a depression, which almost certainly would have happened if Obama had let the financial markets implode. I am worried that we don't seem to be working harder to stop the next crisis from happening, though.
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pistolpetel wrote:
Yes, bush started it. But Obama has been enacting the same failed strategies and expects them to work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. Until he stops bailing out every semi-large corporation that comes crying, we could be well on our way to recession round two.Jack Aubrey wrote:
Bush bailed the banks out.E=MC(Hammer) wrote:
They would fail if Obama would stop bailing them out of the hole.
True, but I for one am glad we got out of this with just a recession and not a depression, which almost certainly would have happened if Obama had let the financial markets implode. I am worried that we don't seem to be working harder to stop the next crisis from happening, though.
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Franklin DELANO Roosevelt. my Nixon comment was a joke.
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Tweek wrote:
Mr. Vinni wrote:
I am neither republican nor democrat. I liked Bush and I like Obama. That being said, I love it when people who are not even one third as smart as Bush try to insult his intelligence. He didn't dislike you, so why would you dislike him?
Maybe because I wasn't the worst President in US history, I didn't trample on due process, I didn't start a pre-emptive war based on lies. However, Bush did. -
jimmy big-balls wrote:
Ok, I don't know who said what here, but how would you have reacted if some terrorist group flew 2 planes into two of your towers and killed over 3000 citizens of the country you are supposed to run? I think it is widely accepted that although bush has some stains on his presidency, his reaction to 9/11 was not one of them. And how did he trample on due process?Tweek wrote:
Mr. Vinni wrote:
I am neither republican nor democrat. I liked Bush and I like Obama. That being said, I love it when people who are not even one third as smart as Bush try to insult his intelligence. He didn't dislike you, so why would you dislike him?
Maybe because I wasn't the worst President in US history, I didn't trample on due process, I didn't start a pre-emptive war based on lies. However, Bush did. -
Just on a random note, George Washington had more slaves than a motherf**ker. Just something that popped into my head.
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I believe Tweek is referring to the invasion of Iraq, which was in no way involved with the Al Queda attacks. Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who certainly deserved to be removed, but jeez, couldn't we have finished one war (the one that was justified by the 9/11 attacks) before starting the next one?
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And as far as due process is concerned, the detention of prisoners without charges for years certainly qualifies. While I'm certain he (and Obama) had very good reasons for doing so, it's hard to deny that it is a dangerous erosion of civil liberties.
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⚡🏀ʟєցi†ßɑʟʟєʀ🏀⚡ wrote:
Lincoln was a corrupt tyrant. The only thing he's known or is for pushing the 13th through. And he didn't even do that, the congresssmen did.ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Lol clone bashing republicans like usual... Even when he knows Reagan was the second best republican president ever (Lincoln)Dirty Balls wrote:
ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Clinton actually set the wheels in motion that caused the real estate bubble and crash. Primarily, legislation that created the subprime mortgage market.From what I understand Reagan kicked off the economic downfall leading to the recession according to my 8th grade american history book. Reaganomics would've worked, however massive military spending started us down a path where we are today, although for a time saved by Clinton, of course.
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Jack Aubrey wrote:
One reason why I like him is because he is from my home city and is buried here. But the main reason is that although he was criticized at the time for it, his pardon of Nixon helped the nation heal after a betrayal on a scale that massive.Silent Arcani wrote:
Why Ford? That's an unconventional choice.FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, Gerald Ford, Lincoln, and (please don't kill me) Obama.
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LOL this thread.
Also, please don't complain about any of the wars unless you've been in them. That is all.
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What I'm saying is, I find it to be insulting and ignorant when I hear someone who never saw combat try to explain why they don't like the wars.
I can say with absolute certainty that I made a positive difference in the lives of those in the area in which I deployed. If that isn't good enough for you, then stop paying your taxes.
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ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Lincoln was a corrupt tyrant. The only thing he's known or is for pushing the 13th through. And he didn't even do that, the congresssmen did.
Corrupt? Where's the evidence of personal gain? -
As far left winged as I am, I believe Dwight Eisenhower is underrated. Super high tax rates for the richest, proper military spending (but it wasn't his priority & there wasn't excessive spending for this) and the highways were built. He also believed in defending labor laws & food stamps, etc. today he might even be seen as a moderate Democrat.
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Tweek wrote:
I am certain you did make a positive difference, and I understand your feelings about criticisms from people who didn't see action. But I don't think we can just not think about whether the results were worth all the money spent, not to mention the lives lost. The US can't (and shouldn't) do everything. We have to prioritize.What I'm saying is, I find it to be insulting and ignorant when I hear someone who never saw combat try to explain why they don't like the wars.
I can say with absolute certainty that I made a positive difference in the lives of those in the area in which I deployed. If that isn't good enough for you, then stop paying your taxes.
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Trauger Jogger wrote:
👍As far left winged as I am, I believe Dwight Eisenhower is underrated. Super high tax rates for the richest, proper military spending (but it wasn't his priority & there wasn't excessive spending for this) and the highways were built. He also believed in defending labor laws & food stamps, etc. today he might even be seen as a moderate Democrat.
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Thumbs Riley wrote:
Corrupt doesn't mean personal gain.ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Lincoln was a corrupt tyrant. The only thing he's known or is for pushing the 13th through. And he didn't even do that, the congresssmen did.
Corrupt? Where's the evidence of personal gain? -
Definitely John Adams, for different reasons. And for you saying FDR, I think you should go back and read something about the New Deal other than high school textbooks. The New Deal was not as great as many think, especially considering how so much of it just went to draw out the depression longer. Mobilization for WWII got us out, not the New Deal. (Though, don't get me wrong, parts of the new deal were very effective, but not enough and not fast enough)
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Reagan
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ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Umm tyrant? Corrupt? Those words shouldn't be even in the same paragraph as Lincoln. He did what no other american president would have the gutts to do. also most would not have the ability to do what he did execpt for maybe George Washington. Crazy democrats, crazy republicans, and everyone inbetween knows this to be a fact.Thumbs Riley wrote:
Corrupt doesn't mean personal gain.ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Lincoln was a corrupt tyrant. The only thing he's known or is for pushing the 13th through. And he didn't even do that, the congresssmen did.
Corrupt? Where's the evidence of personal gain? -
ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Please define your terms then.Thumbs Riley wrote:
Corrupt doesn't mean personal gain.ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Lincoln was a corrupt tyrant. The only thing he's known or is for pushing the 13th through. And he didn't even do that, the congresssmen did.
Corrupt? Where's the evidence of personal gain? -
⚡🏀ʟєցi†ßɑʟʟєʀ🏀⚡ wrote:
Martial law on the south (I agree it was correct that he did this though)ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Thumbs Riley wrote:
Corrupt doesn't mean personal gain.ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ wrote:
Making a decision he knew would cause an uproar and even a war. Many presidents before him made compromises. Lincoln's reckless decision cost the lives of I believe 600,000 men. And he also made black people free, not equal. I also think I heard somewhere his original plan was to send the blacks away. And the phrase honest Abe was used sarcastically. -
Lincoln felt it was his Constitutional duty as president to preserve the union. He bent the very Constitution he swore to uphold to reach that end of preservation. Surely he felt the boarder states would swing to the CSA changing if he didn't placate them into not leaving. He would had done anything to keep the union together. But his decision cost the lives over over 600,000 people.
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